Beat an STI...but why?

[juanpac0]

As to the comment about lying about mods done to his car...we pulled into McDonalds and I looked under his hood. Everything I mentioned I saw firsthand. As far as PTW ratio goes, that could be a big one. I stripped the rear interior and my frot seats are out of a non turbo which feel 20 pounds lighter each to me (carrying them). Now we are having the discussion I was looking for. I didnt take into account the 6 speed

STi's are only 200-250lbs heavier.

 

[907dsm]

Bro I used to have a Wrx with an 04 Sti swap it had pretty much every bolt on possible except for ewg and I still got pulled on the highway by Evo 9's; basically there really fast cars and maybe driver mod had alot to do with it.

 

[Achelea]

Also, why you beat him is that his motor faces north/south and the power has to be "bent" 90* to the axles.
Thus, axle HP and torque really drops compared to crankshaft output HP and torque when power gets bent 90*, in as well he's doing it double being AWD.
Why of your comment on V8's not being nothing compared to your DSM: their axle HP and torque really drops with the 90* "power bend."
where we FWD/AWD units have almost direct power with the crank and axles laying in the same direction.
Why do you think "Crotch Rockets" bikes have so much power outside of the power to weight ratio being so low?: crank and axle laying in the same direction.
Let's see what you do now with a Chevy Cobalt SuperCharged SS ...
(why I won't buy a AWD Subaru - their AWD system is great, but eats plenty of gas and you have to keep tires continuallly rotated so you won't bust up the viscous coupling...)
Have fun with the street racing..and don't get caught. -DSM

*Twitches* Physics weep!

Your logic makes sense, but is flawed. You don't lose power when you make 90* turns. You lose a bit of power due to friction, yes, but it's not a huge loss, it's changed due to gearing.

Little input gear has 10 teeth, big output gear has 100 teeth. So when the little gear spins at 100 RPM, the big gear only spins at 10 RPM. It's not lost power, just changed. Big gear might be going slower, but it has 10 times the torque the little gear has. The gearing has a lot to do with how power is trasferred. The Subies are geared for rally. So they have short gearing. ((Example)) 1:1.1 and so forth, versus 1:4. That way more of the torque from the engine is transfered instead of the rotational speed.

Why do you think smaller 4cyl engines have to rotate faster to make the same amount of torque large V8s do? Both cars can have the same amount of torque at the wheels, but the little motor has to spin faster to make the same amount of torque. Hence why our motors top out at 7K ((Higher When modified)) when a Camaro rarely gets over 5.5?

 

[RoninEclipse2G]

STi's are only 200-250lbs heavier.

04 Impreza WRX Sti 3351lb
91 TSi AWD 2745lb

that's a base difference of 606lb, if you add in the OP's partially stripped interior that difference could be greater, not to mention possible weight differences in drivers

If the STi had any stereo equipment that would add more weight, and a front mount weighs more than the stock topmount IC

 

[juanpac0]

Impreza WRX Sti 3351lb
91 TSi AWD 2745lb

that's a base difference of 606lb, if you add in the OP's partially stripped interior that difference could be greater, not to mention possible weight differences in drivers

TSi AWDs are 3,000lbs, the FWDs are 2700.

 

[Simadowna119]

Mention street racing in any thread and it will be closed fast.


I know why you beat the STi....they're slow.

why does everybody hate street racing so much?.. please dont say safety because i garauntee everyone in this thread has street raced atleast once or twice... might get a few replies saying "i havent" but there probably lying. and there is safe ways to street race... i dont have a drag strip anywhere close to where i live.. and i still dont want to street race. but i just dont see why everyone on here makes it out to be the worst thing you can do with your car....

sorry to change the subject here just something i wanted to get off my chest

 

[mach4g63t]

True, DSM's are nice cars but they drive and handle like bricks on the road. It reminded me of my old four wheel drive fourwheeler, does not like to turn all that well.

Fixed.

 

[Achelea]

why does everybody hate street racing so much?.. please dont say safety because i garauntee everyone in this thread has street raced atleast once or twice... might get a few replies saying "i havent" but there probably lying. and there is safe ways to street race... i dont have a drag strip anywhere close to where i live.. and i still dont want to street race. but i just dont see why everyone on here makes it out to be the worst thing you can do with your car....

sorry to change the subject here just something i wanted to get off my chest

Because, It's part of the Rules.

The other reason is most of the people here are trying to have intelligent conversations, and when street racing comes into play, it becomes a mudslinging event. Not to mention it tends to attract less than desirable people. IE Kids who want to go fast cheap and not think of the consequences.

