what do you think of my setup?

[dsmfreak555]

this setup is in the works so i thought i get some of the gurus opinions.

50trim(or s256)
255hp pump
afpr
650cc injectors(will buy larger eventually but i already have them)
dsmlink(3.5map,wbo2)
maft/gm maf
fmic
3" turboback
stock 6bolt
fp dual spring kit
fp2x's
act2600
alchy/wayer injections
arp headstuds and mitsu mls headgasket


well thats my planned setup so far(i repeat not in that order) what do you guys think? anything im missing?

oh yeah ported 2g or evo manifold and o2 housing

 

[drivemusicnow]

Unless you REALLY want that PSHHH sound, I would not reccomend the GM MAF setup. It's a pain to setup, and doesn't really provide much, if any, benefit.

DSMLink is a quality choice, especially with the MAP sensor and WBO2.

Oh, and realize that there are A LOT of little things you're forgetting about that will add in as far as cost go. Not stuff you really need to think about until you're working on each individual system, but just keep in mind that there are lots of little things that add up.

 

[JayRolla]

The GM maf should be fine. Yes you will have a loud BOV. Just make sure you get the maf-t gen 2, because it is way better. Also remember you are going to have a stock block so you dont want to push it to hard. 350whp is the most you should run reliably.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

I would not reccomend the GM MAF setup. It's a pain to setup, and doesn't really provide much, if any, benefit.

Aside more accurated fuel delivery, protection against fuel cut, better gas milage from more accurate air flow, and better flow than the 1g MAF. Then yeah thier aren't any real benefits. And I would recirc. with it anyways.

 

[drivemusicnow]

The GM maf should be fine. Yes you will have a loud BOV. Just make sure you get the maf-t gen 2, because it is way better. Also remember you are going to have a stock block so you dont want to push it to hard. 350whp is the most you should run reliably.

... I disagree on a few things:

A) GM maf with DSMLink is almost entirely unneccesary, and gives you more problems because you have to calibrate it in DSMLink.
B) When using DSMLink there really isn't a benefit to using gen 2 over gen 1 (this is from reading DSMLink forum posts of people saying that it doesn't matter. Also people selling them after not gaining anything with the expense)
C) Stock blocks have held north of 500whp. Not saying that I'd try and rely on that engine to get me to work everymorning, but it's not like there haven't been numerous people who have done it. It's all in the tuning.

 

[andymoraitis]

I would not reccomend the GM MAF setup. It's a pain to setup, and doesn't really provide much, if any, benefit.

I'll agree with that statement. I do however recommend the 2G MAF for accurate metering. I've only flowed mine to 51 lbs/min unhacked but I'm sure that with DSM Link and a lower honeycomb removed you can squeeze a bit more air from it before hitting overrun. There's nothing like running a log and knowing your airflow numbers are correct. You could also try an EVO VIII MAF as they've been proven to handle upwards of 500WHP before crushing the honeycombs together.

 

[drivemusicnow]

Aside more accurated fuel delivery, protection against fuel cut, better gas milage from more accurate air flow, and better flow than the 1g MAF. Then yeah thier aren't any real benefits. And I would recirc. with it anyways.

More accurate fuel delivery? what to injectors get better aim? I think you meant to say more accurate air metering which is just not true.
Protection against fuel cut? This is what we use DSMLink for.
Better gas mileage? TUNING, done by DSMLINK which happens to be a heck of a lot better at doing it than a maf translator.
Better flow? Yes, the GM maf is less restrictive than 1g MAF. Put a 2g MAF on. costs a hell of a lot less, and is less restrictive than the first gen, and is easily corrected for in DSMLink. (it's already programmed in as an option. 1 click and you're set.

 

[dsmfreak555]

thanks guys for all the input, as far what hp i want for now 350-375awhp sounds good as i live in hawaii, so not alot of places to open her up, the reason i was going to use the gm maf was because i thought the 2g maf falls short at 400crank hp or is it whp? so i didn't wan t restriction hampering my airflow and yes it will be a pita to calibrate, maybe i should use the "use map" setting on dsmlink(the one where it ignores the maf cause of maf overrun, and uses a basic speed density...dsmlink has this if im not mistaken) this setup is in the works so its not solid, i have picked up a spare block from the junkyard, and im going to be starting a stroker build(like i said im on an island and we have no track anymore it closed down) i know im a newbie to this board but im not a newbie around cars, i have built a few engines already, one of them was a 6g72(that motor has alot of power potential!!!!! twin 15gs 20+ psi, that car was a rocket for bieng so heavy..oh yeah it wasn't mine though i wish it was!)

oh the strokers is a long ways in the making!!!!

sorry didn't see andys post about the 2g maf flow 51lbs/min that should be more than enough airflow for my planned setup plus i already have a 2g maf, so yeah i won't need the gm maft, but it kinda sucks cause i'll to wait till i do my fmic piping to change over to a different bov that can recirculate(hks ssqv that the guy who owned the car before me is not to friendly when you try to recirculate it...i saw a thread on this) which bov would guys recommend? something that will hold about 25 psi

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

I meant to put air reading, not sure why I said fuel delivery and I didn't notice you were running DSMLink. I thought you were tuning off MAF alone. I agree with Andy's post. Go with the 2g maf. There are people here running 38lbs on a GT35R on the 2g maf still.

 

[TSG59_Steve]

Wideband? Your setup is looking pretty close to mine actually.

 

[Snobordin8]

Wideband? Your setup is looking pretty close to mine actually.

I would switch the maft setup for a wideband.

He has wideband in there:

50trim(or s256)
255hp pump
afpr
650cc injectors(will buy larger eventually but i already have them)
dsmlink(3.5map,wbo2)
maft/gm maf
fmic
3" turboback
stock 6bolt
fp dual spring kit
fp2x's
act2600
alchy/wayer injections
arp headstuds and mitsu mls headgasket

Sounds like an awesome setup!

 

[fulanititoo8198]

He has wideband in there:

My bad , your right I took my post out.

 

[dsmfreak555]

just quick correction, this setup is something that im planning to put on, im ordering dsmling and the wbo2 and map, and i have a local guy here who want to get rid of his frontmount(28x9x3.5 yeah i know ill need something larger when i build my stroker but for 125 i cant pass that up...just the core. will that handle the 50trim?) also the top half is in the works(as well as turbo) cause wallets a little low after i purchase my dsmlink and the sensors, i would rather have tuning ability and fuel before i get turbos, and a built top end cause the 14b still got some life in it, at 20 psi(probobly falling off at higher boost) it should pull enough as long as i tune it good. water injection is next though so i can get away with that much boost(its pretty warm down here) thanks for all the info