anyone ever heard of this? better mpg this easily? (acetone dreams)

[90 GSX]

90 gsx:
"I would not do it, especially since there are many other ways to improve the fuel atomization in an engine."

And what are those so many ways?

I'm using the acetone, and the one thing I can say is it does make a noticeable difference the way the engine runs, seems to take less pressure on the gas peddle to get X amount of acceleration. This also tends to make you want to drive fast though hehe.

Once I filled up with just plain Prmium, and I noticed the car was slower. Is this just because the ECU would need to adjust? Or could it really be because acetone does help?

Well when I run out of acetone, I will run a few tanks of plain gas and see how it goes.

But that one tank; I could totally notice it, and I wanted the acetone back in there reall quick, so I put some in. And have been using it since.

Did you read my post? Or did you just skip to the end where it says "The Moral" ??? Because if you did read it you would see that I mentioned one way, which is to heat the fuel up before it goes into the combustion chamber. In addition, AWDlaserRS on the first page made a list of about 7 or 8 things that improve atomization. I also said that maybe it does work, but I would not use it without knowing what other unforseen effects it may have. You would also have seen that I posted about things that he mentioned that were wrong so you could be informed, take it or leave it, makes no difference to me.

Also, I know that toulene is a cyclic hydrocarbon. I see no problem using it in addition to gas to raise the octane rating. Acetone... well I'm not so sure. Just because you get "X" amount of acceleration extra at the same throttle really doesn't mean anything without doing a real study... what this guy has done is not a real study, and I pointed out a couple reasons why it was not.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356125&highlight=acetone

Read that, there are some opinions there from other people which confirm what I said before I even saw that post on that forum.

 

[Doug99RS]

It would be interesting to see these cars in about 5+ years. See if the protective linings in the injectors, fuel tank, fuel pump and other components are gone because they got a few extra miles to the gallon. Congradulations, you save all that money just to spend it on diagnosing a really wacked out problem all caused by your desire to be the guy who saved the planet, a gallon of gas at a time.

Want to save the planet? Don't reproduce.

 

[DSMBen]

If it really worked miracles, oil companies would give it a different name, bottle it and sell it for 30$ a bottle, like oil.

Also, for people that say they have tested it for a month, you do realize that EVERY tank is going to get less or more MPG depending on the current atmosphere, how you are driving... and other things.

Unless you are a chemist i dout your going to prove anything.

 

[90 GSX]

If it really worked miracles, oil companies would give it a different name, bottle it and sell it for 30$ a bottle, like oil.

Also, for people that say they have tested it for a month, you do realize that EVERY tank is going to get less or more MPG depending on the current atmosphere, how you are driving... and other things.

Unless you are a chemist i dout your going to prove anything.

Some people just don't believe or don't know enough science to know better... it's like the free electricity deal

http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/contributions/free_electricity.html

I'm sorry, but Spoolin4Ever, don't get mad, but you are one of those people. You've been had, took, and bamboosled

Notice any parallels with that article? Like maybe, how there is a conspiracy to prevent the use of acetone from becoming popular analagous to the conspiracy in the scientific community to deny the conservation of energy. Newton would have a heart attack...

I really think that it should be mandatory to learn the basics of physics and chemistry in high school, especially physics. That way people would not believe that microwave ovens can give you cancer, and that cell phones are bad for you and nonsense like that (or that acetone can be used to increase mileage with no side effects). Science is most definitely not the tell all of everything, however there are basic principles that are undeniable and sadly, most people do not realize that they are the foundation of our modern civilization.

I once saw an infomercial where a guy was selling a book that talked about how microwave radiation from cell phones can give you testicular cancer if you keep it in your pocket. Wow... I mean seriously, anybody with knowledge of basic physics would know that is a crock, and subsequently, asses like that guy would not be on TV preaching nonsense for money.

That was my little schpeil... as you can see, I despise ignorance of all sorts, from the right wing ideals taking over this country, to the denial of evolution, to jessica simpson's popularity... I mean, what kind of place do we live in where you can sponteneously generate a celebrity out of your little sister where no talent previously existed. Ehh actually that's explained best by a quote from family guy: "America loves hot white young jailbait ass." Bahh I'm done here.