If you're hammering it down the road, you're into what your doing. But the rest of the planet isn't. Is the deer that decided the yummy grass on the other side of the road aware that you want to see how fast you can go? Is that nice grandmother driving her grandkids to church aware that that around the next corner, you and your buddies are attempting something you saw in a movie? Or is that cute couple sitting by the road wispering sweet nothings into each other ear aware that there is a pot hole that is gonna send your sweet ride hurtling through the air to crush them against the unmoving stone. Is that family who happened to have an accident and is upside down in the middle of the road in thier SUV have any idea that your brand new Enkies have fresh rubber on them?

On a race track, when you screw up, it happens fast. But you can be attended to long before you're aware of what happened. When you screw up on public roads, you put yourself, and others at risk. When you screw up, Some one has to see to call for help. And even then, the paramedics have to make it to where you're at, at a far slower pace than you got there. And even then, if you're not the worst hurt, they may hold off on saving you to help people who are in more danger first. Let's not forget the nice little fact that they might have to wait for the Fire department to show up and cut you out of your car.

And after all that. The medical bills, the lawsuits, the legal problems... What do you do when you are drinking through a straw? when you can't move your legs. You can't feel your arms. Or your brilliant mind that was able to solve a rubic's cube in ten seconds is now wholeheartedly entertained by watching the IV drip. Or what if you can hear everyone, see them.. but cannot reply. because your body doesn't obey. because you can't move, and your coma is leaving you stuck between awake and asleep. Madness eating at your mind.

It's warned against because it is a bad idea.

 

[RoninEclipse2G]

why does everybody hate street racing so much?.. please dont say safety because i garauntee everyone in this thread has street raced atleast once or twice... might get a few replies saying "i havent" but there probably lying. and there is safe ways to street race... i dont have a drag strip anywhere close to where i live.. and i still dont want to street race. but i just dont see why everyone on here makes it out to be the worst thing you can do with your car....

sorry to change the subject here just something i wanted to get off my chest

That's where you're wrong. Not to mention your horrible grammar, spelling and lack of using capital letters.

There is NO safe way to street race. There's always the chance that someone will lose control, or a random car will turn onto the street being used as a "track," and take out themselves, the other racer or innocent bystanders.

The track has safety measures and safety crews to prevent accidents from getting out of hand and causing needless deaths and injuries. Does death and injury still happen on the track? Yes, but in the very rare event that it does, it's almost always limited to one or two people that were fully aware of the risks and took every precaution to prevent it. I hear too many stories of some dumb #### racing with their friends/girlfriend in the car, getting in a wreck and killing or turning the passengers into vegetables. Or the last soccer mom of the night is rolling around in her minivan and just happens to turn right into the race. These unknown variables just aren't present on the track

It's not that it's the worst thing you can do to your car, it's the worst thing you can do to yourself and the people around you.

 

[audiomaster]

Let's see what you do now with a Chevy Cobalt SuperCharged SS ...

(why I won't buy a AWD Subaru - their AWD system is great, but eats plenty of gas and you have to keep tires continuallly rotated so you won't bust up the viscous coupling...)


Have fun with the street racing..and don't get caught. -DSM

Cobalts are slow. My GSX eats them all the time. To answer the OP, you have a faster car than the STI. You can't catagorize all DSMs or all STI's by one encounter or by how many over generalizations you make.

I agree that as a DD the STI is much more practical. I also love how boxers sound but the way my cammed stroked 4g63t pulls, sounds and how my GSX handles leaves a grin on my face every time I drive it. Where I live there are Subaru's everywhere, unfortuneatly most of the DSMs around here are junkers. So I love having a good one.

 

[1990AWD]

TSi AWDs are 3,000lbs, the FWDs are 2700.

awds can't be that much more than fwds, can they?

 

[tsi1991awd]

As I said, I was not making this thread to talk about street racing. I know the consequences and such, but theres always the event that happens once in a while when you just do it. That goes for everyone. I am not condoning it in any way. My purpose was to discuss the two vehicles.

As someone mentioned my car being faster...I know we cannot make generalizations about every DSM or STI out there. I was obviously the faster of the two. But what I didnt quite understand is how I could be that much faster having so little mods. I am beginning to take into consideration what I should have thought of to begin with (weight, gearing, etc etc.)

 

[lacroixdp]

awds can't be that much more than fwds, can they?

Sure are. AWD's are pigs.

 

[Nick2gGST]

I'm not going to lie I race on the streets very rarely but I do and I don't promote it at all. But everyones different when they do it. none more legal then the other, but for what it's worth when I do it I'm in a secluded area where nobody else can get hurt but myself or the other driver, after all, both people are at risk on the track as well. I'd never do it if there is anyone around or even the slightest chance that an innocent person could be in danger. Most of the time I'll just race up to the speed limit but not over. That's pretty cool that you beat an sti on an almost stock tsi, makes me feel more hopeful on my car. Hopefully the arguments can stop with the street racing though and continue on the subject. Tsi91awd...just for stopping the arguing, just say you were "on a track that night".

