Are my mods good to go for E85?

[gofer]

E85 is badass, I think its a great idea but if your ordering it by the barrel then it seems sort of like a pain in the butt. Of course its up to you to decide, since remembering to order a barrel could mean getting to work or not where as I can fill up on my way just like gasoline.

Any amount of boost you want to run 16, 20, 25, or 30psi it doesn't matter your going to be able to put down more power running E85 than you would 93 octane. I'm currently running 29psi on a STOCK 7 bolt with 100k on the bottom end, my mods and hp numbers are all up to date in my profile.

Back to the question at the top though, that setup will be just fine on E85 but I do suggest upgrading to a metal fuel filter since the E85 eats the stock paper one. My HTA68 pushes 48 lbs/min and I'm running 950cc injectors, of course they are maxed and my fuel pressure is set to 55psi to get every last bit out of them but they are still doing just fine. You'd be lucky to see much over 40 lbs/min out of a 16g so those 1050's are good to go.

 

[bNasty]

Do you always try to bag on me in every single thread? What's your deal? Are you the high and mighty on here? Have you ever built anything that's run a decent number yet? Or do you just buy parts, slap em on, sell em, and buy something else? Seriously, WTF is your problem?

Two Words...
Project Raven

 

[Calan]

I didn't see this mentioned, but if you are trucking in E85 you have to be aware of it's short shelf life due to the rate it absorbs water from the air. In other words, don't leave the container unsealed and don't let it sit for too long.

As for running too lean... E85 can still knock, but it is much less likely to than pump gas. On the other hand, it can sometimes be more likely to knock than pump gas if you run the AFR too rich. I usually run around 12.5:1 or slightly higher with good results.

You'll also want to inspect your injectors and fuel filter every so often for the "black goo" that some people experience. (This appears to be a regional phenomenon caused by additives in the fuel itself). Running a tank of pure gas every few fill-ups seems to prevent it for those that see it.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Two Words...
Project Raven

That means nothing to me. There any dyno #'s or timeslips to whatever that is?

 

[standard235]

When people see my AFR's go mid to high 12's on the gauge at WOT, they shit bricks. It's amazing.

Oh and 20 degrees of timing at 28psi on my big 16g. Pop the hood, looks stock aside from the Fuel Lab filter and -6AN filter to rail and the FuelLab regulator, hard intercooler piping, and my fiberglass intake pipe for speed density...

 

[diambo4life]

is methanol gonna be better than e85?

Methanol is not pragmatic for this specific setup.

If you have to order it by the drum, run e98. Its the same stuff Lucas used to run low 10s on his 16G auto setups.
Only reason to go E85 is if you are trying to have "pump" gas. Other than that, E98 all the way.

There is NO need to run E98 for this setup, period. He can make the same power on E85 with less fuel demand. It's also redundant for a DD application because you can not fill up your car at an E85 gas station with E98.

OOT, You know what? A lot of us are getting sick of your bullshit cynical posts on this forum. NOSLO2PTO (Mike) is an OG DSMr who has more knowledge and experience than your running mouth ass does! STFU.

If it's a daily driver, E98 isn't worth it. Also...the 1050's might not be enough if that 16G is at fully boogie!

Precisely!

Your logic makes no sense..

How is it not worth it if it is a DD?

I highly doubt he is worried baout it being a DD if he has to buy fuel drums.

1050s should be ok as well..

E85 is not practical for a DD because you can not buy it at the frigging gas station! It's not readily available as E85 is. My car is a DD and I would never run it on E98 because it's impractical. It's common sense. I don't want to have drums of fuel at my house (a hazard) when I can get it by simply driving my car to the gas station. Are you serious?

You're good to go but you as mentioned you may want to upgrade to an aftermarket fuel filter. You may have some issues when the corn juice cleans out your tank and lines and clogs it up.

An aftermarket fuel filter is not required. He can just get a new OEM fuel filter and perform regular maintenance. I would know. I have the OEM fuel filter and stock fuel lines in my car making 600awhp+ with no problems.

So is the switch to E85 really worth it over 93 octane? I mean what exactly will be better

Absolutely.

There is a quite a large difference between 1000s and 1050s, but since you are make such bold claims, I'll assume you already knew that right? I mean, riiiight??

Some of us here talk about stuff we have had direct experience with! We also have results to show for it. Stop with your needless snarky comments intended to pick fights with people. It's annoying and the comments do not add anything of substance to the conversation.

 

[casperfast]

e85 is only $1.85/gal 2 blocks from my house at a gas station ( space age fuel off glissan and 162nd in portland) i am tempted to run e85 just for the fuel savings alone

 

[TSimage]

e85 is only $1.85/gal 2 blocks from my house at a gas station ( space age fuel off glissan and 162nd in portland) i am tempted to run e85 just for the fuel savings alone

Not sure of the difference between your Premium gasoline and E85 but in general there isn't much savings unless you are substituting e85 for race gas. You also have the plus of always being able to have your power on tap.

With E85 your MPG will be quite poor compared to your gasoline tune so there is very little savings and in most cases none. (we were spending more but it made it worth it when you don't have to ever pay for race fuel again)

 

[casperfast]

gotchya

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

I have more 10 and 11s time slips than you'll ever accumulate. but that is neither here nor there.



