2g n/t for a 1g awd turbo?

[New2Dsms]

Ok i need some quick opinions.....I went to this car lot today and looked at this 90 talon tsi awd turbo. I spoke with the owner and asked if he would do a straight trade for my 95 talon n/t for the 90 talon...I took a look at the 90 tsi and noticed that the exhuast system was all beat up and hanging there and it doesnt start...He said its not starting because the timing belt stretched or something like that....SO i told him if he got it running( put a new timing belt on) and fixed the exhuast id trade him(that is if everything sounds good when running) SO basicly my question to you all is should i trade? my car has 117k on it and ive been having alot of problems with my belts(take a look at my profile and read my belt threads if you havent yet) but other than that my car runs fine........Now the 90 tsi that im looking at it has 127k on it and also has a hks intake system and a manual boost controller that looks like it was never hooked up..I also took the intake off and stuck my finger into the turbine and there was no shaft play whatsoever so the turbo was definatley good, and i checked the whole car out jacked it up n all and everything was really good underneath and the interior looks like a brand new car haha i was surprised......SO what do u guys think i shold do?????

Heres what it looks like.....

 

[dsmmyth]

I would.

 

[ShadowWulf]

Heh, thats what im trying to do, im looking to trade my 2G n/t for a 1g as well....


Good luck, but check the timing belt and make sure it didnt break, if it did then the motor is going to be pretty well hosed. As for "streatching"...ive never heard of a belt doing that before.

 

[New2Dsms]

yeah i havent drove it yet because it doesnt start right now so im not really sure too sure whats up with it, lets say the timing belt only jumped a couple of teeth or whatever, it would still be fine wouldnt it? Just as long as it didnt snap?....But the guy at the lot said he would get it running by this friday or saturday, So when he does get it running im goin to make sure everything is mechanically fine on it and if it is shes mine

 

[thelanceman]

When I bought my '95 GS, I had the option of the 2GNT or a '90 GSX. I wonder all the time if I made a huge mistake. The GSX had been kept well by a friend who was the only owner. She had a new clutch installed in it and all. The price was about the same for both cars too, but I went with the 2GNT cause it was a much sexier car. Not much out there rivals the 2G looks and I can add performance as money allows.

I know you said you were having problems with your 2G. Do you think you will have less or more with a 1G?? I can honestly see you going either way with it though... what you have to ask yourself is what matters more to you... is this car going to be your daily driver or just a toy?? Do you crave looks or performance??


If you are bent on going fast on the cheap, then the TSi AWD is the way to go. Another thing is looks are subjective, for the age of the platform, the smooth curves of the 2G just can't be beat to me... the only other comparable car in the picture to me is the Supra and late 300Z.

And after typing all this, the only thing I couldn't decide for myself and kept bugging me is... FWD sucks... if you are truly serious about future performance, then either go with the AWD or another car altogether... thats just my two cents....

 

[New2Dsms]

yeah im all about performance......THnx for your opinion though.

 

[doug684]

I too was faced with this option. Mine wasn't equal though. 92 Talon TSI for $1200 stock or 96 Eclipse GS with exhaust and header for $4200. Well I went with the 96. I have wanted one of these cars since I was 15. They are hard to find in this area, and in good shape are really rare.

Also like he said is this your daily driver? That was another factor in my decision. The AWD has a lot more down time (correct me if I am wrong).

 

[igopoopy]

it probably has bent valves(thats how i got mine for only $300)

 

[New2Dsms]

I too was faced with this option. Mine wasn't equal though. 92 Talon TSI for $1200 stock or 96 Eclipse GS with exhaust and header for $4200. Well I went with the 96. I have wanted one of these cars since I was 15. They are hard to find in this area, and in good shape are really rare.

Also like he said is this your daily driver? That was another factor in my decision. The AWD has a lot more down time (correct me if I am wrong).

Yeah the awd would be my daily driver if i get it....I know the tsi would not be anywhere near as reliable as the talon ive got right now(if i were to get the belt issues fixed) But i am willing to sacrifice the looks/reliability over performance hoping if i do get the tsi i will try to do every step in prevenative mainteance i can to avoid future problems

 

[GSGoinFast]

Yeah the awd would be my daily driver if i get it....I know the tsi would not be anywhere near as reliable as the talon ive got right now(if i were to get the belt issues fixed) But i am willing to sacrifice the looks/reliability over performance hoping if i do get the tsi i will try to do every step in prevenative mainteance i can to avoid future problems

not starting cuz the timing belt stretched? sounds a little fishy to me. if he gets it running i would go for it

 

[JST2FST]

for the age of the platform, the smooth curves of the 2G just can't be beat to me... the only other comparable car in the picture to me is the Supra and late 300Z.

