What is this car worth / Is this car a good deal?

[Devilsfutbol17]

I found a 1996 Spyder GST for $4900. It is a 5-speed, 91,000 miles on it, white with black top, 17 inch rims. There is 80% tread left on the tires but the guy has a brand new never used set of tires for the car that is included in the price. He says the top doesn't leak, but it had a rip and was repaired, but he didn't like it, so he bought a brand new oem top that isn't installed and is included with the car. He says the interior is really nice, everything inside works, but you have to help the top up a little bit. He doesn't know if the timing belt has been replaced or not. It has a 3 inch cat back exhaust, 16G turbo, apexi intake and a greddy bov. He says it runs great and has no issues. He says he just wants to get rid of it because he doesn't drive it and its taking up space in his garage, which sounds good to me because he kept it garaged at least. he also said that the paint is good on it, no clear coat coming off, no body damage or dents. I'm going to check for crankwalk be looking at the clutch pedal when I turn left. I have been talking to the guy over the phone and I'm suppose to go drive for 4 hours to go and buy it if it checks out on Thursday. Does it sound good? Should I ask him or check for other things on it?

 

[fast420a83]

are you kidding me, do you have any idea how many engines i have built?



Who knows, i have no desire at this point in my life to have a car with that much power. If i had the time and money of coarse i could, but i don't just own one car and sink all my money into it. I am into the business of buying cars, fixing them and selling them, so i go thru them in volumes.

Then why do you argue and preach the power output abilities, and back it up if you have no desire to make that much power. Just to say you could??.. Anyone could!!..your making a pointless point!

Well a complete stock bottom end has already made more than 700 horsepower in both a 6 bolt and an evo 4g63, so there is your answer right there. A 6 bolt with stock, crank, rod, rod bolts, and pistons can handle 700+ horsepower. To make a 420a handle that much power you are going to have to buy forged internals, lots of port work, bigger valves, and so on. You will have 3k + just wrapped up in the cylinder head and another 2k in the bottom end with parts and machine work.

700whp stock block,.. Prove it!

 

[bryanwheat]

Btw Canada was debt free a few years back. Can you tell me the last time America was? .

Hey now!!! Just kidding. This racist fool doesn't represent us Americans well.

700whp stock block,.. Prove it!

Ostar Motorsports 2012 Stock Block Build - YouTube

IF you need more than this than something is wrong with you.

 

[bryanwheat]

Lets see some 420a's doing this.

Brent Rau - Never Give up - Worlds Fastest Mitsubishi - YouTube

AMS EVO Goes 8.42 @168.7 MPH - NEW WORLD RECORD! - YouTube

NEW! John Shepherd 7.70@191mph DSM 11/10/2006 (Inner View) - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ybStNPUZloM

 

[fast420a83]

Good point. I forgot you stated that you lived up north. Well, I hope it works out!

 

[MakeItHappen]

Want an eclipse so bad
Decided im not going to get it because by the time i get the engine and customize with all the stuff i want to where im ready to install it it will be the middle of winter and pa+winter+motor install=no garage and frost bite so i would wait till spring.
so if i wont even have a car till next spring because of that i might aswell save up to $5k and buy a gst built or awd gsx ### even tho awd doesnt equal 4wd i think it would still be a little better in the snow

if you know anyone getting rid of a 95-99 eclipse for under 2 grand, tell them i will buy it but it might be a while so try and hold it for as long as possible

 

[MakeItHappen]

that high mileage is a bit risky,
i have seen cars that work fine and reach up their and then everything needs replaced because they are so worn out, even with no rust expect to have to buy a lot of little things
like how my rear view mirror falls of every 500 miles?
it sits in the back seat now

 

[bryanwheat]

Want an eclipse so bad
Decided im not going to get it because by the time i get the engine and customize with all the stuff i want to where im ready to install it it will be the middle of winter and pa+winter+motor install=no garage and frost bite so i would wait till spring.
so if i wont even have a car till next spring because of that i might aswell save up to $5k and buy a gst built or awd gsx ### even tho awd doesnt equal 4wd i think it would still be a little better in the snow

if you know anyone getting rid of a 95-99 eclipse for under 2 grand, tell them i will buy it but it might be a while so try and hold it for as long as possible

