All timing marks aligned but one...

[dsmBear]

I jhad everything lined up, but when i put the tensioner on, it moved the oil pump timing, so i took of tensioner and redid belt but it will not line up, yes i cranked it over manually by hand till they lined up again, does the oil pump even matter or what?

Tips on what to do next? I'm getting really frustrated with this .

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[92AWDHX40]

Timing Belt VFAQ (Timing Belt TSB - ENHANCED)

follow the steps here I would grab a cam sprocket tool from a vendor here or use two wrenches until you have the cams aligned, and make sure everything else is right, this thread up top should help, its a great link for just that reason.

 

[gieri002]

It may just be the picture but your cam gear marks don't look aligned. Take off your belt and try again. I find using a ruler to make sure the cam gears are perfectly aligned makes this task much less of a headache. All of the timing marks will line up perfectly, don't give up until they do!

 

[snowborder714]

I wonder when people will learn to take pictures of timing marks straight on - anything else is useless to us who aren't in front of the engine.

If you still have your balance shafts, the oil pump mark needs to be aligned. If you've eliminated your balance shafts, it does not need to be aligned.

 

[dsmBear]

It may just be the picture but your cam gear marks don't look aligned. Take off your belt and try again. I find using a ruler to make sure the cam gears are perfectly aligned makes this task much less of a headache. All of the timing marks will line up perfectly, don't give up until they do!

Alright, so i have to go get that thing to compress the tensioner and then re do whole thing, awesome

 

[snowborder714]

If you set the tension properly, you should be able to just reinsert the pin.

You can also just take the tensioner off and compress it in a bench vice very slowly (quarter to half turn of vice, wait a few minutes, repeat) if you have access to one. Just make sure the tensioner pin doesn't slip on the jaws as you compress it.

 

[pauleyman]

Don't overthink this. This goes for anybody doing a tbelt job. If you have to reset its five min or ten tops. I quit counting how many I did after fifty or sixty. Its not a big deal. Find my posts on the topic. 25 years speaks for itself.

 

[dsmBear]

Don't overthink this. This goes for anybody doing a tbelt job. If you have to reset its five min or ten tops. I quit counting how many I did after fifty or sixty. Its not a big deal. Find my posts on the topic. 25 years speaks for itself.

Is this tdc? Mr first experience with this stuff, and this is closest I could get it, unless I could do it with the belt off?

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[bryanwheat]

That is not right. You need to roll the exhaust gear clockwise one tooth than the marks will align properly.

 

[dsmBear]

That is not right. You need to roll the exhaust gear clockwise one tooth than the marks will align properly.

I can't do that, the other one just moves, even if I hold one with another wrench.

 

[bryanwheat]

I can't do that, the other one just moves, even if I hold one with another wrench.

Yes you can, everyone has to when they do a timing job on these cars. Use 2 wrenches to hold the cam gears and either zip ties or small clamps to hold the belt to the gears while setting the crank, and oil pump.

 

[92AWDHX40]

I used two wrenches to hold the exhaust and intake cams so they line up, that looks good too when in college I had to tow my car home. Then I had to pull the head and do a timing belt job, I actually had the exhaust cam off by one tooth to my surprise the car started and ran for a bit until I sold it and got a turbo car. Just make sure everything lines up with everything else. They sell a tool to keep those things in place too.

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[dsmBear]

Yes you can, everyone has to when they do a timing job on these cars. Use 2 wrenches to hold the cam gears and either zip ties or small clamps to hold the belt to the gears while setting the crank, and oil pump.

So line it up then remove belt?

 

[bryanwheat]

So line it up then remove belt?

Leave the belt on from here, clamp the belt to the rear sprocket, slide the grenade pin in the tensioner, loosen the tensioner pulley bolt than roll the exhaust gear back. You will have enough slack to be able to turn the one gear. If you don't clamp the belt to the intake gear than it will slip.

 

[dsmBear]

Leave the belt on from here, clamp the belt to the rear sprocket, slide the grenade pin in the tensioner, loosen the tensioner pulley bolt than roll the exhaust gear back. You will have enough slack to be able to turn the one gear. If you don't clamp the belt to the intake gear than it will slip.

Okay, well before I read that, I didn't mark the blue, it was marked like that when I bought the car, so I thought maybe those were wrong marks and I lined up these ones and they seem much better aligned,should I rotate them back to the blue? and tensioner bolt? Is that the special tool? And really appreciate this I've been freakinf out. I've read that guide if just confuses me.

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[crimsondragon]

With it like that, your dowel pins aren't facing up. You can't just rotate the cam 180*. Both dowel pins up and all 4 marks lined up in a row. When I did my timing belt, I had to rotate the exhaust cam clockwise a little bit or it would have been off by half a tooth. Keep the crank at TDC, intake cam straight as possible, then route the belt on the crank, oil pump sprocket, then intake cam. Hold them like that, then with a wrench rotate the exhaust cam gear clockwise past the marks a bit. Thread the belt on and release. Then set the tension on the pulley.

 

[dsmBear]

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I had my friend whose done this before and he says this is good, it's better than before, and is too dead center. So now loosen tensioner and clamp belt to cams, and do oil pump.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Make sure its lined up with the timing marks on the bottom and you should be good, when i first started dsm i did that for the first time not having anything more than a book, but just make sure its all lined up pull the grenade pin, and crank over 6 times to make sure its still in time.

 

[dsmBear]

That is not right. You need to roll the exhaust gear clockwise one tooth than the marks will align properly.

By the way, marks on belt were 1 tooth off if that's what you meant, I'm talking about to the cam gears.

 

[bryanwheat]

By the way, marks on belt were 1 tooth off if that's what you meant, I'm talking about to the cam gears.

Yep, that is exactly what I meant. One off on a cam will throw everything off, but it will look very close. Glad you got it figured out. Now make sure to get the tension set properly.

 

[dsmBear]

Yep, that is exactly what I meant. One off on a cam will throw everything off, but it will look very close. Glad you got it figured out. Now make sure to get the tension set properly.

Tension and everything Is set.

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[snowborder714]

Something still looks off, unless it's the angle of the last picture (I thought I mentioned taking pictures straight on earlier ). The dowel in the crank sprocket should be at 3 o'clock when the engine is at TDC (meaning all timing marks are lined up) and when looked at straight on.

Since I can't see the crank timing mark, you'll want to look into that. Either the timing is still off or you're missing the woodruff key in the crank which aligns the trigger plate and sprocket properly.

 

[crimsondragon]

Speaking of crank sprocket, where's your huge bolt?

 

[dsmBear]

Something still looks off, unless it's the angle of the last picture (I thought I mentioned taking pictures straight on earlier ). The dowel in the crank sprocket should be at 3 o'clock when the engine is at TDC (meaning all timing marks are lined up) and when looked at straight on.

Since I can't see the crank timing mark, you'll want to look into that. Either the timing is still off or you're missing the woodruff key in the crank which aligns the trigger plate and sprocket properly.

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[miliman13]

Speaking of crank sprocket, where's your huge bolt?

its cocked to the left almost at 10 degrees BTDC or more,,,and WERE IS THE BOLT>?