 

[Simadowna119]

That's where you're wrong. Not to mention your horrible grammar, spelling and lack of using capital letters.

There is NO safe way to street race. There's always the chance that someone will lose control, or a random car will turn onto the street being used as a "track," and take out themselves, the other racer or innocent bystanders.

The track has safety measures and safety crews to prevent accidents from getting out of hand and causing needless deaths and injuries. Does death and injury still happen on the track? Yes, but in the very rare event that it does, it's almost always limited to one or two people that were fully aware of the risks and took every precaution to prevent it. I hear too many stories of some dumb #### racing with their friends/girlfriend in the car, getting in a wreck and killing or turning the passengers into vegetables. Or the last soccer mom of the night is rolling around in her minivan and just happens to turn right into the race. These unknown variables just aren't present on the track

It's not that it's the worst thing you can do to your car, it's the worst thing you can do to yourself and the people around you.

very valid points! sorry it bothers you that my grammer is bad and i dont use caps. what i want to do is think of good comebacks like how all that you said is pointless when your racing on a closed off construction road that is a 1/2 mile long with no options to turn left or right ending with a dead end. except for the fact that there is no medical staff waiting in the event that you do crash. or how if your buddie's girlfriend is going to get in a car with some dumb ass out street racing at every red light then it is her own fault for willingly putting herself in that situation, or how i said I DONT STREET RACE.... but i completely understand the point you two are trying to get across especially safety and the part about attracting certain types of people to these forums.... so i guess i got my answer and ill never bring it up again... ill also repeat one more thing before im done with this, i would bet my bottom dollar that both of you have street raced before..

 

[caliboy23]

Don't listen to the those who talk crap about street racing. On the street is the only place where it matters. ANYBODY can throw money at a designated race car that is built for the track. But not everybody can man up next to any car they encounter at a stop light. That's what seperates the men from the boys. Besides, most people on this forum became an enthusiast because of the joys of spirited street driving in these cars. If anyone on this forum tries to tell me that you only drive the speed limit every day in a modified DSM I'll call you a liar.

As far as your race with an STI, I couldn't really tell you why you won. I know that I had a big 16G with 3 inch exhaust and stock intercooler and boost controller and whooped up on a regular 02 impreza turbo with similar mods. I hit fuel cut twice while doing it too. I beat him from a dig by 3-4 cars each race consistantly. And a friend of mine with bolt ons in his evo 9 beats down STI's by several lengths from a roll consistantly. I don't really know why. But I don't really care why to be honest. Every time I watch a dynoflash video on youtube I celebrate the fact that I don't own a Subaru. I don't think I've ever seen a car break so many parts as frequently as an STI. Al probably has a small fortune into that STI and rarely has anything to show for it because the car keeps spitting out drivetrain components along with various engine parts and accesories. I'll take a walk proned 95-96 DSM over any STI any day of the week.

 

[RoninEclipse2G]

The closest I've come to streetracing would be getting up to the speed limit faster than someone else at a stoplight.

besides, straight line isn't my thing. I'm all about the twisties

 

[quayzar590awd]

Not that my opinion matters but my brother has had his sti for two and a half years and the only prob he has seen are the poorly designed cross over pipe on them. They suck hard. His car def handles pretty good better than my talon thats for darn sure. Its def about 600 lbs heavier maybe a little more I think. He is pretty stock MHI 18g cobb intake and IC piping stock top mount. Some kind of little STI link type box tuner thing 650's full three inch exhaust turbo is @ 20 psi. He runs the stock ej25. He pulls on me till about 40, Thats only because I dont launch hard and he is off the two step. That six speed is what makes it slow to me. It makes just as much if not more power as my car and DEF more torque. It has more on top but I have already blasted him that far and he does even get into 5th and 6th in 1/4 mile so his top end does not come into play. From a 60 roll he would blast me on top no doubt about it. We dont run them on the street and you cant race on the track from a 60 roll. He plans on getting a stroker motor 2.75 Bigger injectors and a 20g in the near future. I wont even think about it at that point. He would blast me seven ways to Sunday. In your case weight and driver error on his part may have come into play as well as the 6 speeds short ratio's. I think the wrx and sti's are good cars they run good when maintained. The trannys are weak and they have a crap tune from the factory and crap cross over pipe. For the money he spent you could build a talon that would murder that thing all day but stock to stock. STI wins every time in my opinion. Thats what thirty grand buys you I guess. The wrx is slow def a step down total package wise then the sti. 2.0 five speed sixty less h/p stock. They have a good ratio tranny its a weak tranny but it has good ratio's. He got spanked by a bolt on's evo VIII RS with a stock turbo I believe @ the track if that says anything. Not by much but he got spanked.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

Honestly, I think the best way to beat a STI is with a regimen of penicillin.

