1g front end?

[dsmBear]

Is there a front end removal guide? No not the bumper I had an accident and messed up the headlight, quarter panel, and side mount inter cooler mounts. Found a perfect condition part out, same year. As you can see there's mangled metal. I was wondering if it is possible to to remove that front metal section.

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Also overall what do you think of the damage?

 

[92AWDHX40]

Removal guide I would say anyway you can ive seen my 1g damaged from front to rear, but the body shop fixed it. I would find another 1g shell.

 

[dsmBear]

Removal guide I would say anyway you can ive seen my 1g damaged from front to rear, but the body shop fixed it. I would find another 1g shell.

I'm not going to get another shell just for that one little section... Just wondering if I could remove that portion.

 

[92AWDHX40]

With some cutting im sure but seems like some work, but im sure it can be fixed again my dsm was damaged worst than that but body shop fixed it on my first dsm.

 

[Mike02rt]

It's not a bolt on-off situation. You can cut that corner portion off and weld on the corner from the parts car. Although fitment will be difficult.
For most, a new clean shell would be the best option.

 

[SaulHudson]

That's not bad at all.
I would try to pull it out first, weld a hook on their and winch it or something,
Cut and weld it if needed, I would brace it with a .040 or .050 angle too.

 

[dsmBear]

That's not bad at all.
I would try to pull it out first, weld a hook on their and winch it or something,
Cut and weld it if needed, I would brace it with a .040 or .050 angle too.

What do you mean? Like what exactly would I could that area? And what do you mean brace

 

[91-GS]

Usually when pulling parts or dents, you try to undo the damage that the wreck caused by doing the opposite of what happened. In other words, if something hit a body panel perpendicular to the surface, you would pull perpendicular as well.

Gonna let SaulHudson explain it some more since he's the one who brought it up

Looking at it again, it seems like IC support is really messed up, so would be better to go ahead and chop the bad section off and replace it with a good one from another car. Arm yourself with a metal saw of your choice and go for it. Measure twice, cut once, and keep cut lines simple so it's easier to match. Even better solution would be to drill out existing spot welds and separate parts that way, plug-welding them later. Make sure you use either a special bit made for this purpose or a good regular bit since this is very tough steel that will easily dull cheaper bits. Prior to welding pieces back on you can use the new straight fender to help you position the parts in the right place. Bolt fender to the car, align it with hood and other panels, then bolt the piece to it as well to hold it in place while you tack-weld it. That way everything will fit when it's all finished.

 

[dsmBear]

That's not bad at all.
I would try to pull it out first, weld a hook on their and winch it or something,
Cut and weld it if needed, I would brace it with a .040 or .050 angle too.

What do you mean? Like what exactly would I could that area? And what do you mean brace

 

[Mischif]

By brace he means reinforce it with some angle steel that is .04 or .05 inch thick.

Yea your not going to find a guide on how to repair that. Its either cut it out and weld in a new portion, or bend everything back the best you can.

What i would do is bend the top head light mount section back as best as i could. Cut out everything around the intercooler. Then use either some 16 guage or 1/8" thick plate metal and and make "L" brakets to attach the intercooler. This would probably be the easiest way to fix this although probably not the best way to do it.

 

[dsmBear]

Found a full shell about 5 miles away. I'm pretty sure that area is the radiator support right? So I could just go chop one off and reweld it right?

 

[92AWDHX40]

That's what I would do.

 

[dsmBear]

That's what I would do.

There a guide anywhere for that?

 

[92AWDHX40]

No I would grab some books and begin to look into what is needed to do bodywork, most of It is getting the tools, and making a plan of what you want to do.

 

[SaulHudson]

I suggest pulling it because some people are really hesitant to cut and weld in a new support. There should be no hesitation because a weld with proper penetration and thickness is stronger than the metal it is binding.
However with the pulling, it's just something to try if you don't want to cut and weld, it may not work, but if I were to do it I would weld a hook on a firm part of the edge and use a winch to pull it. You want to pu the metal back out straight not the car though. I suggest bracing it because bent metal is weakened on the creases and is likely to crack.

