11's or Nothing (14b record new setup)

[pboglio]

'Getting creative'
That's the point of sticking with a stock turbo, you have to use your brain and come up with other ways to go fast. It's easy to reach into the wallet and buy more HP, but HP isn't the only way to be fast.

With that said, I sure do enjoy my GT35!

Yep, agreed, I've been there. But at some point you need to spend "some" money. Could just be spending $80 to buy some high octane race fuel to bump up the boost. I have a goal of pulling 350 w.h.p. out of my
current T28 turbo and I have no doubt its going to cost money to get there, diminishing returns is a bi***

To be creative and do things right, sometimes you have to spend money. For instance, I had a VPC laying around from my 91 GS Eclipse and I decided to slap it onto my 97 GSX since it has always proven to be a power adder on 1g's. A very uncommon mod for 2g's but I knew what a properly tuned VPC setup could do. If you want to over extend a small compressor, arguably nothing is better than removing restriction in front of it. You get more boost out of it, and the wastegate can open up a bit more and reduce turbine backpressure at the same time.

But I spent the cash to buy the e-prom and 2g harness to do it right. That was probably a cash outlay of $250. Was it worth it? Heck yeah It on average added 25 h.p. to the top end on my 2g and extended my horsepower peak up another 250 rpm. Some mods work, others don't and in the end there is some money wasted trying out combinations.

Stripping weight obviously makes a car faster and there is certainly a level of "creativity" in doing it in a clean fashion, but it by far is not rocket science. It's not "my" philosophy for a street car, however I wouldn't be opposed to it when my car converts over to a road racing setup.

Here's a log of my "small" turbo, T28 @ 22 psi/92 octane pump gas/bottle of octane booster/stock weight 2g AWD. Ignore the airflow numbers, the HKS VPC speed density is under representating airflow by about 8 lb/min requiring a massive fuel correction in DSMLINK to prevent from leaning way the heck out:

 

[Phil1320]

Definitely true. Once you exhaust all FREE mods and normal standard bolt ons, you will have to spend "some" money. Not only money, but, more time as well. This is one reason I started to take the route of weight reduction. And, yes, creative thinking along the way does help. I used to do alot of "small things" such as indexing spark plugs, etc. Even if it didn't help mechanically, psychologically it made me feel as though I had covered all possible angles in my quest for more speed. A decade ago I didn't have that extra stash of cash or had other hobbies that I needed to balance out with the DSM. Probably a good thing though or I would have otherwise most likely dropped the cash back then and been on a larger turbo very fast instead of keeping the 14b on the car for this long. I have not built a motor yet and that's where some decent money spending is needed. I have put money in the suspension, but it was well worth it. Anyway, The first 2 or so seconds I dropped in 1/4 ET....14.85 down to about 12.49 were with minimal investment. From 12.49 down to 12.00 there was much more done for that .5 seconds than in dropping the first two.


Phil

 

[rrussell]

Hello to all my fellow dsmers or there. I have decided that I will be going after the 14b AWD record. The fastest i've ever been with a 14b is 12.8 @104 at capitol raceway in Maryland a few years back. Recently with all the buzz over Phil trying to get into the 11s again, touched me. Phil was only running 12.50s when I 1st heard about him. So when Nate from dsmotorsport.com ran 11.70s and then 11.40s, it gave me an idea. After running bigger turbo's, I'm excited to finally have the chance to try this out. My only true fear is that the ACT 2600 will not hold the power. My setup includes...............


Block
1 Y.O built
Eagle Rods (big bolts)
J/E pistons 8.5 to 1
No balance shafts

HEAD

4 Y.O mildly ported/polished 1G head
1mm over stainless valves
3 angle valve job
272/272 HKS Cams
Aem Cam Gears (Dailed In)
EXHAUST SIDE

Ported 2g Manifold w/HKS 40mm RACEGATE
Stock 14b 80k+ w/Ported 7cm turbine housing
HRC 3inch o2 Eliminator
ATR 3inch Catback

Dejan tool 3inch intake w/2G mass and 1g K&N filter
Dejan tool J-Pipe 1.75 to 2.5
Slowboy Racing Street Frontmount Kit
Lightly massaged 1G intake manifold
FUEL SYSTEM

FIC 750cc Injecters
Aeromotive Regulator set to 45 PSI
-6AN lines in Engine Bay
REWIRED Walbro HP 255


NITROUS KIT

NX DP Rail system kit
All Re did with all dash 4 lines
Gen X2 system purge, bottle heater, and blow down tube
Custom 1 Gallon Fuel Cell for nitrous
Aeromotive 700 efi pump for nitrous
Aeromotive Carburated regulator for nitrous set to 8psi
-8an Lines for Nitrous Fuel System

*NITROUS JETS WILL BE SET FOR THE 175 SHOT SETTING*


All will be controlled by DSMLINK, it just works well.

