Why so many DSM haters ? is it really that bad ?

[DanielMandon]

Why cant people just accept imports for what they are, a quick/fun street car. Nothing more. There's nothing wrong with that either.

Agree 100%. Personally I think DSMs are the most fun with low lag turbos running just enough power to be faster than almost anything on the street but not break all the time.

 

[crash89]

1G's are better for drag, 2G's are better for street.

Damnit, Im all kinds of backwards then!! My 1g is my winter daily and my 2g is my summer DD drag car..

From my experience its almost pointless to have a N/A muscle car.. All they are is loud 12-14 second cars.. I get so friggin intimidated when Im at the track and hear these loud ass cars that sound amazing.. Go and watch them, boom 13.84. Really!?! whats the point.. Not many muscle guys pull off decent times or HP without some kind of power adder, be it turbo, supercharger, n02 ect.. Now can it be done? Yes but by few..

I like and agree with the post that said People are afraid of what they dont understand.. Or its the n/t guys talking shit or acting like the honda kids that make people think that way.. OR it could be everyone that doesnt know what crankwalk really is spreading shit around like candy and every asshat just repeating it like he said she said.. blahh blah..

sit down and shut up while I whoop your ass!!

 

[cisco818]

look all you gotta know is that you purchased a well styled car with a great engine and didnt have to spend 30k to get it. i got my GST for 3k and it still looks better than most newer models. chicks dig em and with the extra 27k that i saved i can easily modify it to as much HP as i want. alot of people are just too pridefull and think their domestics are better. when in reality their rearwheel cars cant even handle snow and on top of that eat too much gas as for my eclipse it is great in the snow and saves me tons of gas. i didnt choose my car with pride i chose it with brains. then i fell in love with it and all the great things you can do to these engines.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

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[JusMX141]

I almost forgot an entire category....and this one's fairly new to the scene- the lifted diesel truck wannabe-redneck douchebags.

I don't know what it's like in your area, but around here you're not a man unless you have a giant lifted diesel with 40" mud tires, a pair of 12" stacks in the bed, flat black wheels, and a huge "Tapout" decal on the back window. These guys clearly use their trucks to make up for what they lack in another area. Trust me- it's not just one or two in my area....we have a serious diesel douche epidemic on our hands.

The problem with the statement is though, that they spend the money on real parts, shit that dont break. Spend more on a trans then any dsm is worth. They run the same set ups year in and year out for several seasons. Plus if their cars run .01 off, theres something wrong with the car. Watch the seasoned bracket guys run.

Manual imports are embarrassing as #### to watch on the strip. I mean its quite amusing from the spectator's view. Watching the car buck around throwing the driver around like a bull rider. Watching a solid 9 second car run 10.50's-12 flats . Shit launching, non shifting, breaking every other pass. I mean breaking is the only thing they do consistently. But hey they have antilag

Why cant people just accept imports for what they are, a quick/fun street car. Nothing more. There's nothing wrong with that either.

I agree to a point.

I'm fairly close to two hardcore drag racers in my area who come into my workplace. They both have cars that run in the 9's, and the amount of money they spend on their car on a weekly basis would blow your f*cking mind. Transmissions fail, oil pumps go out, rocker arm studs pull out of heads and ruin entire engines....they're just as unreliable or even MORE unreliable than a 9-second DSM. One of the guys has a trucking business as his main source of income and also an entire separate auto body business just to fund his drag car. The other guy is retired from the gas company but has an engine building business to fund his drag car....so at least he's able to build his own engines where some guys have to pay to have engines built.

A purpose-built low-9-second V8-powered drag car will be an auto, have 400-500ci displacement depending on the weight of the car, and has no business on the street as it likely uses gallons of fuel per mile instead of miles per gallon. You'd never pass a gas station. They're purpose-built, and they do great at what they're built to do.

Now here's what a low-9-second street-driven 4-cylinder looks like:

[ame]http://youtu.be/9RhVE2JLfig[/ame]

Less time involved, less money to build, reliable enough to be street-driven, and the end result is basically the same. The 4-cylinder is also going to get more admirers and more respect in comparison to an equal-timed V8 drag-only car.

 

[EDM95]

This, this is why......./thread[/QUOTE


True but if it wasn't for that movie they would of never had made all the parts they got now for a dsm.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

This, this is why......./thread[/QUOTE


True but if it wasn't for that movie they would of never had made all the parts they got now for a dsm.

Absolutely false.

Unless by parts you mean plastichrome bits, underglow and chinese body kits. Those are the only direct result of those movies.

 

[Cdc1221]

No hes probly right as far as body kits and ricey shit, and the 420a 'performance' market is concerned

 

[KYNgsx]

Why so many DSM haters?

Because so many DSMers are haters.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

I almost forgot an entire category....and this one's fairly new to the scene- the lifted diesel truck wannabe-redneck douchebags.

