What is this car worth / Is this car a good deal?

[Devilsfutbol17]

I found a 1996 Spyder GST for $4900. It is a 5-speed, 91,000 miles on it, white with black top, 17 inch rims. There is 80% tread left on the tires but the guy has a brand new never used set of tires for the car that is included in the price. He says the top doesn't leak, but it had a rip and was repaired, but he didn't like it, so he bought a brand new oem top that isn't installed and is included with the car. He says the interior is really nice, everything inside works, but you have to help the top up a little bit. He doesn't know if the timing belt has been replaced or not. It has a 3 inch cat back exhaust, 16G turbo, apexi intake and a greddy bov. He says it runs great and has no issues. He says he just wants to get rid of it because he doesn't drive it and its taking up space in his garage, which sounds good to me because he kept it garaged at least. he also said that the paint is good on it, no clear coat coming off, no body damage or dents. I'm going to check for crankwalk be looking at the clutch pedal when I turn left. I have been talking to the guy over the phone and I'm suppose to go drive for 4 hours to go and buy it if it checks out on Thursday. Does it sound good? Should I ask him or check for other things on it?

 

[fast420a83]

That's how you do it if you wanna knock up some chick, and lose all your money to child support... Get it and throw it in storage. If you get to it then good. If not then it will probably double in value in a few years, after more of them disapear.

 

[nuclearr]

Do not do it I. bought my 96 Spyder Gst for $300 it needed a transmission, engine mounts, and to have the intercooler reconnected.

I just paied $800 for a wrecked 97 Spyder that needs a radiator support, radiator, bumper support, and a bumper. For $800 car has a fully built engine in it.

 

[areck]

Thanks makes sense

 

[fast420a83]

My final advise would be to go with your wants. You said you liked the n/a, So dont let the thought of a gst or gsx hold you back.. The 420a is just as powerful when built.. 420a DSM-ZERO 661hp & 463tq at 30psi NEW WORLD RECORD!! - YouTube

 

[bryanwheat]

The 420a is just as powerful when built.. ]

But will cost you twice as much than to do it with a 4g63 car. I also have yet to see a 1,000+ horse 420a, and no option for awd.

 

[Bud92gsx]

Although it is stock which is good..Let me... Hold on there new guy.I'll send a text here.

Theres a 95 gsx with 105k on it needs a trans for sale here in the state.Pm me if you want to know more.

 

[ricktb]

find one with less miles ### you'll end up spending build money on maintenance... even mine is far from that and I'm 5 years into it and still no 300whp.. I spent over 8 k on maintenanceso far I could have bought go fast parts, but at the end of the day you dont want a wheel to fall off at 100mph. To replace the strut tower properly could cost a couple grand

 

[fast420a83]

How do you figure twice as much?.. What performance part on the 420a costs twice as much as the 4g63.. and as far as the tranny. The 420a has longer gears so you will stay in boost longer. (Check out that video, and just see how long that thing sits in boost before redline.) As far as 1,000hp it should have no problem hitting it. Just no one has done it yet.. The perfect reason to get one.

 

[fast420a83]

If he looks for one with less miles than he is looking to spend twice the money as well. (Which is probably the same price difference in repairs, IF he has any, so it should even out in that aspect.) In my opinion the car is clean. Just do a good test drive before the purchace. (Plus, he will probably upgrade the worn out suspension anyways. Just make that your first mod.)

 

[bryanwheat]

How do you figure twice as much?.. What performance part on the 420a costs twice as much as the 4g63.. and as far as the tranny. The 420a has longer gears so you will stay in boost longer. (Check out that video, and just see how long that thing sits in boost before redline.) As far as 1,000hp it should have no problem hitting it. Just no one has done it yet.. The perfect reason to get one.

Easily twice as much. The stock block 6 bolt record is higher than the built block 420a record. The stock transmission and drivetrain will hold more power on the turbo cars, the ecu's are tunable. You have to build the engine with forged internals just to make over 300 horsepower with a 420a. The 420a is also a semi open deck block so the cylinders aren't near as strong as the 4g63, that alone is one of the big reasons that the record is 661 horsepower. Everything about the 4g63 platform is better for performance. There is not one single aspect of the 420a car that makes it better for performance or else you would see a lot more guys making a lot of power out of them.

 

[6bolt4g63]

You have to go check out the car in person. Ive seen high mileage DSM's that were fresh and vise versa with low mileage. Its all about the owner, how they took care of it. The rust is the biggest issue, it could be heavy in spots you cant see.. like underneath the side skirts. See if the motor is original, trans, etc.

Go look at it, check it out real good, then ask yourself how much would you pay for it... then tell the seller that price and go from there.

 

[6bolt4g63]

If your looking for a ordinary car to work on then go for it. Only thing is, that car has no resale value, so you might dump alot of money into and itll be worth like $1500 or something depending on condition and what works(AC).