Awd 2g's do pretty well in the snow, but awd 1g's are like a tank in the snow. I could never get mine stuck no matter what i did. I literally drove that thing thru snow that was higher than the bottom of the bumper.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

My final advise would be to go with your wants. You said you liked the n/a, So dont let the thought of a gst or gsx hold you back.. The 420a is just as powerful when built.. 420a DSM-ZERO 661hp & 463tq at 30psi NEW WORLD RECORD!! - YouTube

But will cost you twice as much than to do it with a 4g63 car. I also have yet to see a 1,000+ horse 420a, and no option for awd.

More than twice. That guy dyno'ed in the mid 600's and he spared no expense and had some awesome work put into that car to get the 600 he got out of it. Which is almost stock block 4g63 abilities! I'm poor with mid 400!

I did the 420A thing, NEver again. EVERRRRRRRR. Not even for a Daily Driver. I daily drive my GSX. And I have never gotten out of the car and not said "g-dayummmm I love that car!" with a huge smile on my face!

As for snow, only thing that ever held me back was the shitty differentials. My Black 2g GSX never got stuck.... stuck. I had to be pulled out once only because the more I moved the car, the more it slid into a tree and I wasn't having that. I've been in some knee deep shit with my 2g GSX on 19's and street tires and it just drives right through it. My 1g on stock wheels with fatter tires didn't do so well, but I don't remember ever getting it stuck too. And I do offroad them. We get 4ft snow drifts and I ram my car through them all right next to my brothers lifted Taco

 

[ed1380]

All you are arguing about is a 700 dollar difference to get forged pistons and rods.. and if you are getting offended about the Canadian comments then I am sorry.. Some people are born winners (American) and some people are born losers (Canadian)

Nice, But its a new rebuild..Try doing that with a 100,000 mile motor. I gaurantee that tranny had to be rebuilt with a Shep trans!

I'm sorry but you're an idiot. Who cares if the tranny has to be rebuilt? Were talking engines and hp. But since you're talking drivetrain, how are you going to put down 700hp in a fwd?

Back to engines. You claimed that the 420a was better because it had one piece main bearings, but did you know that the 92+ 4g63 does have a one piece main bearing girdle. Of course not, you know jack shit about engines. I bet you have jiffy lube do your oil changes.

And lastly- if you make 700hp for $700 in a 420a, ill give you that money. Which I know you wont.
Good headgasket-100
Bearings-100
Head studs-250
Rods and pistons- 700

Oh shit you're out of money and you still wont make it into the 700's.

 

[perk85]

I would buy it if it were close to me:hell yeah: but i would just build it anyway so miles don't scare me.

 

[WES_393]

All you are arguing about is a 700 dollar difference to get forged pistons and rods.. and if you are getting offended about the Canadian comments then I am sorry.. Some people are born winners (American) and some people are born losers (Canadian)

Nice, But its a new rebuild..Try doing that with a 100,000 mile motor. I gaurantee that tranny had to be rebuilt with a Shep trans!

Oh look, another noob who feels his Neon engine is superior to all. Not a single thing you have stated is accurate. At all. The 420a can not "easily make 1000hp" and I highly doubt someone as ignorant as you will even make it over 200whp. Not to mention your racist remarks would get you booted off this forum instantly if it were up to me.

 

[WES_393]

I doubt there will be rust in the strut tower area, unless his hood had a hole in it, or he drove around without one.

Once again, a completely incorrect and unfounded post. Strut tower rust is very common on DSM's, especially 2g's. It can also be a very serious problem as it causes obvious support issues with the suspension. So no, cars don't have to driven without a hood for the body to rust.

 

[Bud92gsx]

I found him a nice 95 gsx..In the state.. So wait untill he updates the thread tomarrow.