I don't know what it's like in your area, but around here you're not a man unless you have a giant lifted diesel with 40" mud tires, a pair of 12" stacks in the bed, flat black wheels, and a huge "Tapout" decal on the back window. These guys clearly use their trucks to make up for what they lack in another area. Trust me- it's not just one or two in my area....we have a serious diesel douche epidemic on our hands.

100% agree

 

[91stocker]

A purpose-built low-9-second V8-powered drag car will be an auto, have 400-500ci displacement depending on the weight of the car, and has no business on the street as it likely uses gallons of fuel per mile instead of miles per gallon. You'd never pass a gas station. They're purpose-built, and they do great at what they're built to do.

Now here's what a low-9-second street-driven 4-cylinder looks like:

Less time involved, less money to build, reliable enough to be street-driven, and the end result is basically the same. The 4-cylinder is also going to get more admirers and more respect in comparison to an equal-timed V8 drag-only car.

I just cant agree with some of that there. Go watch a real bracket event. They go can all night with out a break, the only time the track needs clean up is if someone wrecks.

Now compare that to shootout(dsm or import), where literally every other car breaks. They have to pay tons extra in track clean up because of so many failures. I know i cant be the only one irritated with that? I mean hell nearly all of the finals are solo runs. Its not even whos the fastest, its the last car running. I remember a couple years ago, a 10 second car won the quick 16.

Really how enjoyable is a 9 second dsm on the street? Auto or manual its going to be hell, no low end whatsoever. Making 90hp til 5.5k.

The difference is, the v8 guys pull the motor maybe to freshen it up so theres no problems next season. While the import guys see how fast they can go once. Idk, just not my thing.

I know it makes me sound like a hater, but i love turbo awd cars on the street. Fast, loads of fun to drive. But i will never understand why someone with build a tube chassis, throw a chevy trans and a ford rear end capable of handling 5000hp, to put a 2.0L behind it. I back dsm's almost every time i hang with my friends or go to car meets,etc, but i wont back import drag racing.

A 4cyl is running on the ragged edge at 1k hp. While their are numerous companies building 1500-2k hp v8 street cars. Nelson for example. Take the worlds fastest "street car" for example. That impala iirc, drove like 2000 miles to the track and cracked off a time faster then any import has run .

Id still love to have a 2.3 stroker with a twin scroll hx35 for a street machine though.

 

[Cdc1221]

Not to start another argument with you stocker, but i think you missed justins point. We'll hash it this way. Take two cars, say a 92 mustang and a 92 awd dsm. Both bone stock are nearly the same price, and both about the same speed. Youre given a max $5k for each to spend however you see fit. Just for the sake of argument, both are up to date on maintenamce, and both are a/t. After 5k has been spent on each car, which would win?

 

[91stocker]

After 5k has been spent on each car, which would win?

Stang would hands down. h/c/i and spray. I've seen 700hp through and auto on stock bottom end. Plus that chassis holds the stock chassis quarter record. Its going to hook and out 60ft any dsm.

Doubt you can make an honest 700hp through an auto in a dsm with 5k.

Same with the ls motors. Theres a ls guy out here running 10's on a stock ls1 with bolt ons and spray. Changed out the shit 10 bolt of course but still impressive.

Hell with most v8's. I know of a guy who has two cars running junkyard truck motors running low 9's. My friend built the trans for him.

From my experience its almost pointless to have a N/A muscle car.. All they are is loud 12-14 second cars.. I get so friggin intimidated when Im at the track and hear these loud ass cars that sound amazing.. Go and watch them, boom 13.84. Really!?! whats the point.. Not many muscle guys pull off decent times or HP without some kind of power adder, be it turbo, supercharger, n02 ect.. Now can it be done? Yes but by few..

Your obviously talking about 40 year old beater pos cars with absolutely no money in them. Because your talking about stock times even for old cars. Any h/c/i car is going to run faster then that and sound amazing.

Yea ive seen them old rusted muscle cars with a tired old motor with its only mods being headers. I guess thats the import equivalent of the 16 second bolt on hondas buzzing down the track.

 

[n0de]

Stang would hands down. h/c/i and spray. I've seen 700hp through and auto on stock bottom end. Plus that chassis holds the stock chassis quarter record. Its going to hook and out 60ft any dsm.

Doubt you can make an honest 700hp through an auto in a dsm with 5k.

Same with the ls motors. Theres a ls guy out here running 10's on a stock ls1 with bolt ons. Changed out the shit 10 bolt of course but still impressive.

Hell with most v8's. I know of a guy who has two cars running junkyard truck motors running low 9's. My friend built the trans for him.



Your obviously talking about 40 year old beater pos cars with absolutely no money in them. Because your talking about stop times even for old cars. Any h/c/i car is going to run faster then that and sound amazing.

Yea ive seen them old rusted muscle cars with a tired old motor with its only mods being headers. I guess thats the import equivalent of the 16 second bolt on hondas buzzing down the track.