 

[Thomas91169]

For those that have a desil daily driver, or desil anything, check out bio desil,
http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com
used cooking oil, methanol, and lye, and you have desil just as well preforming as fossil fuel type, and it lubes better, and smells like a french fry cooker for around .70 a gallon, granted it is more work for you, and the startup cost of the refinery so to speak is like 3500, you can build it for much less... sorr getting a little OT

that was on Dirty Jobs. the guy goes around and takes all the used cooking oil and shit, refines it and sticks it in his datsun. Biodiesel its called. helps the motor as well, the added oils in the biodiesel from the refinement process help coat the cylinder walls and rings during each compression stroke, thus making for a great seal every stroke.

 

[markGSX]

Mr. Fusion, anyone?

 

[exzercist]

that was on Dirty Jobs. the guy goes around and takes all the used cooking oil and shit, refines it and sticks it in his datsun. Biodiesel its called. helps the motor as well, the added oils in the biodiesel from the refinement process help coat the cylinder walls and rings during each compression stroke, thus making for a great seal every stroke.

actually that was on trucks and it was stacey that did it to a dodge ram.

 

[DSMBen]

Some people just don't believe or don't know enough science to know better... it's like the free electricity deal

http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/contributions/free_electricity.html

I'm sorry, but Spoolin4Ever, don't get mad, but you are one of those people. You've been had, took, and bamboosled

Notice any parallels with that article? Like maybe, how there is a conspiracy to prevent the use of acetone from becoming popular analagous to the conspiracy in the scientific community to deny the conservation of energy. Newton would have a heart attack...

I really think that it should be mandatory to learn the basics of physics and chemistry in high school, especially physics. That way people would not believe that microwave ovens can give you cancer, and that cell phones are bad for you and nonsense like that (or that acetone can be used to increase mileage with no side effects). Science is most definitely not the tell all of everything, however there are basic principles that are undeniable and sadly, most people do not realize that they are the foundation of our modern civilization.

I once saw an infomercial where a guy was selling a book that talked about how microwave radiation from cell phones can give you testicular cancer if you keep it in your pocket. Wow... I mean seriously, anybody with knowledge of basic physics would know that is a crock, and subsequently, asses like that guy would not be on TV preaching nonsense for money.

That was my little schpeil... as you can see, I despise ignorance of all sorts, from the right wing ideals taking over this country, to the denial of evolution, to jessica simpson's popularity... I mean, what kind of place do we live in where you can sponteneously generate a celebrity out of your little sister where no talent previously existed. Ehh actually that's explained best by a quote from family guy: "America loves hot white young jailbait ass." Bahh I'm done here.

You also are one of these people. Microwaves can give you cancer, and other bad things aswell. Think about it, stick a chicken in your microwave, and cook it. OH WAIT< you just cooked raw meat with a microwave, so if you were open to these microwaves you don't think it would be bad? I'm pretty sure the militairy makes bombs using microwaves, and guess what... it does a SHIT LOAD of damage.

If your cells are getting heated up, its going to mutate. You preeching science like you are, should obviously know that cancer is just a mutated cell that isn't accepted by your body, and kills what it infects.

Also, stick a cellhpone up to yourhead, and make a call. Radiowaves? Yes i think its radiowaves, will be shot out through the antenna on your phone and shot all over, if enough are absorbed by your brain, again damage will be caused.

On to the subject of the thread, no I don't think acetone will give you greater gas mileage, also I doubt it is safe to be released into the air. Read the label, im sure it says something about not ingesting the product... so your going to chemically change it for the worse, make it a gas so everybody can breath your insane concoction, no thanks.

Edit: About the Biodesiel, aswell as lubricating your engine alot better, it will also not build up carbon deposit like our favorite fossil fuel oil does. Giving you a cleaner burn and a cleaner engine.

The down fall, people are going to get fat. Heh, your driving down the road and the guy infront of you has exaust smelling like frenchfries... you see a McDonalds up ahead. "Damn, i could go for some fries for some reason."

 

[MrBoxx]

You also are one of these people. Microwaves can give you cancer, and other bad things aswell. Think about it, stick a chicken in your microwave, and cook it. OH WAIT< you just cooked raw meat with a microwave, so if you were open to these microwaves you don't think it would be bad? I'm pretty sure the militairy makes bombs using microwaves, and guess what... it does a SHIT LOAD of damage.

If your cells are getting heated up, its going to mutate. You preeching science like you are, should obviously know that cancer is just a mutated cell that isn't accepted by your body, and kills what it infects.

Also, stick a cellhpone up to yourhead, and make a call. Radiowaves? Yes i think its radiowaves, will be shot out through the antenna on your phone and shot all over, if enough are absorbed by your brain, again damage will be caused.

A: What bombs use microwaves to destroy matter? What makes you "pretty sure?"