 

[RoninEclipse2G]

Honestly, I think the best way to beat a STI is with a regimen of penicillin.

Thanks for the laugh

the stupid in this thread was starting to make my head hurt

 

[skatershawn]

Because, It's part of the Rules.

The other reason is most of the people here are trying to have intelligent conversations, and when street racing comes into play, it becomes a mudslinging event. Not to mention it tends to attract less than desirable people. IE Kids who want to go fast cheap and not think of the consequences.

If you're hammering it down the road, you're into what your doing. But the rest of the planet isn't. Is the deer that decided the yummy grass on the other side of the road aware that you want to see how fast you can go? Is that nice grandmother driving her grandkids to church aware that that around the next corner, you and your buddies are attempting something you saw in a movie? Or is that cute couple sitting by the road wispering sweet nothings into each other ear aware that there is a pot hole that is gonna send your sweet ride hurtling through the air to crush them against the unmoving stone. Is that family who happened to have an accident and is upside down in the middle of the road in thier SUV have any idea that your brand new Enkies have fresh rubber on them?

On a race track, when you screw up, it happens fast. But you can be attended to long before you're aware of what happened. When you screw up on public roads, you put yourself, and others at risk. When you screw up, Some one has to see to call for help. And even then, the paramedics have to make it to where you're at, at a far slower pace than you got there. And even then, if you're not the worst hurt, they may hold off on saving you to help people who are in more danger first. Let's not forget the nice little fact that they might have to wait for the Fire department to show up and cut you out of your car.

And after all that. The medical bills, the lawsuits, the legal problems... What do you do when you are drinking through a straw? when you can't move your legs. You can't feel your arms. Or your brilliant mind that was able to solve a rubic's cube in ten seconds is now wholeheartedly entertained by watching the IV drip. Or what if you can hear everyone, see them.. but cannot reply. because your body doesn't obey. because you can't move, and your coma is leaving you stuck between awake and asleep. Madness eating at your mind.

It's warned against because it is a bad idea.

Man.... vivid imaginantion!!!
But hes right!

Not everyone know whats going on 1/4 up the road!!!

when me and my bros use to do it it was on an old naval airstrip that was closed off to public!

BUT about the actually topic...... maybe his car wasnt tuned good!
or maybe you have more than you know!!

 

[Simadowna119]

The closest I've come to streetracing would be getting up to the speed limit faster than someone else at a stoplight.

besides, straight line isn't my thing. I'm all about the twisties

It's not that it's the worst thing you can do to your car, it's the worst thing you can do to yourself and the people around you.

what a tool

 

[deerhunter0881]

maybe the kid can't drive his car and you can

 

[quayzar590awd]

Don't listen to the those who talk crap about street racing. On the street is the only place where it matters. ANYBODY can throw money at a designated race car that is built for the track. But not everybody can man up next to any car they encounter at a stop light. That's what seperates the men from the boys. Besides, most people on this forum became an enthusiast because of the joys of spirited street driving in these cars. If anyone on this forum tries to tell me that you only drive the speed limit every day in a modified DSM I'll call you a liar.

This mentality is the reason so many good kids die every year. I drive within the limits of the law NOW ten years ago HA speed limit wtf is that. What seperates the men from the boys is the fact that a grown a$$ man knows better then to run on the street. We all have seen what it does to people. I dont street race i have not raced anything on the street in a long while. They build tacks for us street guys too. You dont need 100000 hp to run your car down the quarter. Its a controlled environment in which no innocent people die if you lose control going over 100 mph. They make them safe so you have a chance of living if you lose it and kiss the wall. You blast a 190 year old oak there is only one place you are going my friend. That place is called the meat locker or the morgue. Even in the beginning of the GAYEST portrayal of the tuner life style i have ever seen fast and the furious they clearly say DONT STREET RACE ITS STUPID AND ITS GETS YOU KILLED OR IN JAIL.

 

[juanpac0]

awds can't be that much more than fwds, can they?

It's true, It's easy to look under the car and wonder where all of those extra 300lbs go. I just hope you know that what I say is not just me throwing out numbers to skew my argument. I'm not biased towards DSMs or Subaru, I love my DSM to death, but when I start having to worry about a wife and kids I need to haul around, as well as groceries I'll definitely consider an STi.