Why NOT to use SSAutochrome

[civickiller]

i bought ported 02 housing from them 3 weeks ago, just now they sent me email that they will have it shipped this week. Good thing i did not buy anything else from them.

 

[Boostin GST]

i actually ordered two o2 dump housings from them. they both arrived within a week of payment and didnt charge me for shipping on either for some reason. fitment wasnt perfect but it fit with a lil nudging.

 

[Boostin GST]

and no i didnt buy two bc the first one ####ed up. bought one for my friend a week later after he saw mine. heh didnt want to add fuel to the fire.

 

[Revolution]

To answer a previous question ,yes I do have an ssautochrome header, but I had not purchased it from them. I actually purchased the header from a local vendor whom dealt with a shop called koumotorsports. They did a review ,and to make a long story short at it's worst the kou(ssautochrome manifold)outperformed a 1g,2g,ported2g manifold on a small 16g or 14b I really cant remember . Point being the design sold me on it. My manifold has support brackets everywear and it not only upped the spool but gave me some top end too, from what I could tell behind the steering wheel the car pulled harder,so it must have done the job properly.

Most of the people whom have had problems all seem to be honda guys I know their evo manifolds and dsm manifolds where straight copies from dnp ,hence it's like the obx version of the greddy intercooler kit. Less money for the same amount of bang,just without the brand name.

 

[FireyIce01]

Also like to point out that I recently found ssautochrome's manifolds have support brackets welded to the flanges at each exhaust port, and at the collector and such, so maybe they've learned where their shortcomings were and fixed them?

 

[DSMJim]

Also like to point out that I recently found ssautochrome's manifolds have support brackets welded to the flanges at each exhaust port, and at the collector and such, so maybe they've learned where their shortcomings were and fixed them?

No they still break. It's only a matter of time.

SSAutochrome has been ripping guys off for a long time now and people keep going back for more, honestly I don't know why. I'm gonna start selling junk too cause obviously people buy it and keep buying it and seem to want to defend it even though it's been proven junk 10,000 times. Yet they keep going back...

 

[FireyIce01]

No they still break. It's only a matter of time.

SSAutochrome has been ripping guys off for a long time now and people keep going back for more, honestly I don't know why. I'm gonna start selling junk too cause obviously people buy it and keep buying it and seem to want to defend it even though it's been proven junk 10,000 times. Yet they keep going back...

*shrugs* I'unno why anyone would buy one anyway, a SBR cast mani flows more than enough exhaust, and is cheaper... but I did happen apon one of those auctions the other day and noticed that there was a lot of support tabs, so I figured maybe they fixed 'em... ah well, whatever, I'm going with a stock 2g exhaust til I find a reason to get something bigger (upwards of 400hp will be in order first)

 

[jdm4g63]

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This is an ssautochrome manifold and wastegate on my car. It is much more sturdy than most think. However I did have to modify the tube for the wastegate which considerably raised the price to the point where you could just buy the dnp piece.

 

[Revolution]

Wow thats redicoulous I have the same exact manifold,(minus the wastegate outlet).
My manifold was strictly ment for my e316g. Out of curiosity where the flanges mild steel or stainless steel when you got yours?

Im not a big fan of the purple but hey ,the girls like it , so why complain.

 

[jdm4g63]

When I asked I was told that the entire manifold was t-304 ss. I can't say that is or is not the case yet.

 

[DSMTommy]

I have their Manifold, O2 Dump, and FMIC and all the parts I recieved are great. My fitment was excellent and I got the Manifold and O2 in 2 days and the FMIC overnight. I would use their stuff again. I would recommend it and have had no problems with them.....

 

[RayH]

I don't know about DSM's but the GVR4 stock exhaust has a downpipe support bracket which helps fix the geometery of the exhaust manifold/header, turbo and downpipe relative to the engine. This helps force any vibration at the engine or the rest of the exhaust to to be taken up at the flex section.

Cast manifolds are usually strong enough to get by without the downpipe support but most headers can not. Worn engine mounts and hard launches makes the problem worse. Just think about what happens to the exhaust system eveytime the engine rotates slightly either by vibration or torque.

