Why so many DSM haters ? is it really that bad ?

[awdtalon4451]

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[awdtalon4451]

This ones even better haha!!!

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[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

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[g4ebguy90]

All I know is 1G's are a mans car.... a mans mans car. O and I had a 1.5T hyundai scoupe that could keep toe to toe with 5.0L mustang... Mustang was a pos and I was running like 4 psi. Then the mustang broke down.

 

[Cdc1221]

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[phunny]

All I know is 1G's are a mans car.... a mans mans car. O and I had a 1.5T hyundai scoupe that could keep toe to toe with 5.0L mustang... Mustang was a pos and I was running like 4 psi. Then the mustang broke down.

Says the guy with a 20 year old fwd pos, if course I could be wrong about your car but I doubt it.

 

[g4ebguy90]

dont be mad becuz mustangs suck man. There is nothing under the hood of them things that is worth more than the crap I took a hour ago.

But to be honest i;ve only been into DSM's for around...2-3 years. Never kept one more then 6 months. They come and go never put money into them. There fun cheap and stock.

 

[phunny]

It's kids like you that ruin our community, do us all a favor and go get another pimp hyundai and never tell anyone you're a DSM'er, because you truly are not.

 

[Cdc1221]

WTFWow somebody got some sand in their twat all a sudden

 

[H4G64T]

The amount of fail in this thread is staggering.

 

[g4ebguy90]

What I don't understand... If mustangs are so good, and make so much more power and are reliable, then why does said h8ter... drive a dsm... ... I mean mustangs are cheap pos to... I could probaly go pick up a nice v8 model for like 1000 bucks... but im also KING jew.

Blue 91 Eclipse GST, traded my 2001 Mercury Cougar ( that I bought for $800) for it.
Dropped a Rebuilt 5-10 mile engine in her, I picked up for $200. THAT IS AFTER I SPUN A BEARING IN ORIG ENGINE.

Bumper got ripped off, insurance paid me $1100 for it...

I then sold it for $1000 to a member on here....

I also drove it for like a year.

 

[phunny]

Damn, somebody find his off button. I guess the nicest word that comes to mind is Tool. I seriously doubt you'll ever in this lifetime get a call from me.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

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I was looking forward to two pages of kangaroos

 

[Black-Out]

WTF

 

[g4ebguy90]

Damn, somebody find his off button. I guess the nicest word that comes to mind is Tool. I seriously doubt you'll ever in this lifetime get a call from me.

Are you retarded? Your the only one in here pissing everyone off talking about the biggest piles of crap on earth.. Mustangs. WHY DO YOU DRIVE A DSM... YOUR THE TOOL.

 

[H4G64T]

*popcorn*

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

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[H4G64T]

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Your argument is invalid.

 

[g4ebguy90]

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[cisco818]

I vote for kangaroos.

hahaha too funny

This ones even better haha!!!

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i like this one

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[Blitzdvr4]

to the guy talking about 700hp on a stock 5.0 bottom end...sounds like a ticking time bomb. just cause you can do it a few times and it holds together doesn't mean it's the norm for all 5.0's. As far as i know the greater norm is those blocks start to have issues past 500 at the wheels, so take that for what its worth.

I came from a 88 5.0 (of 3 great years) for my 3rd stint with GVR4's. I chose that Mustang cause I knew it would be easy and cheap to keep on the road, plus basic potentials are right up my alley. I couldn't handle the body rattling anymore of the Mustang, and I kept looking to see if i could buy one of my old VR4's back again at the time.

5k for either car spent well and you have a pretty capable car considering you start off with a healthy example. Anyone who rags on Fox body mustang's performance potential are off their rocker. the 1G DSM is pretty much the 5.0 Mustang on our side of the fence...super receptive to mods and easy recipes to go fast.

The basics: advance timing, shifter, gears, clutch, exhaust and drag radials/slicks and you're looking at a whole different animal than a stock 5.0...and you could arguably pick up all those parts used pretty damn cheap.

