Which Cams: Kelford Or BC ?

[bry2gdsm]

Hey Guys I plan to upgrade cams in the near future so i was wondering what is the best of these 2 cams? the brian crower's 272 or the kelford's 272? i know i have to degree them but i am putting fidanza cam gears so it won't be a problem but at the same time im not into degreeing that much so. im more convinced on getting the kelfords but i haven't seen much cars with them on so that's why im asking you guys... if you could provide me threads of the results of kelford cams would be deeply appreciated. also is better to use the ralliart mlhg than the cometic right?

Thanks In Advance!
Brian

 

[dsmfa9nutter]

Kelfords are expensive. You pay for quality and they are the best out there.

 

[talondave]

I dont see nothing wrong with the BCs!! For the price, these 288s are insane on the top end, they just want to keep on reving!!! I love them, just got to make sure you degree them.. Thats the bad thing!

 

[KevinBoosted]

I dont see nothing wrong with the BCs!! For the price, these 288s are insane on the top end, they just want to keep on reving!!! I love them, just got to make sure you degree them.. Thats the bad thing!

Try some HKS cams i bet you see power gains through the top

 

[YOOOO]

I hope the BC cams are not to crapy and its just hear say, cause i just orderd some

They're don't it's just a bunch of nutswingers who have yet to make any intelligent argument as to why BC cams suck. For what you pay you get a great value for both power gains and quality. I'm not saying they're better than kelfords or hks because they're not, but those cams cost nearly twice as much. That doesn't mean BCs are crap though. and for the last time morons, 272 280 288 whatever ARE JUST NUMBERS TO ACT AS A GUIDELINE, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL CAM PROFILE OR POWER GAINS. I mean seriously do you people believe everything you read on the internet

Simple answer to the OPs simple question...if you have the dough go for kelford 272s as they will net you more power than BC 272s

I'm still waiting for firsthand experience as to why BC cams are crap. This is an important thread as cams are one of the easiest ways to gain significant power for those of us with upgraded turbos, and BCs are a popular choice. If BC cams truly are crap, please tell us exactly why for the further advancement of the dsm community. Seriously, if they really are I WILL SWAP OUT MY CAMS for proof. Unlike many dsm owners I am not on a budget so I don't mind being the guinea pig.

 

[TSimage]

^^ This man speaks much truth.

I laugh mainly at the people who mention the pathetic HK$ cams which are the worst cams I have EVER owned dollar for dollar. There is no reason to EVER purchase HK$ cams over FPs especially give the price, but then that's opening a whole new can. The BC288s have been known to be dogs but the 280s have put down competitive numbers. And this is coming from an FP/Comp owner and previous HK$ regretful owner. I wouldn't mind running the GC2s or Kelfords but that's after I sell my current FPX3Xs

 

[Sam@RRE]

So you save $300 and then turn around and spend $300 for cam gears. Just so you can degree them in to get them to somewhat close to right. The fact that they are that far from zero says a ton about how much R&D they put into it. =)

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

BC vs Kelford?!?!?! Thats like comparing a honda to a DSM, one is a daily driver never meant to go fast and one is a spirited car thats meant to go fast.

A HKS 272 will outperform a BC280, and you need adj. cam gear for the BC. So in the end you paid more for an underperforming overrated cam.

 

[slow4g6392tsi]

BC cams = cheap price/alright performance.

Kelford cams = lots more $/great performance.

 

[Boostdclips99]

Has any company or consumer ever put brian crowed 272s in an ACTUAL Dsm dyno comparison to other brands? I bought a set of them but haven't ran the car so I would like to see some hardcore evidence. I know there has been an evo and bc 280 comparison but that's not good evidence.

Seeing how cams are possibly one of the best mods for 4g63 I would think this has been done.

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

To the OP, Don't listen to guys like Ashtsi or Sony slave. They don't know wtf they are talking about. One probably does not even have a running car and the other is talking bad about a 280 duration cam running 11.7s.. I did that time on stock cams like 4+ years ago.. Hell I run high 11s in my size 11 Nike's..

I'm currently using the BC 280's and I'm trapping 145+MPH, If you are a member of DSMLINK forums, they did a REAL dsm cam test on there in 2008 or so. They did FP2xs GSC s2's BC 280s HKS 272s and 280s and a couple more... 1st place with the best idle was the GSC s2's and 2nd place only 9hp and 5tq behind was the BC 280s... Last place was the HKS 272s... Not bad for a cheap cam.. I paid 250$ for mine brand new.. What most people don't realize is that we own dsms not Supras or NSX's or skylines.. 95% of everyone in this game has a 12 sec car or slower... so why are you going to pay 600+ on a set of kelford cams when the rest of your crappy setup does not match the bill...

The next set of cams I was wanting to try was the GSC S2's but I'm really happy with the amount of performance per $ these bc 280s give... Spend your extra money you saved on an intake manifold..... Until you've actually hit low 11s I would not worry about anything over the old HKS 272, BC 272, or FP2 cams..

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

It's because of quality. Yes I know there are tons of people out there that run BC just fine, but they have been known to break. Ask SonySlave, he will tell you all about it. I also realize everything can break no matter who produces it. It's just that you hear about BC failing more often than others so you can assume it's a lower quality part.

this is silly.. anything can break

 

[99gst_racer]

If you are a member of DSMLINK forums, they did a REAL dsm cam test on there in 2008 or so.

Can you provide a url?

