98 Eagle Talon - "Onyx"

[talonxgirl]

Oh wow. It looks so beautiful! And it's driving! Yay!!! XD

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Haha thank you!

I've been meaning to update this for a week now to detail her being back on Jack stands for a short bearing change and such - but it started snowing. -.- And it's been snowing for days. So unfortunately I haven't been able to finish my work. As soon as the snow figures out it's spring an Effs off, we'll be good to roll.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Sadly I don't. =/ Guess an electronic gauge is in my near future. I don't like the idea of running hot oil into the cabin of my car.

Think electronic sender rather than hot oil bath.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

But isn't that good for the skin?!

 

[talonxgirl]

I know what you mean. I hate this weather. It's so insane. One day it's 80, the next it's 30. I'm really missing Chicago now. At least I knew what to expect up there.

 

[tomcat5157]

just read through this build. i love it! im hoping to tear the motor out of mine around november and rebuild it in the comfort of my warm garage.

 

[95talongirl]

Car looks amazing! . Sorry about the snow..... Thought you all would be immune to that silly white stuff that plagues the north.

 

[talonxgirl]

Car looks amazing! . Sorry about the snow..... Thought you all would be immune to that silly white stuff that plagues the north.

I miss Chicago's weather. At least up there the weather was predictable.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Update 10 :

Notes - Well it's been a little while since I've updated anything too much on the Talon. I've spent a lot of time letting her sit and starting her every day due to needing tires. Work and such has kept me far too busy to drive it up town to replace the tires, but they are rather bad so I'm even afraid to drive it that far.

A : I got into a situation with a friend who discovered that they had worn rod bearings. Good engine, no knocks, but the bearings were beginning to wear into the copper. This got me concerned so I took the Talon town, dropped the pan, and pulled my rod bearings. They were wearing very nicely, but number one showed a tad more wear than the rest and had a single area where copper was just starting to show. With a quick call to STM I picked up a set of Clevite 77's.

B : Before I took the Talon down, I had some lifter noise up top when reving that sounded like a collapsed lifter. Upon removal and inspection, one lifter had a pretty serious indention - looked like someone had accidentally pried on it in the past with a screw driver. I immediately ordered a replacement from Parts Dinosaur and installed it. I'll detail how I did that below (I submitted it as a tech article, so you'll read it in that format since I don't want to retype it. )

As most of us know, there are 3 methods to install your lifters, two of which are extremely fast and easy while the third involves removing your cam shafts completely. Let's focus on the popular alternative methods.

Alternative Method 1 :
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/265060-how-replace-lash-adjusters-lifters.html

Alternative Method 2 :
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/289034-diy-lash-adjuster-lifter-removal-tool.html

Alternative Method #1
involves prying up on the rocker to get it into it's seated location. While this is a decent method and I'm sure there are little to no concerns with it - I was far too scared of it slipping and me scarring the cam lobe.

Alternative Method #2
is about as good as it gets, but it involves a special tool, and if you don't have the availability to make one or order one, you're out of luck there. IN the video, it's shown exactly how easy this method is.

But let's say that you don't have a special tool, don't have time (or money for some reason) to order one, and you don't have the huevos to risk slamming a nice scar into the cam lobes. Welcome to Alternative Method #3

Alternative Method #3 :
is a simple and quick way to reinstall your lifters without the use of any special tools. So let's just skip straight to it. You've already removed your lifters, cleaned them, bled them, or simply purchased new ones and prepped them for install. So with that in mind and the lifters able to fully compress, It's time to get to work.

In this image you see that I have already dropped in a few lifters. You'll need to rotate the crank at the crank pulley to rotate the cam lobe humps away from the lifter seats in order to slide them in. Be very careful not to scrape the lifters against the cam lobes. I found it a little more calming to make sure the lifters and cam lobes were coated in oil to ensure easy install and lessen the possibility of any dry scrapes.

Now, once you have the lifters in and the cam lobe humps facing away from the lifters, put your rocker arm on the lifter and slide it forward towards the valve. Press down against the lifter and the tip of the rocker will slide up and into a "ready" position where it's sloped lip will be ready to 'slide' on. You will not be able to press it any further. Be sure that the lip of the rocker arm looks like the image and is not down against the valve top. You don't want to go digging into it.

Next, grab something with a solid backing - I used a Nut Driver as it has a natural ability to cup the back of the rocker. With the rocker arm in the "Ready" position, press the nut driver up firmly against the back of the rocker. Take a small hammer, or if you're man enough you can use your palm, and firmly tap the nut driver. Two to three times and you'll feel the rocker arm press forward, roll under the cam, open the valve just slightly, and viola! It's in place! I recommend using a rag to drape over the rockers just in case it goes elsewhere, however I did not have this issue as the rocker naturally guides itself onto the valve.

Once you're done your rocker should look like this. Notice how it is fully seated on the valve and the natural slope on the rocker has guided itself over the lip of the valve. Be sure to grab the rocker arm and wiggle it just in case.

Note that I did this with a set of dual valve spring installed and it was absolutely cake to install using this method. There are no scars, no scratches, and the rockers simply rolled themselves right into place with a couple of firm taps. Doing this in opposition of prying around with a crowbar/prybar, I feel, gives me a little more piece of mind that I'm not going to slip and slam a giant piece of iron into something that needs to be smooth.

Once you're finished, make sure everything is nice and clean, ensure you left nothing in the head, reinstall your valve cover, and have yourself a nice cold one!

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C : I got everything together and set - installed a new filter and some GTX 10W40 and she fired right up! After about 5 minutes of idling, I still have lifters tapping like crazy, so we'll see when that goes away. Hopefully on the next start up. If not, it's going to be an annoying short while waiting for the lifters to hush.