 

[fast420a83]

Ed and Wes.. you are both idiots!.. Can you make 700hp with 700 dollars on the 4g63?..No. So what is your point??. And who cares if the tranny has to be rebuilt?!?.. Honestly???..Anyone should!!.. At least the Neon engine is made here in America. Your engine is just a bunch of seen it, done it!.. No real skill involved. Just buy a part and slap it on. You have no actual skills. Our motor has far less than your engines in aftermarket goodies, so we have to BUILD them. THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE OUR ENGINE IS BETTER. A better feel of accomplishment.. Something you will probably never understand!.. Besides, I never said one racist thing.. I called him a not so smart Canadian. I am American!.... I wouldn't be offended for someone stating it!.. I would say. "Yep! and proud of it!"

 

[fast420a83]

Once again, a completely incorrect and unfounded post. Strut tower rust is very common on DSM's, especially 2g's. It can also be a very serious problem as it causes obvious support issues with the suspension. So no, cars don't have to driven without a hood for the body to rust.

Completely incorrect, Wes?.. I live in the south so I don't have to worry about rust due to snow.. and like I stated earlier I didnt see he mentioned he did, so I took back what I said.. Get your eyes fixed! (and that front bumper, it looks retarded!) ... And I agree with Perk85's comment.

 

[AK Maniak]

Completely incorrect, Wes?.. I live in the south so I don't have to worry about rust due to snow.. and like I stated earlier I didnt see he mentioned he did, so I took back what I said.. Get your eyes fixed! (and that front bumper, it looks retarded!) ... And I agree with Perk85's comment.

Just because you live where there isn't snow doesn't mean that oxidation can't occur. Just don't assume there is no rust.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

This is getting old. Everyone that has had both a 420a and a 4G63 that I know would choose the 4G63 and besides the 4G63 is one of the best 4 cylinder motors ever made! So he thinks his 420a is better cause it's harder to find parts and cause its "made in America". Let him think it. Everyone that's truly passionate about they're platform thinks they're cars/engine is the best. This thread wasn't supposed to be a bashing about the 420a. Just a question of if the the car the op was interested in was worth it.

 

[Cj'srs]

That belt that is missing there you dont need it. and acording to the mods it has 6k is not a bad price just make sure timing belt was replaced and also do a compressuon test. Test drive. paint looks is good condition and the good part is a 6 bolt and last ask for a discount hehe

 

[H4G64T]

700whp stock block,.. Prove it!

Mike Rizzoti has made 625 WHP on his stock 6 bolt bottom end, with an average of 18% drivetrain loss...let's do the math.

82/100 and 625/x

625 * 100 = 62500

62500 / 82 = 762 crank horsepower. He ran 9s on it. Need anymore proof?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWVBPShSXs

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Whatever, I'll take the suspension for what needs to be said.

You are clown, you have no clue what you are talking about. If it was so easy to get a 420A into the 600+ hp area, than why has only 1, maybe 2, accomplished it. Get over it the 420A is a horrendous performance platform. And this is coming from a guy with not 1 but 2 boosted 420As.

 

[areck]

Bud92gsx

This guy is awesome he found me a way better candidate in much better condition and closer to my house. I am going to go look at it on Sunday, and hopefully pick it up the vin checks out and clean and clear title. Cant wait to build this I got some good ideas for it.

Only cons are needs new transmission 2nd gear is shot. and needs the back left wheel bearing replaced but the mileage is very low for the gear and the body is in amazing condition from what I have seen thus far. I feel like the price is very fair as well.

 

[fast420a83]

Just because you live where there isn't snow doesn't mean that oxidation can't occur. Just don't assume there is no rust.

You can find alot of old cars from the 60's rust free in a dry dessert setting. It all depends on where you live.. I didn't know where he lived because I failed to read it, but I corrected myself, FOR THE 3RD TIME NOW!. No need to puff your chest and "assume" you know more... Post some pics areck!

 

[areck]

Going to go see it tomorrow I have some pics of my Evo X if ya wana see that .

 

[fast420a83]

Sure, I like the Evo X..What's done to it?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Bought it!

 

[Bud92gsx]

Going to go see it tomorrow I have some pics of my Evo X if ya wana see that .

Pics of evo x or ban.