What about a 3rd gen RX-7, the car came out in 1993 and imo looks better than both the Supra and 300Z.
And if the guy can get the TSI AWD to run, i would trade for it (i love flip-up lights)

 

[thelanceman]

The 3rd Generation RX-7 totally slipped my mind or I would have mentioned it. It is another damn sexy car way ahead of its time. The only problem with that is the RX-7 is even more rare than the Supra and 300Z... I just can't see someone trading thier 2GNT for a 1G GSX getting ahold of a RX-7 in decent shape, not for the same price anyway.

If you are serious about going fast on the cheap, then a 1G GSX is the way to go. They are still plentiful, not too pricey, and pack a mean punch. If I had more money to spend though I would go with the late Supra, 300z, RX-7, or a 2G GSX.

 

[New2Dsms]

Cool havent had one person on here say they wouldnt trade for it....SO it looks like im goin to go for the trade if he gets it running, thnx for ur opinions ill keep you all posted ....As for a late model supra(speaking of supras a 95 pearl white supra came into work today and i did an oil change on it..hehe when i drove it out woohooo it was sweeeeet),rx7,or300z shhhhhhh i wish i can afford one of them but i work at wally world doin oil changes n tires only making 8.80 haha im not a doctor with a p.h.d

 

[White97eclipse]

I personally love my 2gnt. Even though im only runnin 5lbs of boost and would get destroyed by any awd turbo, I would stick with my 2gnt.

 

[bullettdsm]

Well I just picked up an 94 AWD with a bad tranny (pulled it, having rebuilt). I'm not sure why I put that in; I guess I just wanted to tell someone . But anyway, I'll have the best of both worlds. As for the Talon, why not hope that he spent the valves and can't get it fixed. Then you can jump in and maybe get it on the cheap or possibly trade for car with money. If it is just head work you can do that (with the help of this site if necessary). (I don't believe the stretched belt story) I don't know just a thought.
MB

 

[Denji]

The 3rd Generation RX-7 totally slipped my mind or I would have mentioned it. It is another damn sexy car way ahead of its time. The only problem with that is the RX-7 is even more rare than the Supra and 300Z... I just can't see someone trading thier 2GNT for a 1G GSX getting ahold of a RX-7 in decent shape, not for the same price anyway.

If you are serious about going fast on the cheap, then a 1G GSX is the way to go. They are still plentiful, not too pricey, and pack a mean punch. If I had more money to spend though I would go with the late Supra, 300z, RX-7, or a 2G GSX.

Around here you see 2 or 3 3rd gen rx-7s to every supra.

 

[eltracer]

Dan don’t believe the "stretching belt story" bull shi t . The belt did not stretch and if it jumped teeth then some if not all the valves bent. I know because it happened to me. If the valves are bend just have the head rebuilt or buy a working one cheap. Have a friend swap the head. Its very easy I did it my self with just a manual. Don’t forget to tension the Timing belt correctly or you will be sorry.

 

[New2Dsms]

Ok heres an update..its now sunday evening and i still have my 95n/t....SO the guy with the talon tsi said the timing belt is good and its a bad head gasket....HE said hes goin to replace it for me and should be done by wed, friday at the latest..What do you guys think, he really wants my 95 n/t.

 

[Redmachine]

Personally it sounds kind of funny. Yes you should be able to trade strait up for a 1g BUT, it sounds like there might be more serious problems under the surface that you are not seeing. Please be careful, I'd hate to see anyone taken for a ride, especially a fellow dsm'r

 

[Below Ambient]

my first reply was going to be hell no... then i looked at some of your other posts and i was like double hell no..

you're gonna be working on this AWD all the time... they are fast though... but your car is worth so much more moneywise...id keep looking or you could do what i did... sell your N/T in the paper or as much as its worth and go on the lookout for a better AWD car...

 

[FireyIce01]

Why don't you ask him how much he wants for it with the blown HG and buy it off of him, put a nice rebuilt head on it with a new gasket and keep your NA car for a daily driver?

 

[eltracer]

Why don't you ask him how much he wants for it with the blown HG and buy it off of him, put a nice rebuilt head on it with a new gasket and keep your NA car for a daily driver?

 

[New2Dsms]

my first reply was going to be hell no... then i looked at some of your other posts and i was like double hell no..

you're gonna be working on this AWD all the time... they are fast though... but your car is worth so much more moneywise...id keep looking or you could do what i did... sell your N/T in the paper or as much as its worth and go on the lookout for a better AWD car...

:laugh: Yeah its true what youre saying, But theyre really rare out here and my car is also aint the most reliable thing either...

 

[New2Dsms]

Why don't you ask him how much he wants for it with the blown HG and buy it off of him, put a nice rebuilt head on it with a new gasket and keep your NA car for a daily driver?

Hmmm i never thought about that....But then again i dont have the cash for to buy another car and no room to park 2 cars....

 

[New2Dsms]

"News update" haha I spoke with the guy thats selling the car and he said that he got the head off saturday and brought the head to a shop to get resurfaced before he puts the headgasket on. He said the timing belt was perfectly intact and fine but was just about to break so hes replacing that for me too. So everything thing shold be done by tommorow(according to him)..