Best Streetable Turbo

[SoCaliEclipse]

I absolutely LOVE my 20G. I dont have full supporting mods yet, and it still pulls pretty hard at 12psi. It spools by about 3200 so its not that laggy at all, I dont know what a lot of people are talking about when they say its laggy. I do have a TDO5h exhaust side, so that really helps with the spool. I would recommend the same for you especially if you are A/T. I might upgrade to the TDO6H if I want MAD topend power, but even now, its pretty impressive for just bolting it up and turing the boost down ...hehe...
PM me if you want more info about it

Brian

 

[Tattooedeclipse]

hey guys my buddy just ran a 7.22 at 100mph in the 8th ... with an awd 2g with full interior and stock cams ... and he has a green .... tuned at 30 POUNDS ... morons .. you all dont know much about dsms much less the green turbo... so laugh all you want you can tune them too 32 lbs on c16 not a problem.... im not scared of blowing one up .... turbos brake and thats that.. . might as well get all you can out of it ...

 

[RipperXX]

i didn't read much of this thread so i dont know if this turbo was brought up or not but aren't you guys forgeting about the SBR GT-12?? it seems like a GREAT turbo to me, although im gona have to save a while to get one *cry* but it's what im geting for my daily driver

 

[NDgsx]

Originally posted by Tattooedeclipse
hey guys my buddy just ran a 7.22 at 100mph in the 8th ... with an awd 2g with full interior and stock cams ... and he has a green .... tuned at 30 POUNDS ... morons .. you all dont know much about dsms much less the green turbo... so laugh all you want you can tune them too 32 lbs on c16 not a problem.... im not scared of blowing one up .... turbos brake and thats that.. . might as well get all you can out of it ...

You are completely clueless. They're talking about compressor efficency, ever heard of a compressor map? Well you should read one and plot the points for a dsm running 30psi on a 50 trim map, then figure out how many lbs of air (NOT POUNDS of BOOST, lbs of air, ie with temperature compensation to figure out VOLUME). You'll find that the turbo will most likely be flowing a larger volume of air, which will actually make more power, when tuned properly.
It has nothing to do with "blowing one up" it has to do with making more power.
Actually Blitz has (assuming that's Doug like I think) has a green and does know what he's talking about. DSSA is Josh at Conicelli, he's forgot more about DSMs in that last 5 minutes than you'll know in your entire life.

Oh yeah and who is your "buddy" and where is his timeslip? Nobody cares if you type a number into a keyboard.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Originally posted by Mitsu88_4g63T


you have to look at the setup. if you have very little work done to your car performance wise and you slap on a small vs a big 16... most likely there isn't a doubt the small 16g will pull better #'s. ( Also were ya getting these #'s is it fwd or awd? does the car have suspension mods or anything else )

Spool time is less and over all for the small, its ranged for low speeds. The big can contest a little more with higher rpms and mph. Moreover the big 16g responds way better to mods like a full exhaust and more fuel.... get a FMIC on their with some good air intake mods. However don't they both.

All in all the big 16 just carries longer but if your job is to tune your car a little and run like mid to low 13's consistently.... get a small. ( look at slow boy racings 91 Talon, they have a small 16... very nice times from that ) I really like them both, but IMHO just go with a Super 20g. Sure not really streetable... but there is a huge fun factor above and beyond the 4500 RPM range


anyways....

True true but If i wanted to have fun over 4500 rpms I would have stayed with my old honda. The 20g is a great turbo just not my style.

 

[DSSA]

Originally posted by DSMeclipse4G63


True true but If i wanted to have fun over 4500 rpms I would have stayed with my old honda. The 20g is a great turbo just not my style.

Actually, a well setup TD06/TD05 20G will spool as quicky (in some cases more quickly) than a stock car with a 14B will. Whenever I drive a customer's car with a 20G I'm always surprised at how the boost seems almost like it's on an on/off switch. Granted, you'll need more supporting mods (externals are not *required* with this setup, but I prefer them over an increased diameter flapper) but the overall benefits are there as well.

I personally love a 20G car as a daily-commuter. However, with all of the options out there that share the spooling/top-end charecteristics of the 20G, you're no longer limited to this.

What are your overall goals with the car?

 

[DCJ98GST]

SoCaliEclipse,

That is some pretty quick spool with the 20G do you have the TD05 turbine clipped at all?