 

[LTUDSM]

To the OP, Don't listen to guys like Ashtsi or Sony slave. They don't know wtf they are talking about. One probably does not even have a running car and the other is talking bad about a 280 duration cam running 11.7s.. I did that time on stock cams like 4+ years ago.. Hell I run high 11s in my size 11 Nike's..

I'm currently using the BC 280's and I'm trapping 145+MPH, If you are a member of DSMLINK forums, they did a REAL dsm cam test on there in 2008 or so. They did FP2xs GSC s2's BC 280s HKS 272s and 280s and a couple more... 1st place with the best idle was the GSC s2's and 2nd place only 9hp and 5tq behind was the BC 280s... Last place was the HKS 272s... Not bad for a cheap cam.. I paid 250$ for mine brand new.. What most people don't realize is that we own dsms not Supras or NSX's or skylines.. 95% of everyone in this game has a 12 sec car or slower... so why are you going to pay 600+ on a set of kelford cams when the rest of your crappy setup does not match the bill...

The next set of cams I was wanting to try was the GSC S2's but I'm really happy with the amount of performance per $ these bc 280s give... Spend your extra money you saved on an intake manifold..... Until you've actually hit low 11s I would not worry about anything over the old HKS 272, BC 272, or FP2 cams..

+1

I got BC 272's ,The idle is smooth,car idles at steady 850rpms. 350 for BC AND 600 for HKS ,Kelford. or some other Big name???!! you paying for a name,thats how it is..... If you want to buy at least a muffler,look how much HKS costs and lets say some Megan Racing??!! Power is the same,no Difference.... But yeaaah HKS Costs twice much as the Megan Racing ### HKS is a long time member in a market

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

Can you provide a url?

PM'd URL...

 

[TheBoz]

I have run both HKS 272's and now I am on the Kelford 280's. I loved both sets of cams. The HKS 272 have a great well rounded power band, and are very consistent. They are going to be great for a car with a 16g to a 35r turbo. The same will go for the Kelford 272's.

Once I switched to the Kelford 280's they idle very well, and I only lost a little spool up compared to the HKS 272's. The 280's continue to make more power all the way to redline, and will hold a lot more torque to redline than the HKS cams for me.

All in all pick a cam for your driving and power requirements.

264 = less than 400hp - 14b-e316g
272 = less than 500hp - e316g-35r
280 = more than 500hp - 35r-huge

Just my thoughts.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

If you are a member of DSMLINK forums, they did a REAL dsm cam test on there in 2008 or so. They did FP2xs GSC s2's BC 280s HKS 272s and 280s and a couple more... 1st place with the best idle was the GSC s2's and 2nd place only 9hp and 5tq behind was the BC 280s... Last place was the HKS 272s... Not bad for a cheap cam...

You say BC 280s finished in 2nd place and the HKS 272s finished last, but AMS test says differently with Kelford, HKS, and GSC at the top of the game and BC last with significantly less HP/TQ.


A lot of factors come in to play when you're compare cams, like the turbo setup and/or a serious tune when you're comparing high degree cams like the 280s.

 

[Yngvar]

If you are a member of DSMLINK forums, they did a REAL dsm cam test on there in 2008 or so.

Can I get the link too

 

[95mattgst]

Just send your cams to delta and have them reground. It will run between 190-220 after shipping. They can make your cams 264 grinds 272 grinds and even larger.
these are reground cams 264/272 open down pipe. Delta Camshaft


YouTube - Eagle talon with 264/272 Delta cams

what kind of valve springs are you running stock? are delta cams your stock ones

 

[kp116]

I have been running BC 272's and I can't complain. Though I was on a stock intake and a bolt-on turbo they seemed to have great mid range and decent top end. I don't have any first hand experience with kelfords or hks. My next set of cams will be kelfords though...

 

[Boostdclips99]

They ran the test basically for a drag setup instead of a street driven car. They only had two 272 groups and the hks test ended with failure due to a bent valve.

I would like to see more conclusive evidence on these "cheap/underpowered" cams.

 

[johnmarines]

I'm running 264/272 BC cams and I am happy with the results.... I am on a budget like most people so the BC's were right down my ally.... with the thread about the delta cams... I am considering changing over....

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

You say BC 280s finished in 2nd place and the HKS 272s finished last, but AMS test says differently with Kelford, HKS, and GSC at the top of the game and BC last with significantly less HP/TQ.


A lot of factors come in to play when you're compare cams, like the turbo setup and/or a serious tune when you're comparing high degree cams like the 280s.

UHHH, my test I mentioned was on a REAL 1g DSM at lower boost levels AMS test were on an EVO... two completely different engines/ cam setups....

 

[1gDSM4g63]

They ran the test basically for a drag setup instead of a street driven car. They only had two 272 groups and the hks test ended with failure due to a bent valve.

I would like to see more conclusive evidence on these "cheap/underpowered" cams.

Kelford, HKS, and FP put in more research and developement to get there cams to perform better.

I for one started out with HKS 272 then on to BC 280 and then Kelford 280 because I thought the BC were under-performing compared to the HKS 272.
It just depends on what level you want to take your car to determine what manufacture to go with.

UHHH, my test I mentioned was on a REAL 1g DSM at lower boost levels AMS test were on an EVO... two completely different engines/ cam setups....

True... but I really didn't feel it with the BC 280. Even though they sounded meaner I really feel it perform-wise compared to the HKS 272.

 

[99gst_racer]

Can I get the link too

ECMTuning User Support Forums

 

[1gDSM4g63]

In case some of you don't have access to ECMLink forums...

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