B: So every time I stand near a campfire and my cells heat up, they mutate? Do you even know how a microwave oven heats food? I'll give you a hint: It has to do with the polarity of water molecules and friction.

C: Radiowaves. You mean the ones that your standard car stereo receives to make sounds and the ones your television receives? They're flying around all the time, man. You're being penetrated by them as we speak (err... type). You've been exposed to electromagnetic radiation for your entire life in one form or another. If you live in a sunny state, chances are you'll get skin cancer from sun-worshipping before you get brain cancer from using a cell phone.

 

[90 GSX]

You also are one of these people. Microwaves can give you cancer, and other bad things aswell. Think about it, stick a chicken in your microwave, and cook it. OH WAIT< you just cooked raw meat with a microwave, so if you were open to these microwaves you don't think it would be bad? I'm pretty sure the militairy makes bombs using microwaves, and guess what... it does a SHIT LOAD of damage.

If your cells are getting heated up, its going to mutate. You preeching science like you are, should obviously know that cancer is just a mutated cell that isn't accepted by your body, and kills what it infects.

Also, stick a cellhpone up to yourhead, and make a call. Radiowaves? Yes i think its radiowaves, will be shot out through the antenna on your phone and shot all over, if enough are absorbed by your brain, again damage will be caused.

On to the subject of the thread, no I don't think acetone will give you greater gas mileage, also I doubt it is safe to be released into the air. Read the label, im sure it says something about not ingesting the product... so your going to chemically change it for the worse, make it a gas so everybody can breath your insane concoction, no thanks.

Edit: About the Biodesiel, aswell as lubricating your engine alot better, it will also not build up carbon deposit like our favorite fossil fuel oil does. Giving you a cleaner burn and a cleaner engine.

The down fall, people are going to get fat. Heh, your driving down the road and the guy infront of you has exaust smelling like frenchfries... you see a McDonalds up ahead. "Damn, i could go for some fries for some reason."

HAHAHAHAHA. You have to be kidding me... you are so ignorant that you don't even realize you just made a fool of yourself.

Do you even know how a microwave works, or is that how they teach science out there in the boonies of wisconsin??? Or did you learn about microwaves in an army ad showing the new microwave weapon they built haha. The wavelength in a microwave is extremely long. Atoms vibrate with more energy as they respond to the microwaves. More vibration is an indicator of an increase in thermal energy. IE heat. It achieves the same goal as cooking the food over fire but does it by causing vibration through the use of microwaves, instead of transfering it to the food through burned oxygen. Even if a common microwave of around 900 watts had no door on it, it still would not harm you, let alone cause cancer, although I would not try it for obvious reasons... The myth about microwaves giving you cancer stems from ignorant people wondering how their food cooks in a magic box without fire, and then making ASSUMPTIONS (key word there) without knowing how it actually works. You my friend, are one of those people.

Also, as far as the cell phone goes... if you knew what you were talking about, you would know that microwaves communicate a cell phone signal. What are radiowaves Ben? Can you actually tell me what a radiowave is, or is that another big word you heard and threw in there?? Obviously not, because the frequency at which cell phones operate is in the microwave region of the spectrum. When you make a call on your cell phone, you are putting a microwave next to your head... Now tell me Ben, do you have a cell phone? Do you have cancer?

As far as cancer goes... if you have something to back up your claims I'd like to hear it, because you really said NOTHING in that post. What is a mutated cell Ben? Please tell me. There is no such thing as a mutated cell. A cancerous cell is one with damage to the DNA that corrupts the cell's ability to control it's growth cycle, replication cycle, and/or apoptosis. At that point, the cancerous cell undergoes a sort of localized evolution to fight your body's defense, grow, and supply itself with oxygen, sort of like a pathogen in some aspects. A cancerous cell does not "kill what it infects." That phrase of yours doesn't mean anything, a cancer cell does not infect, it simply does what it's altered DNA tells it to do. A microwave at most would heat up your DNA a little if anything... If you actually had a microwave powerful enough to do damage, it would destroy the cell (which I am guessing is the objective of a microwave weapon), not turn it into a "mutant".

Oh and just so you know my friend, as you sit infront of your computer screen reading this message realizing that your previous post included no data of any significant value and that you are arguing a point for the sake of arguing, you are emitting microwaves from your body. Right now Ben, microwaves are being emitted from you. Do you have cancer Ben?

I guess ignorance is bliss...

 

[DSMBen]

A: What bombs use microwaves to destroy matter? What makes you "pretty sure?"

