1G radiator in a 2G? [merged 5/08]

[MidnightGST 46]

Will a 1st gen radiator fit a 2nd gen the reson Im asking is because I got a Dn performance manifold part # dnp 37 and it is in the way of the upper radiator hose . The manifold was designed for a 1g and they dont tell you this until you already have it and it doesnt fit.




MOD EDIT: They are the same size (dimensionally), but are not directly interchangeable. However, it can be made to fit with little modfication. See post #28 for more details.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Not sure about the first question, but for the second part yes there are 2g radiators for the spyder. However in that pic you posted for the spyder gs the upper intake hose has to be slightly modified as such:

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sorry i should have been more clear. my question was why don't ppl just buy a all aluminum spyder radiator for their 4g63? the radiator hose wouldn't be in the way of the intake if you used the radiator with a 4g63. which is what will most likely be what ends up in that spyder

 

[Funfettie]

Im guessing its because 1G radiators are more available. I actually havnt seen a spyder radiator for sale, but i guess I havnt looked. haha

 

[fourgsixthree33]

Not sure about the first question, but for the second part yes there are 2g radiators for the spyder. However in that pic you posted for the spyder gs the upper intake hose has to be slightly modified as such:

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Where did you get that thermostat housing? Nevermind, its from a Spyder.

I am not going to read through this entire thread, but I have a 1G radiator in my 2G. All I did was cut those rubber things off the bottom of the radiator. Dropped right in, used the 2G lower hose and 1G upper hose.

More room, and the upper hose is further away from the heat.

Free mod.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Where did you get that thermostat housing? Nevermind, its from a Spyder.

I am not going to read through this entire thread, but I have a 1G radiator in my 2G. All I did was cut those rubber things off the bottom of the radiator. Dropped right in, used the 2G lower hose and 1G upper hose.

More room, and the upper hose is further away from the heat.

Free mod.

Ok ill bring it to you then. What I was saying was why not use a 2g spyder radiator instead of a 1g? I know the reason for a 1g rad ina 2g. The spyder rad upper, hose I believe is,a lil farther over than the 1g rad. Itd be just as cheap mod as,doing a,1g rad and it drops in. no cutting your rubbers or anything.

 

[99gst_racer]

Is there such thing as a Spyder-specific radiator? (I've never looked for one) And if there is, is it just as affordable and plentiful as the 1G aluminum radiators? If the answer to either of these is 'no', then it's just best to do the simple modification to the 1G radiator.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Is there such thing as a Spyder-specific radiator? (I've never looked for one) And if there is, is it just as affordable and plentiful as the 1G aluminum radiators? If the answer to either of these is 'no', then it's just best to do the simple modification to the 1G radiator.

Yes there is. The spyder has the top radiator house all the way to far passenger side of the radiator. Its over father than the 1g rad.

Is it plentiful? Stock maybe I'm sure not as many private owned all aluminum radiators out there spyder specific. I'm sure you can get then though. Stock spyder radiator new is 75$. Used it would probably be cheaper since its not as wanted (yet anyways) as the 1g. Unless your buying from someone who its just,a rad to them. Then itd be the same price as a 1g. Ill see if I can dig up some all aluminum ones.

Go back a few and look at the pic I posted from the spyder I'm buying

 

[99gst_racer]

Sorry, I meant to say Spyder-specific aftermarket aluminum radiator - for the people that need to be able to weld to the radiator.

The stock one definitely seems to be a viable option for moving the upper hose though.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Doesn't seem to be a specific aluminum one. But when searching for it I stumbled over a, site that makes custom radiators. https://wizardcooling.com/?gclid=CLra1vKp7rACFaNeTAodTQSKvg

So for those making high hp builds instead of buying and welding to a radiator you can just get all dimensions and attachments you want, tell them , and get a custom rad built exactly how you want.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

But mishimoto sells 1g style radiators for 2gs anyway so I dont see why you would buy a 1g rad aluminum or not unless its was just a good deal

 

[fourgsixthree33]

Ok ill bring it to you then. What I was saying was why not use a 2g spyder radiator instead of a 1g? I know the reason for a 1g rad ina 2g. The spyder rad upper, hose I believe is,a lil farther over than the 1g rad. Itd be just as cheap mod as,doing a,1g rad and it drops in. no cutting your rubbers or anything.

Cutting rubbers is the fun part!

So, maybe the Spyder radiator has an upper hose that's EVEN FURTHER over on the passenger side (as if you even need more room than what the 1G radiator offers)? There will still most likely be some kind of modification needed.

The hoses are different being that the thermostat housing is different.

Just get the 1G radiator and cut the rubbers! Cheap, more available, and from a 1G<3

 

[99gst_racer]

But mishimoto sells 1g style radiators for 2gs anyway

Link?

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Cutting rubbers is the fun part!

So, maybe the Spyder radiator has an upper hose that's EVEN FURTHER over on the passenger side (as if you even need more room than what the 1G radiator offers)? There will still most likely be some kind of modification needed.

The hoses are different being that the thermostat housing is different.

Just get the 1G radiator and cut the rubbers! Cheap, more available, and from a 1G. """

No, why would you need to modify a 2g rad to fit a 2g? If you bought a spyder radiator for your 4g63 you would simply your original hoses.

Its wasn't the point that its EVEN FURTHER over than the 1g. It was the point of drop in upgrade no mod needed.

