513whp, Many Stock Parts

[definitiveno]

no, not a joke.

you are right though, a 60-1 is not much compared to that t-25 your packing....

I will agree to disagree with you on this one champ


I have seen many many many charts of big turbo's making broad power bands. Most charts ive seen with just about any turbo (from t25 to a gt35r) can ussually plataue for about 2.5-3 grand with peak power, than drop off occurs. I mean, i guess I could post a flurry of dyno sheets I have collected on my own hard drive from gt35r's, reds, greens, gt30's, gt 3575's, fp3065's that support my arguement, but I think I will let you chase them down for your self like i do.

Free world, think what you want.

 

[definitiveno]

I guess I could post just one.........bad definitiveno....bad


heres my bangin t25


comes on at 5k and still makin power........ (nevermind the darker line, that is pump gas, or low boost or some thing)

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[red91gst]

I will agree to disagree with you on this one champ


I have seen many many many charts of big turbo's making broad power bands. Most charts ive seen with just about any turbo (from t25 to a gt35r) can ussually plataue for about 2.5-3 grand with peak power, than drop off occurs. I mean, i guess I could post a flurry of dyno sheets I have collected on my own hard drive from gt35r's, reds, greens, gt30's, gt 3575's, fp3065's that support my arguement, but I think I will let you chase them down for your self like i do.

Free world, think what you want.

Please show me a GT35R that makes peak power at 2.5-3 grand and I will send you a free one.

Nate
SBR

 

[definitiveno]

Please show me a GT35R that makes peak power at 2.5-3 grand and I will send you a free one.

Nate
SBR

not at 2.5-3 grand, for 2.5 to 3 grand.



Look above, the turbo starts makin good power at 5k and it runs good for about 2.5 to 3k

what if it's on an 8 liter do I still get a free turbo?

 

[red91gst]

not at 2.5-3 grand, for 2.5 to 3 grand.



Look above, the turbo starts makin good power at 5k and it runs good for about 2.5 to 3k

what if it's on an 8 liter do I still get a free turbo?

Ahh, I see, I just cant read.

No, powerstrokes are not eligible

Nate
SBR

 

[gimmie11s]

I will agree to disagree with you on this one champ


I have seen many many many charts of big turbo's making broad power bands. Most charts ive seen with just about any turbo (from t25 to a gt35r) can ussually plataue for about 2.5-3 grand with peak power, than drop off occurs. I mean, i guess I could post a flurry of dyno sheets I have collected on my own hard drive from gt35r's, reds, greens, gt30's, gt 3575's, fp3065's that support my arguement, but I think I will let you chase them down for your self like i do.

Free world, think what you want.

if you know so much about the above mentioned turbos, why dont you run one?

the reason his power curve looks the way it does is hes running that 60-1 wheel with bascially a 7cm turbine housing. just as soon as the cold side comes on, the hot side is out of breath. it really doesnt matter if its a race car though. that curve can look just as "shitty" as it wants to. the fact is, with the right driver, that car is capable of high 10s.

 

[definitiveno]

if you know so much about the above mentioned turbos, why dont you run one?

I plan to, and I don't know really very much by comparison. I know how to change my plugs, my oil, and radiator fluid, i wouldn't consider myself any sort of expert, in anything, by any stretch. However from reading about results of other tuners it appears nate could have made better graphs with his setup, admitingly so by nate himself. What are we even talking about?

the reason his power curve looks the way it does is hes running that 60-1 wheel with bascially a 7cm turbine housing.

I thought it was because he had a "real" turbo?

 

[98talonAWD]

Nates wastegate was opening allowing massive amounts of air to leave the turbine housing. which by that happening take power/ enertia away from the turbine baldes and also loosing heat that makes a turbo run even better. Nate did damn good for what he had. and a bunch of you guys seem to be comparing to others cars when you really cant do that.

 

[coltboostin]

Nates wastegate was opening allowing massive amounts of air to leave the turbine housing. which by that happening take power/ enertia away from the turbine baldes and also loosing heat that makes a turbo run even better.

Welcome to the life of every wastegate. So your saying his wategate was doing his job, and whats your point?

 

[gimmie11s]

it is a "real" turbo.


the 60-1 is in fact a good piece. you cannot argue the effectivness of it. its been 9's countless times in it's numerous variations.

BTW, the 50 trim and the 60-1 are the ONLY two wheels from old t4 line that Garrett carried over to the GT series.


-d

 

[red91gst]

Welcome to the life of every wastegate. So your saying his wategate was doing his job, and whats your point?

Its was an internal gate and the spring pressure was not enough to hold the gate shut, causing it to blow open above 30psi. At that point its not controlling boost, atleast not controling it the way a wanted to, it wouldn't hold anything more than that, just spike and fall back.

Nate
SBR

 

[definitiveno]

he knows, he was just being funny to 98talonAWD for explaining to us how a wastegate works.

 

[98talonAWD]

well.. apparently some of you need to know how stuff works!

 

[definitiveno]

well.. apparently some of you need to know how stuff works!

thanks but no thanks

 

[ryu]

Yes, the stock ecu was pulling timing because of knock, but I still got alot of timing from the base timing being so far advanced.

Its all in the power switch.

Nate
SBR

what does that thing do?

 

[TTA89]

what does that thing do?

Is this a power switch to the knock sensor that interfers its signal to the ECU?

 

[red91gst]

Is this a power switch to the knock sensor that interfers its signal to the ECU?

Its the Cam Angle Sensor, CAS. Turning it to the right advances base timing. More timing = more power, to the point of excessive detonation.

Nate
SBR

 

[TTA89]

Yea i know that. I did not know if you had a power wire interfering its signal due to a false reading the ECU might see due to fordged pistons or valvetrain noise.

 

[gasguzzler]

BTW, the 50 trim and the 60-1 are the ONLY two wheels from old t4 line that Garrett carried over to the GT series.


-d

What is this information based off of? In many cases the 60-1 wheel has been replaced by the 61mm wheel from the GT35R.

Thanks,
Brian

 

[red91gst]

Yea i know that. I did not know if you had a power wire interfering its signal due to a false reading the ECU might see due to fordged pistons or valvetrain noise.

Nope, nothing special

Nate
SBR

 

[red91gst]

What is this information based off of? In many cases the 60-1 wheel has been replaced by the 61mm wheel from the GT35R.

Thanks,
Brian

The 60-1 got carried over to the GT series, using it in the -13 cartridge and the 50 trim is obviously still avalible. Also remember that trim is not a wheel size, but a ratio of wheel diameters.

Nate
SBR