B: So every time I stand near a campfire and my cells heat up, they mutate? Do you even know how a microwave oven heats food? I'll give you a hint: It has to do with the polarity of water molecules and friction.

C: Radiowaves. You mean the ones that your standard car stereo receives to make sounds and the ones your television receives? They're flying around all the time, man. You're being penetrated by them as we speak (err... type). You've been exposed to electromagnetic radiation for your entire life in one form or another. If you live in a sunny state, chances are you'll get skin cancer from sun-worshipping before you get brain cancer from using a cell phone.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/hpm.htm

Okay smart ass, did i really need to make you look like a jackass infront of everybody? They do make bombs out of microwaves. The microwave oven you have in your kitchen is such a minute source for them, plus microwave oven shells are made to keep the microwaves inside and not able to be let out. If you would do a slight bit of research you would see that some of the first microwaves didn't have this protection, and they were very dangerous.

Also, yes if you burnt yourself on a fire, you could get cancer, depending on how bad the burn is. If you held raw meat 3 feet frome a bon fire, it wouldnt cook, niether are you, that was a horrible analogy.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cellphones

Cell phone emit radiation, and if you READ that article, it will say what i said, you a prone to brain and nervous system damage.

Also, i just read your post below me 90 GSX, and in your own words

"Ignorance is bliss"

Edit: Since you wanted to be such a jackass 90 gsx here is a picture, for your simple mind from wikipedia, im sure you heard of it... just reading through the first paragraph on there about cancer, its pretty obvious you just regurjitated what you read on some website, because your are OBVIOUSLY un intelligent:

You must be logged in to view this image or video.

God, would you look at that, Mutations of a cell turn into cancer.. isn't that what i said? isn't that what you tried to reject? Oh PLEASE be quiet. To save what you have left, don't respond. Just read, and learn.

 

[90 GSX]

Look man. I don't want this thread to be closed, I tried to post some useful info about the BS in the acetone article and instead of reading my post, you got annoyed because you got suckered into what I refered to as BS. The only difference is that I supported my points. If you read back in the last couple pages, you will see that many other respected and educated members share my opinions. Now I will respond to the post you just made, and that is all because you are an unending source of incorrect information and ignorance.

1) I never said that they did not make bombs out of microwaves. Find a place where I said that to back your opinion up, and I will relinquish that point to you. I was simply stating that just because you heard the US was making a microwave weapon to short electrical systems (and have the side effect of burning and/or vaporizing organic material in close proximity), DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT.

2) You can't make a bomb out of microwaves. Microwaves are energy. You would need a bomb that EMITS microwaves, at extremely high intensity at that - somewhat like the weapon in Batman Begins. You should be more articulate with your ideas if you plan to call me a jackass.

3) The laws of physics are constant through time. When microwave ovens were first created, it was known that metal, even with small holes in it, reflect microwaves without fail. In addition, the only thing microwaves of that low of an intensity level could do is make you slightly hotter. In addition, at the power levels of a common microwave, you would have to be inside the microwave for it to be able to heat you up. Outside of the microwave, the slim amount of microwaves that do escape are reduced in power the farther you are away from the oven. After a few inches the effects are negligible. Read this article if you won't take it from me:

http://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/microwaveovenq&a.html

4) I am a biochemistry major. Like I have said in every post, I don't "regurgitate" anything without knowing that it is fact. That is the cornerstone of science. What you have done by posting that picture is the definition of regurtation because you still fail to understand what a mutation is even after "reading the first few lines on wikipedia". A mutation IS a change in the DNA sequence, as I stated in my previous post. I guess it was to complex for you to understand that A CELL CAN'T MUTATE. This is not teenage mutant ninja turtles Ben, this is molecular biology. A mutation is a change in the DNA sequence, not a cell that grows three heads and two vaginas.

5) I read your entire cell phone article. It doesn't say anything about increased risk. The only conclusion it does make is that long term research must be done. I quote:

"Although research has not consistently demonstrated a link between cellular telephone use and cancer, scientists still caution that more research needs to be done before conclusions can be drawn about the risk of cancer from cellular telephones."

In addition, research is in fact research because the investigation on the subject is not complete. For every article you find that says cell phones cause cancer, I can find ten that say the exact opposite.

Ben, honestly, I'm beating a dead horse by trying to make you understand because you are an ignorant and stubborn person. You think you have "won" something by attempting to make me look like a fool and a jackass, when in fact everything you have said is 1) without backing, 2) at least partially incorrect, and 3) simply stupid. Remember, this all started because you gained "X" amount of acceleration at the same amount of throttle by using acetone and that is your justification for using it in your engine... and you call me "OBVIOUSLY unintelligent."