Spyder radiator is same price as 1g maybe cheaper? + no modification = cleaner car.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Link?

http://www.proimporttuners.com/part...a=X&ei=miTsT-KkMYaC2gXl3Z2sAQ&ved=0CFgQgwgwAQ

 

[99gst_racer]

1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse Mishimoto Aluminum Racing Radiator

That's just a generic image they're using. It doesn't represent what you actually receive. Online parts places have been doing that since the beginning of the internet. It also shows a filler on top, which a DSM doesn't have. If you search for Mishimoto radiators on eBay, you can even find them for 1G Spyders.

I've searched for an aluminum Spyder radiator and I can't find one. And even if one did exist, I doubt it would be priced even close to the $160 that I paid for my 1G Mishimoto radiator. So for anyone that needs to weld to the radiator for any reason, using the 1G radiator is still the best and most affordable option. The required modifications are underneath the car, so it isn't even seen, and only take about 5 minutes with an A/C welder, so it's really no hassle either.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

That's just a generic image they're using. It doesn't represent what you actually receive. Online parts places have been doing that since the beginning of the internet. It also shows a filler on top, which a DSM doesn't have. If you search for Mishimoto radiators on eBay, you can even find them for 1G Spyders.

I've searched for an aluminum Spyder radiator and I can't find one. And even if one did exist, I doubt it would be priced even close to the $160 that I paid for my 1G Mishimoto radiator. So for anyone that needs to weld to the radiator for any reason, using the 1G radiator is still the best and most affordable option. The required modifications are underneath the car, so it isn't even seen, and only take about 5 minutes with an A/C welder, so it's really no hassle either.

Oh ok yeah I guess your right. And yeah, haha I seen the,1g, spyder radiator., haha I was like :wtf:

so to be clear, because in this thread it says both change the top brackets and some the bottom. Some, say bottom drops in and just stretch top rubbers. If you laid one radiator on top of, another what is the actual difference in the location dowels?

 

[99gst_racer]

so to be clear, because in this thread it says both change the top brackets and some the bottom. Some, say bottom drops in and just stretch top rubbers. If you laid one radiator on top of, another what is the actual difference in the location dowels?

It's just the bottom that needs to be modified. The dowel spacing on the 1G is 15.5" and the dowel spacing on the 2G is 16.5". So you just have to cut them off and weld them back on 1/2" over. And that's it. The upper brackets don't fit perfectly, but it's close enough. I didn't need to make any other changes to fit a 1G radiator in my 2G.

 

[jcart953]

Just for clarity whats the big difference from using a 1g radiator from a 2g radiator (aftermarket)? Is it somehow better cooling efficiency? I ask because you state you paid 160 for your 1g aftermarket and I paid 190ish form my 2g aftermarket Mishimoto radiator. Granted since I have a spyder gs I had to pay an additional 15 bucks for material to modify the upper piping(if lazy just flip the t-stat housing around and pay nothing) however if someone has a spyder gst this shouldn't be a concern. Now you state you have to weld the bottom which depending on shop cost plus travel time can cost what anywhere between 5-$50?

Therefore price-wise I see no major significance over the other, so whats the advantage or purpose of this 1g radiator?

 

[99gst_racer]

I originally switched to the 1G radiator because my T4 header and wastegates were in the path of the upper hose with a centered outlet 2G radiator. With the 1G radiator, it fit great. This is the only reason I went with the 1G radiator. PIC
It's also worth noting that the only radiator hose modification required here was to cut off about 4" from a 1G hose.

And a year later, I have to modify it again with some AN stuff to clear a turbo (which I wouldn't have been able to do with a stock radiator for any model). PIC

The weld labor is definitely dependent on who you are, who you know, and where you live. Many of us have welders of our own or have friends with welders to knock it out for a couple beers.

 

[jcart953]

I originally switched to the 1G radiator because my T4 header and wastegates were in the path of the upper hose with a centered outlet 2G radiator. With the 1G radiator, it fit great. This is the only reason I went with the 1G radiator. PIC
It's also worth noting that the only radiator hose modification required here was to cut off about 4" from a 1G hose.

And a year later, I have to modify it again with some AN stuff to clear a turbo (which I wouldn't have been able to do with a stock radiator for any model). PIC

Ah I see thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

stillen makes an aluminum rad for the spyder:

STILLEN : STILLEN Premium High-Performance Aluminum Radiator

Its only 1-row though

 

[99gst_racer]

stillen makes an aluminum rad for the spyder:

STILLEN : STILLEN Premium High-Performance Aluminum Radiator

Its only 1-row though

That's cheaper than I thought it would be, being a Stillen part.

But I wonder why it shows a filler on top?

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

That's cheaper than I thought it would be, being a Stillen part.

But I wonder why it shows a filler on top?

Maybe its just how they make them? Though it says picture may be representative?

 

[boosted99_420]

this was an epic revival a while back . But i put a 1g rad in my old 2g that had a DNP manifold and the way the 2g ran it was so close to the manifold it made the coolant get so hot the car ran hot so i put a 1g rad from a 1.8 in it and cut the 2g hoses to fit and never went past half way after that.

 

[jcart953]

But I wonder why it shows a filler on top?

I was wondering the same thing not to mention there seems to be no lower hose mount location unless I'm blind or something. I see drain plug, but no lower hose, either way hope thats not the real product.

 

[99gst_racer]

It's just not the right pic for the description. There's physically no room for a filler on the top of the radiator on any 2G.

That really grinds my gears though. Especially coming from a manufacturer. Seriously, how difficult is it to show an actual image of the product that you're producing and selling? Laziness...