 

[highbooster]

From what I understand OBX makes these manifolds. SSautochrome like the rest of the retailers on e-bay just sells em. I had a turbo 2.0 manifold with the 38mm tialish gate. I was suprized that the manifold and gate looked so good. I do have to say that the wastegate pipe looked very long to me indeed. It looked like the car that they did the original mock up on may have been running a NA rack without power assist.

 

[Ams2gJim]

SS autochrome has been doing this for years and now there finally starting to copy other companies hard work. They copied our EVO FMIC to a T. We have since filled a complaint because we are tired of our friends in the DSM and Evo world getting ripped off. There Evo fmic was tested against another stock evo fmic and actually lost hp over stock.

Please guy's save your self the head ache and get a product that is well known for a good reputation such as DNP, Shearer motor sports, AMS, SBR and Buschur. Sorry if I left out someones name this is what i could come up with off the top of my head.

Jim

 

[talon_boy69]

Also like to point out that I recently found ssautochrome's manifolds have support brackets welded to the flanges at each exhaust port, and at the collector and such, so maybe they've learned where their shortcomings were and fixed them?

Actually...that's were they fail...Mine cracked on the four runners right were the "BRACKETS" were welded to the runner...same thing for the turbine flange...mine cracked all the way around were the bracket is welded to the runners...I have a friend who changed the flange (he had to eliminate the brackets) and the car have that thing for about 2 years...but please...DON'T EVEN TRY THEM...just get a 2g, evo or SBR and you'll be Happy for the rest of your life.

 

[Ronin17]

You get what you pay for, if people want to buy cheap crap and end up having to buy something else when it fails that's their business.

I'd rather get stuff from proven companies (AMS, Buschur, Shearer, Magnus, FP, etc..) and pay more than buy crap that is only a cheap imitation of the proven companies parts.

 

[DarkLaser]

You guys need to stop hatin. I've had one of these on my laser for almost two years now and teh only thing I had an issue with is the wastegate hitting the powersteering pump, wich was fixed with a carbide wheel and a welder. It took me all of 20min. to fix it. I have since driven my car to newyork twice(600 miles) and I drive my car daily. I also live down a 1/4 mile dirt BUMPY driveway wich I'm sure puts all kinds of stress on that manifold. I actually weighed all the crap that the manifold has to carry and it was close to 50 pounds. SO.....yes I have a SSautochrome manifold, yes I like it, and I did notice a power increase. NO CRACKS AT ALL YET with over 50,000 miles on it I dont think it will. Oh ya and yes it looks waaay better than any cast manifold can ever dream of being.

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

You guys need to stop hatin. I've had one of these on my laser for almost two years now and teh only thing I had an issue with is the wastegate hitting the powersteering pump, wich was fixed with a carbide wheel and a welder. It took me all of 20min. to fix it. I have since driven my car to newyork twice(600 miles) and I drive my car daily. I also live down a 1/4 mile dirt BUMPY driveway wich I'm sure puts all kinds of stress on that manifold. I actually weighed all the crap that the manifold has to carry and it was close to 50 pounds. SO.....yes I have a SSautochrome manifold, yes I like it, and I did notice a power increase. NO CRACKS AT ALL YET with over 50,000 miles on it I dont think it will. Oh ya and yes it looks waaay better than any cast manifold can ever dream of being.

I don't think anyone is "hating". No one on here is jealous of SS Autochrome; however, companies like AMS for example, are pissed off that some idiots who more than likey nothing about cars just went and ripped off their hardwork. That would piss me off if I owned a shop and they did that. I think you would be, too.

Nevertheless, if the import/compact sceen is turning into a bunch of cheap, wannabe, no-namer bullshit parts, then I don't want to be a part of it. What would happen if people were so cheap and impatient that the majority of tuners bought crap like SS? People like SBR, AMS, RRE, would be hurtin'. And if they go out of business, SS Autochrome is screwed, too. No one to do their R&D for them. No one to copy and rip off, no business. If you can't pay, don't play. Buy a Kia.

 

[eyebrowski]

OBX = SSAutochrome = XS Power
They are all the same company changing their names to ditch the bad rep.

Care for any more SSAutochrome humor?
You are looking at a different car with a similar situation being held together with a hose clamp.
http://www.dsmloggers.com/stuff/sscrap.jpg

And how about their turbos?
http://www.dsmloggers.com/DSM/ssturbo1.jpg
http://www.dsmloggers.com/DSM/ssturbo2.jpg
http://www.dsmloggers.com/DSM/ssturbo3.jpg

 

[sp00ln]

wow...