 

[GSX4LIFE]

Originally posted by DSSA


Actually, a well setup TD06/TD05 20G will spool as quicky (in some cases more quickly) than a stock car with a 14B will. Whenever I drive a customer's car with a 20G I'm always surprised at how the boost seems almost like it's on an on/off switch. Granted, you'll need more supporting mods (externals are not *required* with this setup, but I prefer them over an increased diameter flapper) but the overall benefits are there as well.

I personally love a 20G car as a daily-commuter. However, with all of the options out there that share the spooling/top-end charecteristics of the 20G, you're no longer limited to this.

What are your overall goals with the car?

Hey Josh, I didnt know this was you:laugh: Hope you, and Nate showed Ben a good time couple weeks ago Anyway, This is absolutely correct. I have seen 20gs that spooled so quickly, it was amaizing. But, if your heart is set on a 20G(which I am seeing many still are), then a 50trim bolt on offered by PTE would also be one to consider. Personally, I like going wiht really big turbos. This is not the best route to take. Its always best to have a goal, and go with the smallest turbo capable of that goal.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Originally posted by DSSA


Actually, a well setup TD06/TD05 20G will spool as quicky (in some cases more quickly) than a stock car with a 14B will. Whenever I drive a customer's car with a 20G I'm always surprised at how the boost seems almost like it's on an on/off switch. Granted, you'll need more supporting mods (externals are not *required* with this setup, but I prefer them over an increased diameter flapper) but the overall benefits are there as well.

I personally love a 20G car as a daily-commuter. However, with all of the options out there that share the spooling/top-end charecteristics of the 20G, you're no longer limited to this.

What are your overall goals with the car?

Well you proved me wrong... thats nice though for a quick spool. I would love to see a 20g in action!!! If yours spools up like that thewn great. I would just like something like the big t28 killer to keep my low end torque. How hard does it hit at low end?

 

[RipperXX]

you guys know the SBR Gt-12 on a car that setup for it correctly can reach full boost around 3600-3900rpm right? (asumeing that full boost is in the 20-25psi range) more than that and i duno what rpm it would be at when it's at full.. but thats faster than the 20G and acording to Mike Humel/Humle (not sure) it starts makeing boost instantly with a nice steady pull.

 

[1PHAT99]

Ripper, I've heard nothing but good things about Mike's products. I just ordered his SBR GT-11.

~B

 

[DSSA]

Originally posted by RipperXX
you guys know the SBR Gt-12 on a car that setup for it correctly can reach full boost around 3600-3900rpm right? (asumeing that full boost is in the 20-25psi range) more than that and i duno what rpm it would be at when it's at full.. but thats faster than the 20G and acording to Mike Humel/Humle (not sure) it starts makeing boost instantly with a nice steady pull.

3600-3900 isn't faster than what can be had with a 20G. Damn close, but nothing I would consider "faster".

The end result is that turbos are like stereo equipment. You can buy "the best" but how it performs is relative to how you utilize it. I've seen turbos that spool at 4300 rpms on one car, and the same turbo spool almost 1000 rpms sooner on another car---it's all in the setup.

3600-3900 rpms isn't "quick spooling" neccesarily when you take into account that a T-61 (o-trim, .58 housing) has spooled to 25 psi + by 4200-4300 rpms.

When you're making power, those 400-800 rpms go by faster than you can imagine.

Back when I got into DSMs, a 20G was considered a "race-only" turbo. The guy who got me into them tried to persuade me from going 20G as my 1st turbo upgrade. I refused to listen to him, and set the car up as well as I could at the time. The car ended up having minimal lag and ran 12.2s with crappy tuning at the track. It also served as my daily-beater. Now, about 8 years later, neither one of us would even consider anything under a 20G for a street turbo. I've used everything from a Green, a Red, a T04E 57-trim, to a T-61 for street cars. And have had no problem with them being "too laggy" for daily driving. Most times the cars are driven "off boost" while commuting but when you cram the pedal to the floor, they always have plenty of passing power almost instantly.

Everyone talks about "lag this, and lag that" but no one takes into account that most cars don't see boost until you're beating on the car. With that said, most people aren't too lazy to grab the shifter and put it one gear lower. I don't know if I've ever gone to pass a line of cars, or pull on someone while starting out at 2000 rpms and waiting for the turbo to spool for a second or two.