D : I was contacted by someone with some information regarding the rarity of 2GB talons. I believe you guys might enjoy this. Corey R. - There are only 2519 2Gb AWD Talons...and not all of those still exist.

The project:
http://www.dsmlink.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74212

The Live Result Charts:
http://goo.gl/ZkH0z

 

[talonxgirl]

You can knock two off that number. I sent two to the junkyard because the frames rotted out from under me. Stupid Chicago salt. >.< Hope you get the tires soon. I want to see it driving! XD

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

You can knock two off that number. I sent two to the junkyard because the frames rotted out from under me. Stupid Chicago salt. >.< Hope you get the tires soon. I want to see it driving! XD

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo~

Wait.. 2GB? ._.

I do too! I'm hoping to get it done this week, but who the heck knows.

 

[JS4G63]

You can knock two off that number. I sent two to the junkyard because the frames rotted out from under me. Stupid Chicago salt. >.< Hope you get the tires soon. I want to see it driving! XD

You wouldn't happen to still have the VINs handy would you? Old insurance card/bill, emissions test, etc?

If you do, PM them to me or fill out my data form so we can add them to the "deceased" category in my database

 

[2GbTalonGuy]

That is an interesting tid bit, Kei. That's even less than i thought. Makes me happy mine is in such nice shape, and has low miles.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Update 10.1



The intake is non-recriculated at current and I still haven't finished the Stainless Steel heatshield. Been sidetracked. But fear not, the replacement intake pipe is on it's way as well as a new spark plug cover. This is as she sits right now with new lifters and fresh Clevite Rod Bearings.

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

Great to see its running, Kei.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Where is the pic in post 189?

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Sorry about that - it's corrected now.

 

[talonxgirl]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo~

Wait.. 2GB? ._.

I do too! I'm hoping to get it done this week, but who the heck knows.

Yeah. Both 97 ESis. Chicago rust killed them both.

You wouldn't happen to still have the VINs handy would you? Old insurance card/bill, emissions test, etc?

If you do, PM them to me or fill out my data form so we can add them to the "deceased" category in my database

I might. I probably do somewhere.

It sounds great! What kind of exhaust is that? It sounds and looks a lot like the 3A I used to have on my old Christine.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Yeah. Both 97 ESis. Chicago rust killed them both.



I might. I probably do somewhere.

It sounds great! What kind of exhaust is that? It sounds and looks a lot like the 3A I used to have on my old Christine.

Nooo! You killed two of them! >.< Did you at least keep things like the bumpers?

The exhaust is a full 3" Apexi setup running off of a ported 2g Exhaust Manifold and Open Dump Stainless 02 Housing. I'm going to be fixing in a resonator with it to give it a slightly lower tone in the near future.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Figured I'd leave this here.

Next update is coming soon - Her first drive through town.

 

[TheFallenJosh]

Figured I'd leave this here.

Next update is coming soon - Her first drive through town.

Sexy!! Keep it up bro!

 

[talonxgirl]

Nooo! You killed two of them! >.< Did you at least keep things like the bumpers?

The exhaust is a full 3" Apexi setup running off of a ported 2g Exhaust Manifold and Open Dump Stainless 02 Housing. I'm going to be fixing in a resonator with it to give it a slightly lower tone in the near future.

No. >.< The idiot I put in charge of dealing with the wreckers while I was at work sent everything with the cars, even though I told him to strip them both of all valuable stuff. Only the stuff I had pulled before I left for work got saved. Pretty much just the stereo, speakers, badging, window controls, door panels, and the brand new deck lid I spent 400 on. But the deck lid got left behind when I moved cause it was too big to pack. I had tried selling it before I left, but I don't know what happened to it now. It never sold and I ran out of time. but at least I was able to save the door panels and controls. Toothless needs them badly.

Nice. I got an Apexi megaphone dunk that's going on soon. Just need to find an adapter for it.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Little Update :

Getting some videos and pictures together for everyone. We've come a long way.

1 : I had Chicken Patty help me with a base/driving tune for the Talon over Evoscan and ECU Flash.

2 : Replaced the Rod Bearings with Clevite 77's.

3 : Had a small scare. Power Steering belt Broke and somehow messed up my AC belt which began slapping and popping out of the grooves. Sounded JUST like a rod. Got that fixed, luckily.

4 : Gave her a first car wash. Was pretty exciting.

5 : I've been daily driving it! There are squeaks and noises here and there that I have to track down. can only imagine that there are worn out or stiff bushings that should loosen up after a bit of use.

6 : I have been tempted and gave in once or twice to letting her see 10psi on the 16g. She pulls like a freight train at 10.3afr and the open dump sounds spectacular. No launches.

7 : Clutch is doing fine, but I've noticed that during the first few minutes of driving it engages close to the floor. After it warms up, it begins engaging near the stock half-way point. I've bled it a couple of times but can't seem to get it sorted out. Kind of stumped on that one.

8 : I've put 200 miles on her as of today. No break downs, knocking, etc. Just good ole' running. Really loving it so far.

I promise that this next update will hold pictures and videos. I've just been caught up with this other Talon and the recent car wreck. =/ Waiting on medical settlements to finish with the insurance company from the other driver who decided he would run a stop sign and take out my Auto Talon the day after I got it running. Sad times.

 

[2GbTalonGuy]

Im glad you decided to keep it. If you sold it i was going to go down there and slap you.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

I just got mad at it one day. >> And what with the car wreck the medical bills now seem endless.