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theres a 1st gen guy that is jusmx (justin) friend that has ran high nines on a hx40

this NOT my log. here is a picture alex (boostdriven) asked me to post because his cell phone aint lettin him do it. this picture of this log is a 2.0L engine, 8.5-1 compression, 1G head 280* cams, HX52 in custom housing with a quick spool valve. blue line is boost, red line is back-pressure

*correction* KELFORD 272*s
 

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And Curt Brown ran a 9.87 @ 145.7 with the fp red. So...... Logs and dyno sheets dont mean shit.
 
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And Curt Brown ran a 9.87 @ 145.7 with the fp red. So...... Logs and dyno sheets dont mean shit.
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And if he had 2 Fp red turbos then he would have ran 4.935 @ 291.4 :) who gives a shit who ran what. What have you ran???

Those guys spend top dollar on all their shit so that little Fp red is just a contributing factor to why he ran that fast. You take that Fp red and put it on a bone stock dsm and see how fast it will run then, the same goes for any turbo out there. So before you go saying stupid shit like that think about what you think you know vs what you actually know.

Sure, let's take a 2.4L and crank up the compression to 11:1 throw some nice cams in it with a nice intake manifold combined with some race gas and some of the best tuning, that SOB will make 300 HP N/A so what does all this prove? Nothing!

We are not talking about all out race engine here but a good reliable 600 HP DD. There are a lot more turbos out there that will make that kind of power besides Fp or holset but that's not the point. You want to tell me that if you had 100 grand to blow off on a car you wouldn't ditch your car now and buy something like a supra or a skyline and build it to make over 1200 whp? I would ditch my eclipse! But not all of us have that kind of money that we would be willing to spend on something so unimportant to life as a car. It's a source of transportation for shit sake. I didn't build my car to be the fastest and the best, I built it for me and my liking, just like you built your car and I'm sure your not the fastest but who cares.
 
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Justin you're right but that's not what I'm talking about. Yes the housing does not change regardless of what wheel you put in it but what will change is how that housing will function with that wheel. Just like I took HX40 19cm housing and machined it to work for the HX52, yes its still stamped 19cm on it but it does not function like a 19cm that originally would have been made for HX52. Now if I was to take that 16cm of a HX52 and some how add material to it and make it fit the HX40 it will not function on the HX40 like a 16cm that originally was made for HX40, do you see what I'm saying.
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That's because you took a larger turbo and fit it into a smaller turbo's turbine housing, the same as fitting a GT40R into a 35R's .82 housing. Like I said before- a/r, much like trim, only applies to one series of turbo.
 
JusMX141 said:
My point is putting a larger turbine wheel into a certain a/r or cm2 housing does not change the housing's a/r or cm2.
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I know that and I already told you that I agree with that, but have you not read what I wrote in my long ass post? Even though my housing is stamped 19cm2 as it sits on my HX52 it does not function like a 19cm2 housing that was made for a HX52, that's my point. If holset made a smaller housing from the factory for that HX52 the number on the side of it would have be smaller the 16 and the physical size of it probably would have looked something like that 19cm I have on it now.

I'm not trying to argue with you man, arguing just gets us in to confrontations that I don't think neither of us want :)

BTW, you interested in the garrett T4 .84 housing I have, the one I machined to fit HX40? I have no use for it now. PM me if you know someone that could use it.
 
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And if he had 2 Fp red turbos then he would have ran 4.935 @ 291.4 :) who gives a shit who ran what. What have you ran???

Those guys spend top dollar on all their shit so that little Fp red is just a contributing factor to why he ran that fast. You take that Fp red and put it on a bone stock dsm and see how fast it will run then, the same goes for any turbo out there. So before you go saying stupid shit like that think about what you think you know vs what you actually know.

Sure, let's take a 2.4L and crank up the compression to 11:1 throw some nice cams in it with a nice intake manifold combined with some race gas and some of the best tuning, that SOB will make 300 HP N/A so what does all this prove? Nothing!

We are not talking about all out race engine here but a good reliable 600 HP DD. There are a lot more turbos out there that will make that kind of power besides Fp or holset but that's not the point. You want to tell me that if you had 100 grand to blow off on a car you wouldn't ditch your car now and buy something like a supra or a skyline and build it to make over 1200 whp? I would ditch my eclipse! But not all of us have that kind of money that we would be willing to spend on something so unimportant to life as a car. It's a source of transportation for shit sake. I didn't build my car to be the fastest and the best, I built it for me and my liking, just like you built your car and I'm sure your not the fastest but who cares.
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc]Michael Jackson - That's Ignorant - YouTube[/ame]
 
Unless they are sponsoring me, I don't understand fervent brand loyalty to a turbo manufacturer.

I've had Borg, Garrett, MHI and Holset and wouldn't hesitate to use any that match my needs for a given project.

For a 600whp turbo, I thoroughly enjoyed my S200sx-59 (74/64 turbine wheel) in all of its available housings.. bolt-on, T3 and T4.
 
Buy a Ball Bearing Black.

You know because I have mouths to feed.

-Michael
 
pyro719 said:
I think phunny ran a 10.5 @ 134mph on the fp red. Any of the holset guys in here run faster?
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Yes. 10.33 @ 136 and 10.37 @ 137 on a 6-blade HX-40. To me, it was still very much a street car when I drove it.
 
Also our private plane is expensive to fuel up.

-Michael
 
Boostdriven said:
Phunny can you please post a picture of the exhaust housing in the same position that you posted the compressor side, make sure it shows the exhaust wheel as well, thanks.
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Thanks phunny.

Question for Michael.
I know that clipping the exhaust wheel allows it to flow more but doesn't that take away from a surface area on the wheel requiring more drive pressure to maintain speed essentially maintaining boost? I haven't done any testing myself one vs the other so I'm asking.
 
phunny said:
Landspeed, I agree to a point, but I also like support those who support us.



Feed those kiddies!
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I'm stoked for you, now hurry up an bolt it up!! Theres no excuses to wait cause it's so easy to install :p
 

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phunny said:
Direct bolt on is sooo nice :). Should be on Wednesday, and within a week aster that she'll be on the dyno
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Right on man, despite of all the stuff I said about Fp turbos I hope you make more power then you expect.
I know I've asked you this before but since you didn't answer me the first time, I'm asking you again :) do you have a way to use a map sensor and log your drive pressure. I'm really curious to see what the pressure ratio (boost/drive pressure) is on those bolt on turbos, who knows we both might be surprised :)
 
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