Now the question is is what experience do you have to say other wise and ironically so, what have you personally accomplished that you feel you can simply spew whatever you want with out anyone disagreeing with you?.. Silly goose.
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Do you now? I was running mid 11's back in 2003 on a 50 trim and pump gas, with an AFC. What were you doing back then? I was also running mid 10's on E85 in 2007 with a little bolt on 3065. Once again.....what were you doing then?

I'll even throw up a little proof as to what I've done to where I can spew a little knowledge!

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/73232-new-50-trim-pump-gas-record.html

If you have DSMLink forum access, here ya go.

ECMTuning User Support Forums

Until then, lay off and quit belittling people on here. Try to post actual USEFUL, HELPFUL info on here instead of bashing everyone, even the ones that have already been down that road, LIKE ME!

 

[noonan98turbo]

I too am also thinking about switching to E85. I currently have PTE 880's so would I be able to get by with these injectors. My mods list is current and up to date in case you want to check it out. Thanks.

 

[Ludachris]

I have more 10 and 11s time slips than you'll ever accumulate. but that is neither here nor there.

Don't feel I am picking on you, If you post something that is wrong I feel compelled to correct it so that the OP isn't misled. If the OP has to order in the drums anyways, why not shoot for E98, it was simply a suggestion that you took to the next degree. I have no problems running a few of my cars on E85, then again I live in an area where we have more E85 stations any place other than a few midwest cities. I race on E98 and if I had my choice to just run one or the other, I go with 98 just for the hell of the benefits it provides as far as being able to see your cars FULL potential. E85 is like running 110, E98 is like running Q116.

Now the question is is what experience do you have to say other wise and ironically so, what have you personally accomplished that you feel you can simply spew whatever you want with out anyone disagreeing with you?.. Silly goose.
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Get the lube ready...





Are you 100% sure he can make the SAME power on E85? We can compare fuel charts all day if you'd like about the benefits of E98 over E85... You lack basic comprehension ironically in its most basic form. READING.

You're remedial ass seems to have missed where the OP mentioned he was buying a 55gal drum of E85, assuming it isn't available in pumps near him:





Learn how to read before you go running your mouth off to the wrong people. That quote alone totally destroys any reasoning you THOUGHT you had. Move along, I'm not the one and can assure you that you wont be enlightening of anything any time soon.. I suggest you check your reference before you hop aboard the fail boat because you can sink along with him.






Are you THAT stupid.. yes, yes you are... Let me post this again..




You should have accidentally not woke up this morning. It would have saved you from making this post..





Kind of like this post you made without even READING what the OP had to say to begin with... If I was a mod I'd do you a favor and delete your post so people don't see how silly you are but you dun gone and goofed this time. I'm speaking from experience as well.. Tell me, have you even used E98 before or do you not follow your own advice? How bout we get some English racing guys in here and let them know that they are doing it all wrong as well.. WTF

I can care less what you are "getting sick of" me, you're no body to me and have achieved nothing I can look towards as a means of encouragement or advancement. Your rush to make this post only shows your fickleness and asinine attempt at attention. You've added nothing more to this thread and have assisted in further derailing it off topic so pretty much, quit while your not so far behind. Get over yourself.

If you would have been more interested in helping the OP as I was offering you could have saved yourself the embarrassment.

Seriously? I thought we were on the same page?

 

[diambo4life]

I too am also thinking about switching to E85. I currently have PTE 880's so would I be able to get by with these injectors. My mods list is current and up to date in case you want to check it out. Thanks.

No man. You don't have enough injector. You will be limited to what boost you can run.

Mike, don't feed the troll.

 

[noonan98turbo]

Ok thanks for the straight forward answer. I guess its time to sell the 880's for something larger. They just got an E85 pump near my house so I really want to make the switch to E85.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Funny thing is, I'm going to run 880's on this 16G car as well. I know I'll be limited by the injectors, but that's fine with me. It's just a little fun daily til I get the other car finished.

 

[TSimage]

Seriously? I thought we were on the same page?

Oh we are, I toned it down. Its simply what happens when someone lacks the ability to comprehend a subject matter. We're past that now hopefully however.

Back to square one for the OP. There are many benefits he can see with E85 that will only be increased with E98. If you want to talk to someone with personal experience running it on a similar framed turbo you are (I ran it on a larger turbo) feel free to hit up Lucas who's running 10.2s with his setup right now.

The fact you have to order it in a drum anyways negates any reasoning about convenience. If you had E85 pumps in town however I'd be 100% for it. That's just my opinion on it. Why run a lower rated fuel when your setup is capable of handling a better fuel option. The 1050s will be cutting it close but they are leaps and bounds beyond the older 1000cc injectors that really push closer to 950ccs where as the 1050s are closer to older 1100-1200. Ethanol fuels tend to love the better atomizing of the newer FIC "50 series" injectors.

 

[diambo4life]

...and I FULLY disagree. If you are not exceeding the knock threshold of a fuel, it's redundant to run a higher "octane" fuel. Both fuels are oxygenated so the gain there will equally be insignificant. I fully understand the issue both from a practical aspect and the science behind my reasoning. When it comes to pragmatism for this guy's specific setup, he does NOT need E98 to max the power out of a 16G! Many have done it without running a drop of E98.

Also, E85 is not close or equivalent to 110 fuel. It performs much better than a 110 octane fuel. Many (including David Buschur and Mike at AWD Motorsports) have seen power gains going from C16 to E85. It's very well documented. My own car has performed much better on E85 than 110 race gas.