Not doubting you, but if you've "seen" these h/c/i only cars run 10's or 700+ hp would you be able to link some video's or reference sites that we can see? Spray is cool... but go both ways, that would be a lot of nitrous to dig into the 10's with those h/c/i for mods.

 

[Cdc1221]

I eat my words, cause he is right about the ls1. I completely forgot about it, but then i hate gov't motors with a passion, even moreso than honda

 

[phunny]

Normally everything 91stocker says I completely disagree with but this time he's dead on. Almost all of the guys I race with are Mustangs and Vettes and they are almost all faster than me with bolt-ons and they never break down.

Put 5k into each car, I'm betting on the Mustang 10/10 times. Every part of these cars are pushed to the ragged edge with any sort of horsepower we consider "high".

 

[EDM95]

Absolutely false.

Unless by parts you mean plastichrome bits, underglow and chinese body kits. Those are the only direct result of those movies.

No hes probly right as far as body kits and ricey shit, and the 420a 'performance' market is concerned

I don't care about no rice but I'm telling you I was around before that movie and they did not have as much aftermarket parts as they did after that movie came out.

 

[isantop]

I guess the fact is that a lot of people on these forums aren't really into V8s and big American muscle. We like small, lightweight cars. And while I don't think anyone here wants to put down your own likes (it's obvious you do like the big American cars as well as DSMs), at the same time we don't want to come here and listen to how some other car will be faster, or make more power, or looks better, or is cheaper, etc. We came here to talk about DSMs and what makes them great.

Now, I obviously can't speak for everybody here, but I personally don't go hang out at Mustang forums and talk smack about them and how other cars will beat them. I doubt many people here do at all. I guess what I'm asking is that we simply leave the big cars out of here altogether. It would definitely keep the argumements to a minimum. Let's leave the Big V8 vs. Turbo 4 debate for the tracks.

 

[Dominasian]

Wow, so many posts since i created this thread, it got popular all of a sudden. Well just my 2 cents. I don't care who is faster whether it is going to be a muscle head or small 4cyller. We Russians say that for every champion there is always another Champion. I am not into drag racing either, in my opinion its pure car modification, ok maybe some shifting skills. I prefer lap racing, or some highway traffic fun. Sorry for those of u who is going to hate on me, i wont really care because i am here for help and support wither i need it or somebody else. Topic started with "why there are so many DSM haters" Notice DSM... 1g or 2g, who cares both great cars and if some of u like 1g then there are always people who will dislike 1g and like 2g. I like 2g because of looks, i am not professional drag racer, so i really don't bother getting a car just for that application. I learned a lesson here from those who stayed on topic. For every like there will be a dislike for the heck of it. People may not even dislike the car, but still talk sht to intimidate. And that's with everything: cars, hobbies, houses, u name it. Thanks for all your output, that definitely thought me a lesson.

 

[Cdc1221]

Eh im not hating. Who doesnt get a stiffy from a big block vibrating the air around you from 200 yards away?

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Wow, so many posts since i created this thread, it got popular all of a sudden. Well just my 2 cents. I don't care who is faster whether it is going to be a muscle head or small 4cyller. We Russians say that for every champion there is always another Champion. I am not into drag racing either, in my opinion its pure car modification, ok maybe some shifting skills. I prefer lap racing, or some highway traffic fun. Sorry for those of u who is going to hate on me, i wont really care because i am here for help and support wither i need it or somebody else. Topic started with "why there are so many DSM haters" Notice DSM... 1g or 2g, who cares both great cars and if some of u like 1g then there are always people who will dislike 1g and like 2g. I like 2g because of looks, i am not professional drag racer, so i really don't bother getting a car just for that application. I learned a lesson here from those who stayed on topic. For every like there will be a dislike for the heck of it. People may not even dislike the car, but still talk sht to intimidate. And that's with everything: cars, hobbies, houses, u name it. Thanks for all your output, that definitely thought me a lesson.

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[Dominasian]

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[cisco818]

I guess the fact is that a lot of people on these forums aren't really into V8s and big American muscle. We like small, lightweight cars. And while I don't think anyone here wants to put down your own likes (it's obvious you do like the big American cars as well as DSMs), at the same time we don't want to come here and listen to how some other car will be faster, or make more power, or looks better, or is cheaper, etc. We came here to talk about DSMs and what makes them great.

Now, I obviously can't speak for everybody here, but I personally don't go hang out at Mustang forums and talk smack about them and how other cars will beat them. I doubt many people here do at all. I guess what I'm asking is that we simply leave the big cars out of here altogether. It would definitely keep the argumements to a minimum. Let's leave the Big V8 vs. Turbo 4 debate for the tracks.

Agreed this thread started because their was people talking smack about DSM not realizing that we turned out just like them taking smack about v8 and other cars. Now there'd gunna be a thread somwhere else asking why we hate them so much. Lets end this now and talk about something more important. Like French fries for example

 

[isantop]

Like French fries for example

I vote for kangaroos.

 

[Cdc1221]

And now let there be two pages of kangaroo pics . Wheres noslaser when you need him