anyone ever heard of this? better mpg this easily? (acetone dreams)

[jd1828af]

It does not give any noticeable difference in gas mileage. I have been using acetone in my 96 tsi for over half a year now. There is no noticeable difference in mileage. It does, however, seem to some how increase the octane of the fuel. I have had a knock problem with the car since I got it. It will knock with anything under 95 octane. I have found that a full tank of 92 octane and 5 ounces of acetone is enough to stop the knock. I assume that the acetone is helping to reduce the surface tension and giving better fuel atomization through the injectors.

 

[out there]

good lord! where do you find anything above 92octane (unleaded, of course) up here? i didn't think any places marketed 95 octane either.

 

[AWDlaserRS]

There is no miracle product that will give you 50%-70% better gas mileage and anything that claims it does is BS.

There are a few things that DO work for increasing gas mileage but not drastically by themselves, the only thing that can drastically change your MPG is your driving habbits. You would be amazed how much of a difference your driving habbits can make.
Here are a few things that work:

1 A fuel preheater
2 low rolling resistance tires
3 Raising your tire pressure
4 Any oil rated EC1 or higher (check the donut)
5 Swich to a higher grade oil (example: sl , sm, sn)
6 run the engine hotter or increase the intake air temperature somehow, Now believe it or not this is true by running the engine hotter you are increasing the fuels ability to atomize once in the cylinder and therefore using more of its available energy. This is also the purpose of a fuel pre heater. Running hotter is usually achieved by leaning out the fuel mixture, this is why cars like the metro and honda Civic CX run very lean. The metro even has a metal plate blocking off air flowing into the engine compartment. This is alos a double edged sword as it can lead to engine knock if your engine runs too hot or lean so careful monitoring is required, probably why the civic CX uses a wideband oxygen sensor.
7. A new or low resistance air filter
8. A good tune up
I know this stuff because I own a geo metro FXi which is the metro that was optimized for really good gas mileage (even better than the regular metro) and Ive been experimenting with ways to increase my miles per gallon even further.

I really want to emphasize how much of a difference driving habbits make, when I first got the geo I filled the tank threw a five gallon jug in the back and drove like normal till the tank ran dry. By the way I drive probly about 40% city and 60% highway. Anyways I achieved 53 mpg which is pretty good. I then re filled the tank and really babied the car until it ran out, this time I got 61mpg ! What a difference it makes, its really amazing how much gas you waste! I have managed to get even higher by raising the tire pressure to 50psi and messing with the timing as well. I wanna get this thing to go like 80 miles to the gallon if its possible.

 

[Rogue9]

Here you want to get great gase milage in a car. Check out this.


100+ MPG

 

[m2pfaff7]

Seems to me a lot of people on this site "know" a lot of things without trying them. Strong opionions on whether or not this works should be based upon testing, not speculating. That goes for both the author of the article and all of you who are so sure it is a myth... Anyway, I decided it wouldnt hurt to try it on one tank of my gas and, without question, the highest mpg i'd ever gotten without it was 29 mpg, with the acetone, the highest i got was 34. Those are the facts that i came upon, now whether or not it's good to keep using it, i will have to research.

 

[Defiant]

I decided it wouldnt hurt to try it on one tank of my gas and, without question, the highest mpg i'd ever gotten without it was 29 mpg, with the acetone, the highest i got was 34.

One tank is meaningless. Come back in six months, after twenty tanks.

 

[Defiant]

Here you want to get great gase milage in a car. Check out this.


100+ MPG

The usual horseshit, with the usual, blind, unthinking utopian addle-headedness:
"The extra batteries let him store extra power by plugging the car into a wall outlet at his home in this San Francisco suburb — all for about a quarter."
Oh, just plug it in a wall. Where the fu(k do you suppose that energy comes from? It has to be generated somewhere. How much road tax is being collected on that electricity? How much energy is expended in the manufacture of those batteries, and how much energy to get rid of their toxic waste? How much energy is used to accelerate that kind of mass, and where does all the acid go in a crash?
In California, we could gain 10% better energy use if we just got rid of the jackass diamond lanes on the freeways and eliminated that many of the cars sitting there in gridlock.
The energy challenge is huge. But going down the Pep Boys and buying more batteries that you count on the already-weakened power grid to supply doesn't do anything for it.

 

[Ken]

The idea of a plug-in hybrid is good as a cost saving measure to the consumer, not really as an environmental alternative. By all mean manufacturers need to continue working with electric/hybrid technology. But at the same time ethanol based fuels and fules with a lower sulfer content need to be made available. To be able to use the lean burn capabilities of a GDI engine in the US would be great.