The only real advice anyone can give *you* on this is to find some people with modded DSMs and ask them to give you a ride in them or if they're willing, let you drive their cars. Try a couple of different ones out and see what the best combination is out of the bunch in your opinion.

I see that you're located in MD. The CADSM club is throwing their annual get-together in June. I'm planning on making it for once this year. I'll be trying to bring down my newest car (good way to break in the motor) and/or my brother's 11.3 car with the AGP L3 on it. If you show up, I'll give you a ride in both, and possibly talk him into letting you get behind the wheel of his for a quick pull. I think you'll be surprised how quickly it goes from cruising along normally to throwing you back in the seat.

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

all those choices suck.. i say 50 trim.. or 60 trim for the brave

 

[Nailz]

Originally posted by DSSA


I see that you're located in MD. The CADSM club is throwing their annual get-together in June. I'm planning on making it for once this year. I'll be trying to bring down my newest car (good way to break in the motor) and/or my brother's 11.3 car with the AGP L3 on it

Josh, theres a meet at Nockamixion Park June 7th, get the white car ready to show it off

 

[DSSA]

heh...the car will go if you bring over a trailer and tow it there with your big, manly truck.

 

[herostar]

where's the t28/big28/t28 killer?

 

[Nailz]

Originally posted by DSSA
heh...the car will go if you bring over a trailer and tow it there with your big, manly truck.

You may get your wish. I'm looking at a trailer at my work today

 

[DSSA]

Originally posted by Nailz


You may get your wish. I'm looking at a trailer at my work today

Swweeeeeetttt!


(In Ralphie (Simpsons) voice) "Will you be my daddy?"

 

[Nailz]

Originally posted by DSSA


Swweeeeeetttt!


(In Ralphie (Simpsons) voice) "Will you be my daddy?"

Bwhahaaha :laugh: Hopefully I can get a good price on it, needs some work though.

 

[DSSA]

Have welder...will weld for free tows.

 

[Nailz]

Haha, I'll keep that in mind But I'm a nice guy and will give you a free tow anyway. As long as its to take the white car to the track

 

[DELTA_Rotary]

Originally posted by NDgsx


Oh yeah and who is your "buddy" and where is his timeslip? Nobody cares if you type a number into a keyboard.

I will vouch for the fact that he does speak some truth. A local guy did have a green that he pulled in 427whp and did run a 7.2 @ 99mph. He has since moved on to a red.

 

[Tattooedeclipse]

yeh the reason i said 100mph is because he missed 3rd gear so it would have probley been over a 100mph pass .....

 

[GrocMax]

Y'all need to quit relying on compressor map data so much. Unless you have the engineering data 'fine print' at the bottom, they are next to useless, to be used as a general guide only. Guess what? All the maps bandied about on the net have the engineering fine print deleted.

They also aren't 100% factual when the wheel is forced beyond the map RPM or PR, sometimes this can be extrapolated with accuracy, sometimes not. Do not automatically believe that using a wheel in a smaller housing than what the comp map used will suffer dramatically in performance- this is not always true.

There are a bunch of combos out there that perform much, much better in the real world than the comp map says they will, and some that never live up to the comp map potential.

With the size and capacity of the FMIC's these days, arguing about a few percent of 'efficiency' or 30-40 degrees of outlet temp is a worthless argument. You'll get it back if the mass airflow increases.

 

[Ben K]

Originally posted by GrocMax
Y'all need to quit relying on compressor map data so much. Unless you have the engineering data 'fine print' at the bottom, they are next to useless, to be used as a general guide only. Guess what? All the maps bandied about on the net have the engineering fine print deleted.

They also aren't 100% factual when the wheel is forced beyond the map RPM or PR, sometimes this can be extrapolated with accuracy, sometimes not. Do not automatically believe that using a wheel in a smaller housing than what the comp map used will suffer dramatically in performance- this is not always true.

There are a bunch of combos out there that perform much, much better in the real world than the comp map says they will, and some that never live up to the comp map potential.

With the size and capacity of the FMIC's these days, arguing about a few percent of 'efficiency' or 30-40 degrees of outlet temp is a worthless argument. You'll get it back if the mass airflow increases.

He's so smart when he's sober, and makes perfect sense.