Which wideband?

[DSM90AWD]

The display is showing voltage as actual AFR. The 1.98 is 19.8:1 AFR.... I took the pic with the car off. No converting on the fly, don't worry

If you set the innovate set to display 1.00V @10.0:1 AFR, and 2.00V @20.0:1 AFR, you just have to move the decimal one place for AFR.... 1.47V= 14.7:1AFR, 1.11V= 11.1:1 AFR, etc. See what I mean?

Chug..chug..chug.. WTF ..click Ahhhh.. brilliant (how my mind works )

The programmability of the innovate products makes it possible to do cool stuff like this for cheap. My display was about $10.

I wonder if the less-expensive LC-1 has the same feature for it's output?

Wish I had more inputs for my TMO Datalogger, as already sharing the EGR-T input with my IAT and MAP sensors

 

[Caithness]

The LC-1 has two programmable analog outputs. One for the gauge and one for a narrowband if you're getting rid of the stocker.

Where did you get that display? If my o2 sensor ever goes out I'm getting an LC-1, I mean, 70 bucks for an oem replacement or 200 for a wideband with 30 dollar sensor replacements?

My friend has a Zeitronix with the display. It seems really nice and it has the sensor package built in to log rpm, tps, boost, egt, etc, where the LC-1 has to get an 80 dollar sensor harness as far as I can tell. On a DSM it doesn't really matter because you can log it through the ECU, but on most other cars you'd need that harness.

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

Got the display on Ebay. Just search for digital panel meter. There are tons. You can get them in different sizes and different colored displays (red, green, blue).

 

[crazyboost]

1990eclipsegsx, so if i get the LC-1 package here...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Inno...ewItemQQcategoryZ43989QQitemZ4617524379QQrdZ1

I can have one output to a gage like you have and the other as the pc interface cable so i can log correct?

Another question about the aem uego kit here...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-...33742QQitemZ8047693052QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Would i be able to log on my laptop with this or not? thank you

 

[Caithness]

It has one digital output and two programmable analog outputs. You'd log with the digital output.

In my opinion the LC-1 is a better unit unless you're keen on the 52mm gauge design of the AEM unit. AFR range, available outputs and inputs, reliability- a guy I know has been through two AEM widebands, changed one out in my driveway- they all seem to swing in favor of the LC-1 if you read through peoples' experiences.

Got the display on Ebay. Just search for digital panel meter. There are tons. You can get them in different sizes and different colored displays (red, green, blue).

Thanks.

 

[DSM90AWD]

Ironic, we were breaking in/tuning my friends car last night that had the AEM-EMS with wideband controller, yet he chose to use a borrowed Innovate LM-1 as he's never gotten consistant results with his AEM WB

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

1990eclipsegsx, so if i get the LC-1 package here...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Inno...ewItemQQcategoryZ43989QQitemZ4617524379QQrdZ1

I can have one output to a gage like you have and the other as the pc interface cable so i can log correct?

As said above, you would want to use the digital output to log on your laptop with the Innovate software. However, I don't think you wwill be able to log RPM w/ AFR like this. The ideal thing to do would be to run one analog output to the gauge, and the other analog output to the EGRT input on your ECU, and then you can log the wideband with everything else using MMCD 1.8g.

 

[crazyboost]

Wow i never thought of that 1990eclipsegsx, looks like today I'll be purchasing an LC-1 and a cheapo voltameter gauge off ebay. Thanks everyone for the help.

 

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As said above, you would want to use the digital output to log on your laptop with the Innovate software. However, I don't think you wwill be able to log RPM w/ AFR like this. The ideal thing to do would be to run one analog output to the gauge, and the other analog output to the EGRT input on your ECU, and then you can log the wideband with everything else using MMCD 1.8g.

I'm sorry but since I'm new to this ......well this ^^^^ all sounded like mumbo jumbo.

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

The LC-1 has three outputs, technically...

It has two programmable 0-5V analog outputs, and one serial output to connect it to a computer and use the innovate logging software.

If you use the serial output on the LC-1, you will not be able to log AFR with RPM or anything else in your logs.

However, you can connect one of the analog outputs into the EGR Temp input on your ECU, and log it with DSMLink. That way you can have AFR along with RPM, knock, timing, etc. in your logs. You can do the same thing with the MMCD 1.8g logging software as well.

 

[tstkl]

to me it seems like the aem is a much easier to use. it has two wires for the 0-5v and two for the 0-1v (on dual channel models). The 52mm gauge is also a nice feature I would like, but if I can get a gauge with a smaller cross sectional distance than 52 mm I can make a mount for my gauge pod for one of those small lcd screens and it will be just like having a 52mm gauge. to be honest with you guys, I was kinda looking forward to the PURDY COLORS of the aem wideband, and if I were to ever go to an aem ems it seemed more logicall to have an aem wideband than some other company.

I currently have a palm with mmcd and will soon be getting dsmlink, and would like to be able to log everything with dsmlink once I make the switch. If I can use the lc-1 (btw whats the difference between all the different models of inovative widebands, lm-1, lc-1, don't they all just monitor your afr? is it just a bunch of bells and whistles on the lm-1 or something?) to log afr with both mmcd and dsmlink, I'll be set though. anyone know how to get the map sensor working with mmcd 1.8g though, I was planning on getting a gm 3 bar map sensor and using that for boost in the egr-t port, but if I have a wideband sensor there, it won't work. It would be nice to know what the "map" sensor is actually logging, so I can tap a 0-5v map sensor into whatever it is and actually log boost rather than having it tell me I'm running 27 psi at idle or whatever.