 

[TSI_93]

You dont get the kind of hate towards evo's or STI's because ricers cant afford them and dumb kids dont want a 4 door car so they dont buy base model lancers or imprezzas.

Yeah but the WRX (non sti) is in the price range of ricers, and the lancer ralliart is too.

I also heard one time from a friend of a buddy's friend's sister's cousin that this guy he knew blew out a ringland putting a cold air intake on an sti. Those motors are shit and have more problems than Jay-Z.

 

[awdtalon4451]

I also heard one time from a friend of a buddy's friend's sister's cousin that this guy he knew blew out a ringland putting a cold air intake on an sti. Those motors are shit and have more problems than Jay-Z.

If you only knew how dumb you made your self sound by making that statement!! You have absolutely no idea what your taking about....STFD & STFU please and thanks :l

Its their drive train that has the issues. (and im not even sure if they do) Taylor a friend of mine( AKA Tay-Tay on here) sheared off the input shaft on the trans doing a normal 4-5k launch on his friends BRAND new WRX. Said he had to come out of pocket to fix it cause Subaru wouldnt warranty it.

 

[H4G64T]

If you only knew how dumb you made your self sound by making that statement!! You have absolutely no idea what your taking about....STFD & STFU please and thanks :l

Its their drive train that has the issues. (and im not even sure if they do) Taylor a friend of mine( AKA Tay-Tay on here) sheared off the input shaft on the trans doing a normal 4-5k launch on his friends BRAND new WRX. Said he had to come out of pocket to fix it cause Subaru wouldnt warranty it.

I actually agree with this.

Though the 2.0 was much better than the 2.5. The drivetrain is obviously not as stout on the WRX, but I know for a fact, that internally, Subaru boasts that the STI cam style transmission can handle 1,000 hp.

 

[Black-Out]

Yeah but the WRX (non sti) is in the price range of ricers, and the lancer ralliart is too.

I also heard one time from a friend of a buddy's friend's sister's cousin that this guy he knew blew out a ringland putting a cold air intake on an sti. Those motors are shit and have more problems than Jay-Z.

There is no way in hell you can kill the ring lands on an STI from just putting on a cold air intake- Your buddy either over boosted it or he got it used, beat up, and broken before he even modded it- I worked for the Subaru dealer as a tech for nearly 4 years and I was the soul tech our dealer used to allow to modify these cars for our customers PRIOR to pick up, and we never saw damage on ring lands if the boost was kept below 17psi on cars that had no ignition timing adjustment and full exhaust and intakes.......The ring land damage occurs because of too much boost with too much ignition timing,the same shit that can kill any DSM............Early STI's (04'-05') had aggressive ignition maps in them mainly because Subaru Japan tuned the car on their fuels and their premium fuel is 98 octane............we have dragon piss for fuel here states side from the pump compared to them and unless you used Shell stations exclusively your car would ping ........Stock early models pulled 44.5 degrees advance under full boost and the computer would advance cam timing, then pull back on boost from 14.5psi down to 13.7psi on a car that had no knock or ping.....Cars that experience ping or knock the timing would get 10 degrees lopped off the maps to prevent issues but the timing was still to aggressive ........early 05' models were re-mapped for far less timing they left the boost and fueling maps alone and the issue went away completely, right up until the Cobb Access Port was released........Ask me how I know........


The biggest weakness that Subaru has in any case is cast pistons on 2.5 and 2.0 engines,occasional oil pump failures on later model (07'-10') 2.5 turbo engines (which cause rod bearing failures), both of which can be avoided if you A. tune it properly and B. add a proper oil pressure gauge.

The biggest limitation to horsepower is cylinder head flow capability limited by combustion chamber design (Evo's and DSM's are far more efficient than Scooby's in that area) and intake restriction caused by the TGV assembly at the base of the upper intake manifold..........that's it.......Nothing else is in the way and for the record a properly set up WRX or STI is no less reliable than any DSM or Evo- the problem with any of these cars is that everyone wants to mod the piss out of em and no one wants to do the maitenance or get the "good" parts for the car that will last longer and make for safer tuning.