Tuning aids are AEM Wideband, Greedy boost and EGT gauges w/TRE probe.

I know I'm bringing this back from the dead, but I just wanted to say good luck. I'm sure you will get there after looking at your mod list.

I too hope to be in the 10's next year with my sleeper 16g. I know my car had a 11.3 in it with a better tire. Oh well thats racing

 

[rhamlinii]

I know I'm bringing this back from the dead, but I just wanted to say good luck. I'm sure you will get there after looking at your mod list.

I too hope to be in the 10's next year with my sleeper 16g. I know my car had a 11.3 in it with a better tire. Oh well thats racing

You didn't bring the thread back from the dead. I was just waiting until it became warmer before I attempted to to update everyone on the progress. I have decided to get rid of the AWD car, and run a FWD car. Alot of my close friends have told me that i'm shooting myself in the foot. Truth is all I need is a decent 60ft and a killer 330 time, and I believe I can get 1.7s or better with an fwd car with seat time. The entire setup has already started to be switched over, and I already started to lighten the FWD car. Truth is that at this power level with the 14b and then nitrous, the 400 pound weight break is worth more to me then AWD. The car will however wear DOT Bias plys cheater slicks up front. Depending on how it runs with the big shot, I may just add another stage to make more power. Thanks for the support, I'll update my mods list now.

 

[_DeS_]

You didn't bring the thread back from the dead. I was just waiting until it became warmer before I attempted to to update everyone on the progress. I have decided to get rid of the AWD car, and run a FWD car. Alot of my close friends have told me that i'm shooting myself in the foot. Truth is all I need is a decent 60ft and a killer 330 time, and I believe I can get 1.7s or better with an fwd car with seat time. The entire setup has already started to be switched over, and I already started to lighten the FWD car. Truth is that at this power level with the 14b and then nitrous, the 400 pound weight break is worth more to me then AWD. The car will however wear DOT Bias plys cheater slicks up front. Depending on how it runs with the big shot, I may just add another stage to make more power. Thanks for the support, I'll update my mods list now.

That'll be nice. Keep us informed

 

[rrussell]

You didn't bring the thread back from the dead. I was just waiting until it became warmer before I attempted to to update everyone on the progress. I have decided to get rid of the AWD car, and run a FWD car. Alot of my close friends have told me that i'm shooting myself in the foot. Truth is all I need is a decent 60ft and a killer 330 time, and I believe I can get 1.7s or better with an fwd car with seat time. The entire setup has already started to be switched over, and I already started to lighten the FWD car. Truth is that at this power level with the 14b and then nitrous, the 400 pound weight break is worth more to me then AWD. The car will however wear DOT Bias plys cheater slicks up front. Depending on how it runs with the big shot, I may just add another stage to make more power. Thanks for the support, I'll update my mods list now.

Dang... I was hoping you would have stayed AWD. But I understand. Less weight makes things easier all the way around.

Good Luck and keep us posted.

 

[girlieracr4g63]

YAY!!!! for switching to FWD...
BOOO....for the nitrous.

Good luck non the less! Its tough and lonely out there in the fwd world.


I to got rid of my awd track car.. Running both was to costly and love runs deep for the fwd!
Besides if I want to play in an awd. I will just drive the Galant around town.

 

[fastandlow94]

correct me if im wrong or if someone else may have already said it but wasnt project goodwill running the 14b and made a 10.84 pass if my memory serves me correct with out nitrous !!!

 

[girlieracr4g63]

correct me if im wrong or if someone else may have already said it but wasnt project goodwill running the 14b and made a 10.84 pass if my memory serves me correct with out nitrous !!!

Same car. (Joe Bucci=Project Goodwill) From my understanding its just not a shared project anymore.

 

[rhamlinii]

correct me if im wrong or if someone else may have already said it but wasnt project goodwill running the 14b and made a 10.84 pass if my memory serves me correct with out nitrous !!!

Yeah I'm hoping that i will be able to add a 2nd stage and eclipse his record alltogether with my setup. My car will be a "street car" as I prefer to drive my car.

 

[fastandlow94]

Yeah I'm hoping that i will be able to add a 2nd stage and eclipse his record alltogether with my setup. My car will be a "street car" as I prefer to drive my car.

yeah i was on his website he had set up for his car it was definatly a dedicated track car my plan is to run 11.49 or faster this year but im not gonna strip my interior to do it.

well good luck keep us updated sound like a good goal mighty hard but it might just be possible

 

[girlieracr4g63]

I would really like to see you start a journey to your low 10 sec. pass thread. Also, just for shits and giggles make some non spraying passes...Again good luck!


Wendy

 

[94TSiAWD]

Hey guys!

I was a little bored at work so I started browsing the forums and came to this thread. I love reading this stuff and keeping up with who is doing what with a small turbo.