For people so willing to dismisss Ethanol and jump on the Hydrogen bandwagon: Please point to a viable renewable source of hydrogen. I can show you a cornfield.

 

[out there]

and now look at how efficiently ethanol is produced... do you realize how much wood or fossil fuel is required to produce a gallon of ethanol? pretty close to the equivalent of 60-80fl oz of gasoline (depending on quality, etc). what does that mean? that we're actually LOSING energy (by losing, i mean the fuel source, not actually destroying energy, which is impossible) in the production of ethanol. creating ethanol is ceating as much pollution as using it in automobiles.
now, if one were able to devise a way to produce ethanol without using fossil fuels, i'd be all for it

 

[joshohatesuall]

oh man i just filled my tank with acetone completely and now i get 900mpg!

 

[Dream On]

taken from article about the prius with 1957197 batteries:

"They're like the hot rodders of yesterday who did everything to soup up their cars. It was all about horsepower and bling-bling, lots of chrome and accessories," said Cindy Knight, a Toyota spokeswoman.

 

[jstiltner]

I agree that the nail polish remover shouldent do anything to your mpg, it would take more than a tank of normal driving for the ecu to lean out the injectors to know that it can run less injector duty cycle and still not run lean.

For those that have a desil daily driver, or desil anything, check out bio desil,
http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com
used cooking oil, methanol, and lye, and you have desil just as well preforming as fossil fuel type, and it lubes better, and smells like a french fry cooker for around .70 a gallon, granted it is more work for you, and the startup cost of the refinery so to speak is like 3500, you can build it for much less... sorr getting a little OT

I belive howstuffworks.com has a article on how to get more mpg, stuff like turn your ac off, less weight, use cruse control, tune up, ect.

 

[out there]

I belive howstuffworks.com has a article on how to get more mpg, stuff like turn your ac off, less weight, use cruse control, tune up, ect.

common sense isn't so common anymore

 

[boostedinaz]

I agree that the nail polish remover shouldent do anything to your mpg, it would take more than a tank of normal driving for the ecu to lean out the injectors to know that it can run less injector duty cycle and still not run lean.

For those that have a desil daily driver, or desil anything, check out bio desil,
http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com
used cooking oil, methanol, and lye, and you have desil just as well preforming as fossil fuel type, and it lubes better, and smells like a french fry cooker for around .70 a gallon, granted it is more work for you, and the startup cost of the refinery so to speak is like 3500, you can build it for much less... sorr getting a little OT

I belive howstuffworks.com has a article on how to get more mpg, stuff like turn your ac off, less weight, use cruse control, tune up, ect.

Good ol Trucks. I love Stacey

 

[LaN-]

Don't look now, but the earth's round.

BAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[LaN-]

how to get better gas mileage...

1. go get a blender, some graper juice, and some spam.
2. put the grape juice and spam in the blender.
3. mix until it is completely liquid.
4. drink half of the contents and pour the other half in your gas tank.
5. smash the blender over your head.

I do this like once a week.

Again i say

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

I just put some in last night: about 4.8 OZ into half tank, then I topped it off (that should mix it up pretty good).

So far, I can tell you that it does add a bit of pep to the car. Just a slightly faster acceleration response. On the gas mileage, it's too soon to tell.

I will know at the end of the week. I will post the results here (instead of talking a bunch of crap which is what most of you have done so far ).

I understand that some people are skeptical, and that's healthy. But a simple google search yielded thousands of results, and about 80% of people that tried it did see an increase in MPG. Also some did note a little more power.

Some people say it takes the ECU a while to learn the new fuel, and to reset the ECU after you add it. Well do you reset your ECU when you use race gas? I haven't heard of doing that, so I don't think you have to reset the ECU to notice the benefit.

 

[out there]

actually, when i used 1 gallon of xylene and 4 gal of 92 octane (before it was reduced to 91 ), i unplugged the ecu and let it idle for a couple of mins after plugging it back in. man, my idle was SO choppy for that time, obviously because it was getting more fuel than necessary. however, once i started driving and then leaned it out a bit, i noticed more "oomph" and would have beaten an evo (with intake and cat-back) that night with a better launch (i bogged it horribly), but i did pull on him through 1-2 and hung with him through 3... it was all over once 4 hit :sad:

 

[90 GSX]

Defiant, your posts are always the highlight of my day.