 

[Bailzz]

Well I think I made the mistake of purchasing their header and o2 housing, which when I received looked pretty sturdy and like it was done pretty well (XSPower which supposidly offers lifetime warranty against cracks ) but after cin that turbo WTF I hope I didn't make a bad choice, which mind you I am aware that I probably did but looking at the feedback, true first hand feedback, I'd say 70 to 75% of people who have them have had no problems and are completly happy. I'll start a thread with the life of my header and O2 with pics and try to keep it updated (if thats cool with the mods) Ohh and dont flame me for how I spend my money please, that's why its mine.

 

[eyebrowski]

You have to remember those people that left feedback probably did so as soon as they recieved the product.

 

[Geezus_Aach]

they've also gone by the name... pmjautochrome

 

[dsmpower1]

I don't think anyone is "hating". No one on here is jealous of SS Autochrome; however, companies like AMS for example, are pissed off that some idiots who more than likey nothing about cars just went and ripped off their hardwork. That would piss me off if I owned a shop and they did that. I think you would be, too.

Nevertheless, if the import/compact sceen is turning into a bunch of cheap, wannabe, no-namer bullshit parts, then I don't want to be a part of it. What would happen if people were so cheap and impatient that the majority of tuners bought crap like SS? People like SBR, AMS, RRE, would be hurtin'. And if they go out of business, SS Autochrome is screwed, too. No one to do their R&D for them. No one to copy and rip off, no business. If you can't pay, don't play. Buy a Kia.

you state a very good point here, but if all ssautochrome is doing is ripping off the design of ams, etc. then that would mean that both the manifolds would have to be similar, then why do companies such as ams. etc have to charge a buttload more for the same work done for the product. i mean i can understand if different materials are used and a little more sturdy welding done, but i dont think that is worth the 350 dollar difference. ssautochrome you can get the manifold for 150 and other similar manifolds are like 500. i mean buying something just for the name is one thing, but buyign for quality is another. also when people are buying with a budget in mind. i bought an ssautochrome manifold before i ever heard anythign bad about the company thinking i was getting a good deal on it which was almost a year ago. i havent had it yet running on my car so i don't know how it is going to hold up but i do know that with that other 350 i would of spent on another manifold i spent it instead on other supporting mods.

 

[AMS stampy]

you state a very good point here, but if all ssautochrome is doing is ripping off the design of ams, etc. then that would mean that both the manifolds would have to be similar, then why do companies such as ams. etc have to charge a buttload more for the same work done for the product. i mean i can understand if different materials are used and a little more sturdy welding done, but i dont think that is worth the 350 dollar difference. ssautochrome you can get the manifold for 150 and other similar manifolds are like 500. i mean buying something just for the name is one thing, but buyign for quality is another. also when people are buying with a budget in mind. i bought an ssautochrome manifold before i ever heard anythign bad about the company thinking i was getting a good deal on it which was almost a year ago. i havent had it yet running on my car so i don't know how it is going to hold up but i do know that with that other 350 i would of spent on another manifold i spent it instead on other supporting mods.

Well the biggest difference in cost is the fact that its outsourced to china for the build. Production costs are crazy low out there. Not to mention they have incured ZERO Research and development costs. they basically take a product that allready works toss it into a factory and make them as cheap as possible. The materials play a big part in this also. Our welds are nicer. the runners are wider, the material is thicker and a higher grade, and we warranty our manifolds against cracking. Thats just a manifold. They copied our EVO 8 FMIC and the thing made less HP then stock.....guess materials and build quality make a difference. Companies like SS autochrome that cannot engineer a product for themselves and continue to copy hard working tuners and engineers like AMS, Buschur, RNR, Road Race etc will slowy destroy this community and prevent people from engineering and testing new and better product. As a company the only thing you can do is try and patent you product but when it comes to the chinese/ asian market most of these international copyright laws mean squat. they will copy the product till they get caught and sued then disolve the company and start a new one. Its a sad sad circle. If you want to talk any more about this feel free to PM me. Thanks for reading. Please dont take this as a bash against the chinese culture either. I am in no way shape or form taking a shot at them. this is just economics.

Eric