Good luck to everyone doing this. It's a lot of fun and can be done for a relatively low cost.

I have tried moving on to more powerful setups at this point and after $3000+ in chassis work, I'm waiting for room in the budget before I can move on!

It just takes patience and attention to detail and you can go fast on a VERY inexpensive and simple setup.

Thanks Leon and Phil for the inspiration to do this.

 

[rhamlinii]

This thread brings back a ton of memories.I never updated this thread. I started with the 14b and after a couple of passes on spray. The turbo blew apart, and the motor was hurt. I put a stock motor and 16g together on spray as a replacement untill the built motor was fixed. We street raced that setup hard w/ a couple of friends.We beat a viper,porshe, 35r evo,sti's, single turbo supra, rx7's and many turbo honda's on radils and slicks.On a dual fuel setup, both regulators set to 40 psi W/ 175 jet's in. Brian drove the car to 6.80 @ 108 in the 1/8 mile track in VA on street tires.We aslo ended up using a AWD car aswell.On the built motor/14b with nirtous it went a little slower, but not by much.We changed to wastegate setup and with extreme o2 onlimnator. So it held boost and didn't spike as hard.I never ordered bigger jets either so that was the end of it. I still have some parts I may give it another shot, I'm not pressed. Yes I know how old this tread is, I created it.

 

[94TSiAWD]

6.80 @ 108 is moving!

My best 1/8th was 6.50 @ 113. That was on a 16g with a 60 shot. I tried 100, but it didn't seem to want to go any faster. Thought my turbine housing was limiting me.

Anyway... nice job.

I know Nate Crisman is getting his 14b racecar ready. I wonder what others are up to?

 

[SBstar]

Seems to me alot of other "14b" guys made some pretty big claims, then disappeared and did nothing this season. I'm looking forward to Nate finishing his up and hopefully Phil coming back out next year. The SBR car seems interesting but is moving slowly. Still some time left this year for others to pop up though. I'll be happy with some 12's this weekend in Norwalk!

 

[94TSiAWD]

Good luck Shane!!

 

[jjrock5]

I would really like to see you start a journey to your low 10 sec. pass thread. Also, just for shits and giggles make some non spraying passes...Again good luck!


Wendy

It's kind of upsetting seeing a post from her. RIP.

Good luck to the 14b guys.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Seems to me alot of other "14b" guys made some pretty big claims, then disappeared and did nothing this season. I'm looking forward to Nate finishing his up and hopefully Phil coming back out next year. The SBR car seems interesting but is moving slowly. Still some time left this year for others to pop up though. I'll be happy with some 12's this weekend in Norwalk!

My "14b car" ended up getting put together with an E3 16g simply because I had to use my only 14b on y GVR4 streetcar to keep it running, to which I promptly blew the turbo up at the track (it did go 12.0 @ 113 on 14b though)

The "dinky turbo racecar" went to the track for shakedown runs friday night, I only made one full pass: 12.3 @ 111.

first pass: shakedown...no launch, first, or 4th gear..."ok everything works"
second pass: 12.3 @ 111 on 1.65 20psi boost...tune all wonky
third pass: 13.2@101 missfiring all way down track.
fouth pass: 13 @ 77 gear oil leak in bellhousing causing clutch to slip.

Found our my junky frankentrans doesn't want to shift 3-4 or go into reverse now. so I gotta get another trans and another clutch disk before trying again.

 

[SBstar]

I'll put more in the "official 14b thread" but I hit my goals at Norwalk today! 12.55 @ 110! I'm a happy camper and then some.

 

[SBR Joe]

Seems to me alot of other "14b" guys made some pretty big claims, then disappeared and did nothing this season. I'm looking forward to Nate finishing his up and hopefully Phil coming back out next year. The SBR car seems interesting but is moving slowly. Still some time left this year for others to pop up though. I'll be happy with some 12's this weekend in Norwalk!

Yes, its been moving slower than id like, the cars been ready to get back to the track, just havent had the time . Im going to be at Quaker City sept 10th with nothing but 11s in sight. Cars about 30whp faster than the 12.5@111 run, about 150lbs lighter and equipped with good suspension, not STOCK, and a little better tires but with low pressure. I dont think ill see any record setting times this season, just not enough room in my schedule to get to the track as much as i need to, but over the winter the heads getting pulled, getting the valve work freshened up to get rid of the two LOW cylinders (70 and 120), hopefully an aluminum driveshaft if i can fit it in the budget, and some slicks. With those theres no doubt in my mind ill be hot on phils tail, hopefully ahead of him. The best trap the car ran before was 114, which is faster than his record setting trap so that leaves me with good hope considering the car was making a good bit less power then and had a far inferior setup than now. Time will tell, ill update my thread the night i get back from thr track next. I cant imagine it NOT dipping into the 11s the way the car feels now, im just not sure how far into the 11s i will see.