I would like to add that a lot of the info in that acetone article made me very skeptical. I have a lot of knowledge in organic chemistry and a fair amount in physics. I can tell you that the "ideal" automotive fuel is not propane. In fact it is not even a linear hydrocarbon. The way that the octane system was devised is based on the fact that some hydrocarbons burn more "smoothly" than others. Heptane which is a linear chain with 7 carbon atoms has a 0 octane rating because it reacts violently and can combust without spark if it is compressed enough. 2,2,4-Trimethylpentane is a 8 carbon (octane) branched chain molecule. That is the "ideal" automotive fuel with a 100 octane rating. For the octane inbetween, for example 87 octane, are rated by their performance in relation to those two molecules. 87 octane performs similarly to a mixture composed of 87% 2,2,4-Trimethylpentane and 13% n-Heptane. Yes propane could be used fuel, but is it the ideal fuel?? No. Could you even run a car off propane? Not any cars on the road right now.

Acetone can break surface tension, yes. But I almost laughed when I read that it's "molecular vibration" stirs up the gas for better combustion. I imagined an acetone molecule shaking all larger hydrocarbons around. In fact, acetone can act as a surfactant but it does not do so by vibrating. All atoms vibrate. That is how they interact, any physicist will tell you that. However, I'd assume that somebody who is telling you to put Dimethylketone into your gas tank should know what he is talking about. A much easier (and real for that matter) way to break surface tension of a liquid is by adding heat, as somebody said on the previous page. Liquids like to take the form with the smallest surface area to volume ratio (hence spherical raindrops) because the molecules on the interior of the surface essentially are "happier" to be in a lower energy configuration while the ones on the surface are "angry" because they want to be in the middle. The energy difference is due to intermolecular forces between the liquid molecules. To overcome that barrier, it requires energy. Simply put, surface tension is inversely proportional to temperature (wash your hands with cold water and hot water and see which works best, although soaps have surfactants to break surface tension of water anyway but you can still feel the difference).

Needless to say those are not the only things wrong with the article. I appreciate the guy's enthusiasm but I don't know about his claims. The only thing I do agree with 100% in the article is that the oil industry is a bunch of crooks and hustlers and that gas is flammable.

The moral: Maybe it works maybe it doesn't. Without good support for those pretty outrageous claims (35% in car D), I would not do it, especially since there are many other ways to improve the fuel atomization in an engine.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

90 gsx:
"I would not do it, especially since there are many other ways to improve the fuel atomization in an engine."

And what are those so many ways?

I'm using the acetone, and the one thing I can say is it does make a noticeable difference the way the engine runs, seems to take less pressure on the gas peddle to get X amount of acceleration. This also tends to make you want to drive fast though hehe.

Once I filled up with just plain Prmium, and I noticed the car was slower. Is this just because the ECU would need to adjust? Or could it really be because acetone does help?

Well when I run out of acetone, I will run a few tanks of plain gas and see how it goes.

But that one tank; I could totally notice it, and I wanted the acetone back in there reall quick, so I put some in. And have been using it since.

 

[blackGSX2g]

The biggest impact you can have on your fuel economy is the way you drive, maintainance, and the tune you have on your car. I can guarantee than most of the poeple that report back low teens for mpg either drive their car really hard all of the time, or have a piss poor tune or dead o2 sensor. My last tank of gas was about 26mpg CITY ONLY with mild-moderate boosting every day. It can be done with our cars, you just have to know how to do it. No magical product will help you, only tuning, proper driving, and maintainence.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

hmmm.well I know I have tried and continue to try and drive in a way that conserves fuel. But when traffic is backed up, stop and go commuting, you still are going to get crappy mileage. I mean go start your car and let it idle for a half an hour. What kind of gas mileage would you get? Not very good obviously. Now try start, stop, start sop, continue for about an hour. Yes the mileage is going to suck.

Is the traffic where you go pretty good?

Obviously the way you drive has an impact. But some things like horrrible tyraffic can still make it poor.

By the way, how do you calculate your mileage?

 

[blackGSX2g]

Is the traffic where you go pretty good?

Obviously the way you drive has an impact. But some things like horrrible tyraffic can still make it poor.

By the way, how do you calculate your mileage?

Traffic does impact your MPG. My MPG reprsents the average 9-5 going through city traffic.

You calculat your MPG by dividing your miles by the amount of gallons you put in your car. When you fill up, reset your trip odometer and measure by that.

 

[exzercist]

I still think it's bullshit. Acetone isn't new. If this worked, it seems to me they'd have realized it during WWII, when rationing was a way of life.

^^^^this is like saying that toulene and xylene doesnt give you anymore octane and doesnt make the combustion cycle more stable and adds horsepower gas companies do not tell you to use this in your cars because why??? oh yeah they want to sell you more gas at faster fill up intervals, duh!

 

[kyleporambo]

Maybe its just me but I thought with colder air you can have (abiet not being very significant) more timing, thus more power from less fuel.