I swear I'm not trying to defend any one manufacturer here, but where the f@#k do you guys get your info from? it's fractured to say the least-

If you only knew how dumb you made your self sound by making that statement!! You have absolutely no idea what your taking about....STFD & STFU please and thanks :l

Its their drive train that has the issues. (and im not even sure if they do) Taylor a friend of mine( AKA Tay-Tay on here) sheared off the input shaft on the trans doing a normal 4-5k launch on his friends BRAND new WRX. Said he had to come out of pocket to fix it cause Subaru wouldnt warranty it.

Well, yes and no- The drive line is somewhat problematic from manufacture dates 02'-05' .......In 06' if my memory serves me correctly,Subaru changed the actual size of the gears themselves making them slightly larger to resist the cracking they encountered on the earlier cars. The truth of the matter is early WRX transmissions had a power rating of 225hp 2hp LESS than what the engines produce without modification what so ever- Now weather that is a flywheel rating or a wheel rating I can't tell you- but the transmission was mated to an engine that basically exceeded the power rating and that in and of itself is a no-no.....

The early cars could break gear boxes stock.......The STI's how ever have a gear box that can withstand 600+ all wheel horsepower provided the driver isnt a complete jack-ass and doesn't side step the clutch from a standing start at 7k-rpm. The reason the gear box breaks on WRX's is because during the launch the shock of the engagement actually pushes the primary and secondary shafts within the gear box apart making the gear foot print move outward toward the tips of the gear set- as a result the shearing of the gear tips begins the destructive process of stripping the adjacent gear till the shaft looks more a smooth round paper weight than a gear shaft. The reason this doesn't happen to STI's so easily is because the gear box is divorced with an iron housing that supports the gears and prevents the shafts from moving far enough to cause the damage described above. In short the gear boxes on standard WRX's flex and allow movement that should never occur normally unless you're trying to launch the car, which in most cases, is when gear box failure happens to people in the first place......

In most cases it's the guy behind the wheel thats the issue. I made 335awhp and 345awtq and didn't break my gear box daily driven with at least 100 drag strip passes on my gear box. The one time I broke my gear box was because, like every other dumb-ass with an awd car at the time, I tried to launch my car at 7k rpm making about 240awhp and about 230awtq at the time. Lucky for me I actually knew how to build a gear box and I simply ordered new gears and bearings and rebuilt the gear box to stock spec and put it back in the car- Lesson learned. I changed my driving and launch tecnique and never broke another gear box again..

If I remember correctly DSM's carried the exact same drive line failure stigma for the EXACT same reasons......I can't tell you how many of my friends wrecked their gear boxes in the DSM's back in the day........Why else would a Shep racing tranny be the holy grail of drive line reliability for us DSM guys?
Have we forgotten all the BS we as owners of these cars have gone through to get to the point we are at with these cars? For every transmission you hear of a Scooby guy blowing up there's at least 2 DSM guys who have done the same thing....simply because of the number of cars that have been made. The reason it's not an issue on the Evo is because Mitsubishi learned their lesson with the DSM's they sent to America before hand with AWD, and Mitsubishi was no less ridiculous with their warranty coverage on Evos than Subaru was with theirs. I had reports from friends that if they attended Auto X events and drag strip time trials here locally in Texas region and they were spotted by employees then that was all the proof they needed to say that the car was being "raced" and that voided the warranty.....but don't take my word for it-


Evo Owners Decry Warranty Rejections - Car News - Car and Driver

Read it yourself- That was dated from September of 2004-
No auto manufacturer is innocent from pulling this bs in the past and certainly not Mitsubishi to the point. all of em are guilty of it at one point or another, us claiming that Mitsubishi better without looking at the fact that they have had their fair share of these issues is nothing more than douche-baggery at it's finest...........Not that I'm referring specifically to you, H4G64T, just us DSM owners in general that have that attitude......

It's just plain ridiculous........

Will-