Now if you look around you might find a cheap turbo 1st gen that needs work, then you can work on it and when its all fixed up, you can enjoy it.

 

[areck]

I am gonna take pictures to my body guy tomarrow and see what he would quote the strut towers at. Considering they arnt big rust spots on them I highly doubt they will have to replace the whole thing when I get there it will be the determining factor whether or not I buy it but if all checks out. I think 2300 is a pretty good deal the vin also checks out in car fax no accidents in 230,000 miles clean and clear title.

 

[fast420a83]

Easily twice as much. The stock block 6 bolt record is higher than the built block 420a record. The stock transmission and drivetrain will hold more power on the turbo cars, the ecu's are tunable. You have to build the engine with forged internals just to make over 300 horsepower with a 420a. The 420a is also a semi open deck block so the cylinders aren't near as strong as the 4g63, that alone is one of the big reasons that the record is 661 horsepower. Everything about the 4g63 platform is better for performance. There is not one single aspect of the 420a car that makes it better for performance or else you would see a lot more guys making a lot of power out of them.

Still have yet to hear why the 420a is twice as much to build???.. and there is no company yet to make a built tranny for our cars (just a slightly better oem) So that car is rocking a close to stock tranny. Compared to your expensive Shep trans.. Our ecu is tunable using MegaSquirt... Also, I do believe the record now is over 700whp.. Yes, we have to build our motors internals to reach that number, but so do you.. The only advantage you have is MAYBE hitting 500hp on the stock block if you have a good running motor. Our blocks are still cast iron and have pretty thick walls. Should have no problem hitting 1,000hp.. It is just a bad motor for those people like you who don't know how to swap out pistons. (Besides, do you think you will ever reach 700hp in your lifetime on your 4g63?...Probably not)

 

[fast420a83]

I am gonna take pictures to my body guy tomarrow and see what he would quote the strut towers at. Considering they arnt big rust spots on them I highly doubt they will have to replace the whole thing when I get there it will be the determining factor whether or not I buy it but if all checks out. I think 2300 is a pretty good deal the vin also checks out in car fax no accidents in 230,000 miles clean and clear title.

Lol.. I don't mean to sound mean, but that was pretty funny what you said.. You cant take a picture of something and expect the bodyshop guy to guess if there is rust under the paint. You will have to test drive it to the shop for him to see it in person.. and I doubt there will be rust in the strut tower area, unless his hood had a hole in it, or he drove around without one.

 

[Bpk]

in the end it all depends on what YOU are willing to do and how much $$ you want to dump into it. I agree with the others except the GSX part, I run a 98 GST and have a small fortune invested into it. But it all depends on how far you are willing to go.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

(Besides, do you think you will ever reach 700hp in your lifetime on your 4g63?...Probably not)

long b4 you ever will in your 420a. If you don't know and understand why they are twice as much to build then you obviously haven't done your homework. (or haven't done a good job with it)

 

[fast420a83]

long b4 you ever will in your 420a. If you don't know and understand why they are twice as much to build then you obviously haven't done your homework. (or haven't done a good job with it)

Oh, so you know how much money I make?.. If you are so smart then enlighten me why the 420a cost more to build???.. I have owned both platforms. I have no problem with either of them. Your the uneducated one if you can't answer my question! Probably cause your from stinkin Canada EEhhhh!.. Are a landscaper, and own a jeep!..

 

[tkelly27]

As long as there are 4g63t 2gs to be had, no 420a project is really worth doing unless it is something that makes you happy. I've helped build a 420a turbo manifold, and helped get one running on megasquirt. It was all very difficult and not as fast as my $1000 1g or even my $1200 turbo plymouth voyager, but it makes a cool sound and it looks bad ass.

I just recently purchased a 1965 ford falcon. It has a tired 302, and a beat up body. I didn't buy it because it was a good idea, I did it because I wanted to. Having the car in my driveway and slowly working on it makes me happy. If something like that appeals to you, then go for it. If you want a turbo 2g to drive, wait for a 4g63.

If the project is too much for you, and she's having trouble selling it, you should offer to haul it off to the scrapper for her and give her the $ to be a nice guy. It's probably worth $150-300, and getting the space and memory of her ex the hell out of her house is without price.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Oh, so you know how much money I make?.. If you are so smart then enlighten me why the 420a cost more to build???.. I have owned both platforms. I have no problem with either of them. Your the uneducated one if you can't answer my question! Probably cause your from stinkin Canada EEhhhh!.. Are a landscaper, and own a jeep!..

And do you know how much I make?

Don't get so offended over the truth. Stock block six bolt record again is over the fully built 420a record engine. This answers your question but since your being told for the second time your not looking very educated here.