To everybody else, I apologize for taking it this far. I have nothing to prove, I just wanted to share some of the knowledge I have on the subject. I hope that the thread won't be closed.

 

[DSMBen]

Most of my post wasn't directed at you untill the bottom. Someone else said they never heard of bombs that used microwaves, and that cell phones if used enough can cause cancer.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

Well if you yourself have not tested it, then you really don't know.

 

[JessesTalon]

Don't look now, if you put a few cans of redbull in you also gain like 30 whp, and like 10 mpg!


it works for the body, so why not the car, maybe its the key weve been looking for to maek cars fly!!!

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

Don't look now, if you put a few cans of redbull in you also gain like 30 whp, and like 10 mpg!


it works for the body, so why not the car, maybe its the key weve been looking for to maek cars fly!!!

Azzzhole

Well at least he moved to Arizona, one less smart ass punk up here in the PNW.

Go back to POSDSM where you belong :O

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Azzzhole

Well at least he moved to Arizona, one less smart ass punk up here in the PNW.

Go back to POSDSM where you belong :O

*Signals High Five*

 

[out there]

this thread has seriously declined in intelligence... lock please?

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Yeah really should get back to the subject but if you knew what we knew you would agree...

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

The car (stock fuel system, no aftermarket fuel control) is as follows:

6 bolt with about 155 psi compression across the board

Homemade MBC

K&N completely open

EVO3 16G set at 10 lbs of boost

Boost gauge

stock fuel, no aftermarket fuel control, injectors, anything else, all stock.

3.6 oz of acetone added to the gas.

I will do another log later with no acetone. I had done one, but realized the logger was not plugged in all the way

The log is in a Excel file here:
http://www.box.net/public/3faekepums

Please review my log, let me know what you think about how my car is running. I logged everything available on MMCD. This is basically my first log, so I appreciate any feedback.

Weird thing is I was watching mythbusters while posting this, they tested acetone, said it did not help with gas mileage. Oh well I am curious about how it effects performance (if at all).

By the way, it was about 75-78 degrees and quite a bit of traffic so I couldn't quite hit redline, don't wanna freak too many people out hehe

 

[MrBoxx]

Weird thing is I was watching mythbusters while posting this, they tested acetone, said it did not help with gas mileage. Oh well I am curious about how it effects performance (if at all).

I saw the same episode earlier and wondered the same thing. I look forward to your comparison test.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

I read your log assuming by the times, you started getting knock only around 6500 WITH acetone, but since you never got to that rpm WITHOUT the acetone we don;t know if you would have been knocking there anyhow?
Maybe I misread it, but thats what I got out of it.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

Is that pretty bad?

Keep in mind this is 4 highway runs, back to back, although there was a little cool down time in between on some of them. THere's no knock on the first run (see line 38), but there are on the later ones. The first real knock is at line 671, 8 counts. Line 757 is 13 counts, 14 at line 759. It was fairly warm and that's with the stock sidemount intercooler.

I couldn't make it to redline as too much traffic.

I guess I am curious how this compares to other cars with the same setup; EVO3 and stock fuel at 10 lbs.

I just want to know if this looks good or bad (say compared to stock, or stock with EVO3). Also look at the timing; up to 45 degrees.

I will log a run under similar circumstances but no acetone; after I run this tank empty and refill. But it will be a few weeks or so. My commute is pretty short right now.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

45 degrees of timing is only obtained in partial throttle siutations.
Granted I ahvent double check cause that site you hosted your file on hates me, but you should be pulling a max of 23 degrees on a WOT run and as low as 18 is still ok so long as the curve is smooth.

To be honest I've very confused with your log. For the slow people like me could you make another soon?

On your next fill up, do a WOT run to at least 6700RPM, log it and keep it a seperate file.
Title it "WITHOUT Acetone".

Allow for a cool down period, add in your acetone(allow for mixing, maybe refill up at the gas station?), and make another identical WOT run to at least 6700RPM, save it again as a seperate file and title it "WITH Acetone".

I'm very curious about yoru experiement, I'm just having a hard time understanding which run has acetone and which run does not.

Also, naturally, back-to-back runs will have degraded results.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

Oh, just to claify; this is all WITh acetone.

Previous run withjout it; the cabvle was not plugged in all the way.

So all 4 runs in that log are with acetone.