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anyone ever heard of this? better mpg this easily? (acetone dreams)

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If you are going to mix your own then xylene makes even more sense. The octane value of toluene is 114. The octane value of xylene is 117. They are about the same price. I picked up a gallon at HD yesterday for $15.97.


I was curious about the VP Race Fuels. Here is the breakdown of the unleaded racing fuel from the MSDS. It didn't specify which grade but the MSDS # is M4039.

Aliphatic Hydrocarbons w/ Aromatics and Propietary Additives 100%
Pentane (-60)%
Hexane (-30)%
Benzene concentration maintained to [3.25% (0.2 to 3.25%)]

I am not able to fully interpret the meaning of this composition given the strange numbers but I thought some of you may find it interesting. If anyone understands the negative numbers please chime in.


BTW, in reference to my earlier post about using napthalene moth balls I definitely WON'T be doing it and do not recommend it. After looking into it further it turns out that hot rodders used to successfully use it to increase octane back when the octane of pump gas was very low. The octane value of napthalene is 90. Obviously, since we can get 91-93 at the pump adding these would lower the overall octane value. It also burns dirty. If you ignite a moth ball it burns quite well but gives off a thick, black smoke.
 
Thats good :thumb: ...honestly I have experimented with both Xylene, and Toluene, with little difference to report.

They both cost pretty much the same and sit on tons of hardware shelves side by side...so I Approve the use of either Xylene or Toluene PAINT THINNER ( EVERYONE- read the label before just dumping "Mineral Spirits" in your tank).....assuming the ambient temp is over 70* (because like stated before Toluene does not atomize as good below 70*f, F1 teams had to "pre-heat" their 80% mixtures back in the day when racing in cold temps).
 
Funny how you say Moth balls burn dirty..
I spilled some toluene on my patio while I was filling up the one gallon gas tank to make my mix. I wanted to see how it burned, so I lit the area where I spilled.. IT BURNS VERY VERY SLOWLY... and most of it had already evaporated, and I mean, I was about to hose it down because it was burning for so long.. It also left a BIG BLACK MARK on the concrete.. LOL.. pump gas is deffinately a cleaner burn..
Anyways, that was a dumb move, but I was curious..


Mark
 
Didnt read all these posts, but I know shit like 104 octane booster isnt worth it unless you basically fill your car up with a million bottles of it.
 
I have been reading about cars and came across this website. Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage

It says that acetone helps break the surface tension of gas, thus helping it vaporize better and burn better. This site gave me the idea to apply this to water/alcohol injection and throwing in just a little bit of acetone to make the water, alcohol, or water/alcohol mixture. It should help vaporize the liquid a little better, and increase surface area, which in part should soak in more heat from the air into the liquid. Just an idea for you guys with the injection systems already, I was thinking of trying it once I got my kit in.
Let me hear what you guys think.
 
You should read the actuall WiKi article we have on the site. It's very informative and basically proves that water is teh best, but some alcohol in there to vaporize soon and faster can get the intake charge down cooler than any intercooler could. And that's why it's added to the water. Enough water so that some is left in steam during combustion is supposed to slow the rate of pump gas being burnt to the time equall to something near 110 octane.
 
Believe me, I understand all to well how injection works and how to tune it. Look at this additive, that I bet nobody has looked into when looking at a kit, as an improvement. Just throwing something that none of you have tried out there. That is how things get better.
 
This is interesting?

I know the new "water born" automotive paints use Acetone in their systems. I will make a call to one of the BASF chemists to see whats up.

I work for a PPG, Dupont, BASF Automotive Paint store and supplies company.

Like the post above me refers to "Klean Strip" company. They have Toluene, Acetone and Denature alcohol.

I use the Denature alcohol and Toluene in my car and have had great success with these products.
 
Toluene is availble at most commercial painting stores, we use it to modify the dry time of oil based enamals in wood finishing. I use to pour some in the tank with the gas, i've tried it all acetone, toluene, you name it, if it was supposed to add octane i've tried it ( just not in an alky system) I mixed it with gas at fill-up. MOthballs actually worked just as well as toluene when i could monitor knock back in the day. I still have a friend who has a bottle of moth balls in his glove box and he adds 4 of them with every tank of gas on his turbo 280Z. It worked for me and he said he swears by it and won't run without it anymore and that was well over 6 years ago that i turned him onto them after watching what my timing was doing with them added to the tank. 1- 2 more degrees was seen across the board after a month of running them consistantly. Now this may have just been coincedence but i believe there's something to them.
 
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Ok here is the vedio, Pure Acetone really help?
Anyone knows about it...
will you put it in the 4G63T?
or anyone did put pure acetone in the car before?

I am just thinking about it...
feel free about to express...
 
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Or this vedio is true?

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This is something that I have thought about. Acetone has an even higher octane value than methanol. I forget the exact number but the autoignition temp of acetone is 869*F vs 725*F for methanol. And judging by how rapidly acetone evaporates from the skin it may even be able to cool more rapidly than meth (admittedly speculation). However, meth has a higher latent heat of vaporization at 473 BTU/lb vs 223 for acetone, so overall meth is capable of removing more heat from the air charge than acetone. For reference the value for water is 970!

If mixed with water, the potential of extremely rapid cooling from acetone combined with water's ability to remove very large amounts of heat and slow the burn rate could be very interesting. But theory and speculation don't always predict the end result.

I think the main issue with acetone is it's incompatability with the seals in the typical pump.

I believe dsm-onster had mentioned something about using acetone in a previous thread but I don't know if he actually ended up doing any testing with it.
 
I did try it. And injecting small amounts (under 70cc or m1 nozzle) did no good. But don't let that stop you. Just use more than that if you dare your systems sealing capabilities:) . I think there's something to acetone. As it is a VERY good surfactant. It does make water and other substances "wetter". Low surface tension certainly leads to more cooling. But I'm having too much success without it to test it further. I just inject more water.
 
acetone will eat at the pumps... I would not recomend using it.
 
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