Also there is,a,guy on here with a 2g gst making close to 500hp and the engine has NEVER BEEN OPENED. Think you can make anywhere near that much without opening up your 420a?

You sound like a little kid trying to insult me with my heritage? You do know what that word means right? Just checking.

BTW the engine under the hood that jeep is worth 5 420a's. Also you would have to spend almost 2 grand or more on a 420a to be anywhere near its STOCK hp.

I am not an elitest or hater of the 420a but the cost argument you are having over it is pointless and really futile.

 

[areck]

Lol.. I don't mean to sound mean, but that was pretty funny what you said.. You cant take a picture of something and expect the bodyshop guy to guess if there is rust under the paint. You will have to test drive it to the shop for him to see it in person.. and I doubt there will be rust in the strut tower area, unless his hood had a hole in it, or he drove around without one.

This guy has done alot of work on my cars, brought him pictures before and as long as there good angles he can have an idea and give me a rough estimate which is better then nothing. I really need to just see it in person to determine whats up and were to go from there. One thing you learn with dsms from wisconsin or areas were it snows is we salt roads here which can cause alot of damage becuase that shit gets up in your wheel wells. I have pictures of the rust in addition to what is online.

 

[boost97gst]

So true what has been said. I bought mine with 199k on it and the little things have killed me. Everything is just more rattly and theres more little dents and other shit that just really adds up so fast. I wish i had waited. I paid 1k for mine too! With a blown motor.... I shopped for 6 months and it was the best deal i could find. Now i look and theres a nice gsx/tsi awd for sale every other day for like 3k. Go figure.
If things look ok on it, especially the rust, then try it at 1800 and go from there. That is one thing i dont have: one spot of rust, thats the biggest selling point. I would be very leary of any rust at all.

 

[bryanwheat]

It is just a bad motor for those people like you who don't know how to swap out pistons. ...Probably not)

Are you kidding me, do you have any idea how many engines i have built?

(Besides, do you think you will ever reach 700hp in your lifetime on your 4g63?...Probably not)

Who knows, i have no desire at this point in my life to have a car with that much power. If i had the time and money of coarse i could, but i don't just own one car and sink all my money into it. I am into the business of buying cars, fixing them and selling them, so i go thru them in volumes.

.. WHAT PART OF THE 420A MOTOR COSTS MORE TO BUILD, THAN THE 4G63 TO MAKE 700HP???... !

Well a complete stock bottom end has already made more than 700 horsepower in both a 6 bolt and an evo 4g63, so there is your answer right there. A 6 bolt with stock, crank, rod, rod bolts, and pistons can handle 700+ horsepower. To make a 420a handle that much power you are going to have to buy forged internals, lots of port work, bigger valves, and so on. You will have 3k + just wrapped up in the cylinder head and another 2k in the bottom end with parts and machine work.

 

[areck]

So true what has been said. I bought mine with 199k on it and the little things have killed me. Everything is just more rattly and theres more little dents and other shit that just really adds up so fast. I wish i had waited. I paid 1k for mine too! With a blown motor.... I shopped for 6 months and it was the best deal i could find. Now i look and theres a nice gsx/tsi awd for sale every other day for like 3k. Go figure.
If things look ok on it, especially the rust, then try it at 1800 and go from there. That is one thing i dont have: one spot of rust, thats the biggest selling point. I would be very leary of any rust at all.

I couldnt agree more, but I will not be able to tell for sure till I can see it in person. Its not my first DSM so I understand were to look and I know the mistakes I made the first time when I bought one. Its not going to be a DD at all its going to be my project car. My DD is a 2008 Evo X GSR. Waiting on the warrenty to run out before I do any major mods to it. It already has a few bolt ons that will not void my warranty.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

You are the one proving that Canadian's will always be 2nd to Americans.. I dont care how much your P.O.S. Jeep engine costs. Its still a crappy Jeep!.. You still have yet to answer my question so I will keep asking it until your tiny Canadian brain can understand... WHAT PART OF THE 420A MOTOR COSTS MORE TO BUILD, THAN THE 4G63 TO MAKE 700HP???... All I do is ask you a question, and you ask me the same question I asked you.. You dont answer a question with a qustion.. Didn't they teach you that in Canida?

Oh jeez dude let me spoon feed you then. Try this again stock block record is 749. So since you do NOT have to build the block to make,700hp it costs more to build the block of a 420a than the 4g63.

So put it simply for the simple to.understand. Cost of building the block to make 700+hp on the 4g63=$0.00

Cost of building the block on a 420a to.make 700+hp(which has yet to be done in case you forgot that part) is alot higher than $0.00.

Your not even worth arguing with if you can't comprehend that.

Btw Canada was debt free a few years back. Can you tell me the last time America was? Really childish of you to spout nonsense. No1 cares about that. Quit trying to make someone mad ### your just looking stupid now.