 

[cmfd]

bring it to a body shop and have them pull it. or bust out the comealong and tree. it dosent look like it got into the crush areas. use a buddys car or another to measure and straighten urs out. ive straightened wors in my shop wit a comealong and porta power

 

[dsmBear]

I suggest pulling it because some people are really hesitant to cut and weld in a new support. There should be no hesitation because a weld with proper penetration and thickness is stronger than the metal it is binding.
However with the pulling, it's just something to try if you don't want to cut and weld, it may not work, but if I were to do it I would weld a hook on a firm part of the edge and use a winch to pull it. You want to pu the metal back out straight not the car though. I suggest bracing it because bent metal is weakened on the creases and is likely to crack.

So brace it, then winch it out?

 

[SaulHudson]

No, brace after its repaired.

 

[dsmBear]

alright so weld on a hook.. but you cant really mig weld sheet metal, it just welds through, and then id have a random hook stuck to it. Also i circled areas (except green circles) where best points to put hook on and pull. Also, it seems to have been bent at a downward motion as well...The green circles is crushed mangled sheet metal, what would i do? seems like its near impossible to fix that. (p.s., thanks for the info, helping me out a lot) a

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[SaulHudson]

Go easy on the penetration, you can grind the hook off after and smooth it out with a sanding pad.
It's really hard to judge from the pic where to pull from, if I had to give an answer I would say the area in between the two green circles closest but I'm not sure you can get all of the damage out from using that area. You'll have to pull the majority then use a ball peen hammer, if you are scared of breaking stuff with the hammer( you should t be the steel on the body is pretty would) you can use wood as a forming block on the back side of where you are hitting, I would just got at the areas circled with a good sized ball peen Hammer.

Not to be critical but this is tempered metal you aren't going to rip the car apart. I understand you may not have done it before and maybe nervous to take a hammer to your car but I assure you yourcar will survive. Just think of it as you are undoing what's done. Keep I'm mind , you will not get it perfect but you can get pretty close.

 

[dsmBear]

Go easy on the penetration, you can grind the hook off after and smooth it out with a sanding pad.
It's really hard to judge from the pic where to pull from, if I had to give an answer I would say the area in between the two green circles closest but I'm not sure you can get all of the damage out from using that area. You'll have to pull the majority then use a ball peen hammer, if you are scared of breaking stuff with the hammer( you should t be the steel on the body is pretty would) you can use wood as a forming block on the back side of where you are hitting, I would just got at the areas circled with a good sized ball peen Hammer.

Not to be critical but this is tempered metal you aren't going to rip the car apart. I understand you may not have done it before and maybe nervous to take a hammer to your car but I assure you yourcar will survive. Just think of it as you are undoing what's done. Keep I'm mind , you will not get it perfect but you can get pretty close.

Yeah i understand I'm going to winich it out with a come along and ball pin it the rest of the way.

 

[Hillala]

The best thing to do, really. Take it to a good shop and have them put it up on a frame rack. Not only can they pull it out for you there, they'll make sure the damage didn't twist anything that you can't see by just looking at it. I worked at a shop in ATL on a genesis frame rack, had a few cars come in that looked just like yours (the damage) doesn't look all that bad but when you got to the back of the car, it was off by an inch and you wouldn't have known by looking.

It only takes a few minutes to set it up and pull it out, you should be able to stand there and watch them do it, keeps them honest (some shops will adjust the sensor with a block of wood so they don't have to pull it out) Most shops charge around 80-100 an hour for their frame rack. That job takes no more then two hours at a extreme but it's well work it when it comes to anything like this.

 

[dsmBear]

The best thing to do, really. Take it to a good shop and have them put it up on a frame rack. Not only can they pull it out for you there, they'll make sure the damage didn't twist anything that you can't see by just looking at it. I worked at a shop in ATL on a genesis frame rack, had a few cars come in that looked just like yours (the damage) doesn't look all that bad but when you got to the back of the car, it was off by an inch and you wouldn't have known by looking.

It only takes a few minutes to set it up and pull it out, you should be able to stand there and watch them do it, keeps them honest (some shops will adjust the sensor with a block of wood so they don't have to pull it out) Most shops charge around 80-100 an hour for their frame rack. That job takes no more then two hours at a extreme but it's well work it when it comes to anything like this.

I don't know any shops that have one around here :O

 

[GSLENK]

Let me google that for you :0

I am sure YOU don't know. But I bet GOOGLE knows!

Now go down link by link, dial the sequence of numbers you find into a telephone and ask for something called an "Estimate". If they tell you they only do those in person, ask if you can send some pictures by email. A few shops will respond with an estimate that way.

Be sure to ask about price per hour, and any guarantees about their work.

Then decide.