 

[tstkl]

Here is a pic of what I did for a display in my 1g. I put it in front of the stock oil press. gauge since I have an autometer oil press in my gauge pod. All you have to do is program the output on the innovate to 1.00v @10.0:1 AFR and 2.00v @ 20.0:1 AFR. Works perfectly.

ok, I think I understand now, so how did you program it to 1v is 10:1 and 2v is 20:1?

 

[rated x]

The LC-1 has three outputs, technically...

It has two programmable 0-5V analog outputs, and one serial output to connect it to a computer and use the innovate logging software.

If you use the serial output on the LC-1, you will not be able to log AFR with RPM or anything else in your logs.

However, you can connect one of the analog outputs into the EGR Temp input on your ECU, and log it with DSMLink. That way you can have AFR along with RPM, knock, timing, etc. in your logs. You can do the same thing with the MMCD 1.8g logging software as well.

Since I'll be getting my dsmlink really soon,how do you connect one of the analog outputs into the EGR Temp input onto your ECU and where?

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

ok, I think I understand now, so how did you program it to 1v is 10:1 and 2v is 20:1?

You can program the outputs using the LM Programmer utility, which is included on the CD that comes with the wideband. If you download the manual here it has some screen shots of programming the outputs.

 

[tstkl]

You can program the outputs using the LM Programmer utility, which is included on the CD that comes with the wideband. If you download the manual here it has some screen shots of programming the outputs.

o, I watched the video and think I know what your talking about, you just type in 1v=10:1 and 2=20:1 then? if so I know how to do it.

btw, heres a link that might help you
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218150
Im still unsure if the lc-1 has little adapter thingys at the end, or if its two seperate wires, if its two wires its easy....

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

Since I'll be getting my dsmlink really soon,how do you connect one of the analog outputs into the EGR Temp input onto your ECU and where?

You just cut the wire on the EGR Temp input on the ECU, and connect the analog out on the wideband to the ECU side of the cut wire. You can check www.vfaq.com for the proper ECU pinout for the EGR Temp input on your car.

Then you have to program the LM-1 or LC-1 to mimic the TechEdge Linear output (or some other brand wideband's linear output that DSMLink has programmed into it already), and then you can log that in DSMLink. The techedge Linear output equation is AFR=9+(2*Vlin), So you would do something like 1v=11.0:1 AFR and 5v=19.0:1 AFR.

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

If your not going to use DSMlink then I would get a wideband that has the ability to log RPM or get a pocketlogger/loggable wideband setup.

So can would I be able to use the AEM UEGO gauge type wideband with the pocketlogger? Or would this be a futile pursuit? I almost purchased this guage type wideband and I won't be using a laptop so is the pocketlogger enough?

 

[tstkl]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12&item=7601125067&id=&sasel=

will that one work?

its the smallest red led one I could find, but it looks like I would need something to boost up the voltage to make it work, since the wideband only goes from 0-5 volts, right?

You just cut the wire on the EGR Temp input on the ECU, and connect the analog out on the wideband to the ECU side of the cut wire. You can check www.vfaq.com for the proper ECU pinout for the EGR Temp input on your car.

Then you have to program the LM-1 or LC-1 to mimic the TechEdge Linear output (or some other brand wideband's linear output that DSMLink has programmed into it already), and then you can log that in DSMLink. The techedge Linear output equation is AFR=9+(2*Vlin), So you would do something like 1v=11.0:1 AFR and 5v=19.0:1 AFR.

I thought you connected the digital output to the egr-t port. whats the difference between the digital and the analog output?

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

Analog outputs are programmable, and the serial output is not. Serial output is set up for using the Innovate LogWorks software.

I don't know if that screen will work. You really need one that reads to hundreths in voltage (accurate to .01). I.E. 1.XX instead of 11.X, since the innovate only works on 0-5v.

 

[rated x]

Does anyone have pics of where they welded the bung for the WB o2 sensor?I'm about to weld the bung on but can't find a reasonable spot that's out of the way?

 

[tstkl]

Does anyone have pics of where they welded the bung for the WB o2 sensor?I'm about to weld the bung on but can't find a reasonable spot that's out of the way?

innovative says anywhere before the cat and not at the bottom of the pipe, in case water gets in the pipe, the o2 sensor will be safe. so find somewhere were you can put it at like 0-180 degrees as close to, but before the cat.

i just thought, that sucks for 3/s guys, they have three cats, one RIGHT after each turbo, and one main one. so where would they put their widebands? that is, assuming all 3/s cars on the street haven't eliminated their precats....hehehehehe

 

[thekellbeast]

This might be a stupid question, but if you're running DSMLink on a Palm, how are you supposed to use the serial connection from the wideband? The serial connection is already taken up by the DSMLink cable. Can you get a Y-connector or is there a better way to set it up?

 

[tstkl]

This might be a stupid question, but if you're running DSMLink on a Palm, how are you supposed to use the serial connection from the wideband? The serial connection is already taken up by the DSMLink cable. Can you get a Y-connector or is there a better way to set it up?

what you do is use the egr-t port on your ecu to tap in the 0-5 volt signal from your wideband o2 sensor and monitor the egr-t with dsmlink on your palm. then you use dsmlink to change the scale and it reads the afr correctly. this has been gone over in this thread already I believe.

 

[thekellbeast]

I get it now. Thanks. Sorry if I asked the same question again.

 

[rated x]

What would I wire it to if I have a 2g and it doesn't show a egr-t wire?