Another ''what do you think of my setup''

[94_TSi]

Alright guys im not a newb, ive been in the game for going on 8 years just thought this section was best fitted for this. Just wanting opinions or advice on the setup for this year. I have already done alot of talking and deliberating with buddies that have been where I am and now far exceeded my setup and they think im good for tens easy with minimal weight shedding. Lets see what everyone else thinks.

Car-92 tsi awd 5spd
Goal- 550-650hp on 30-35 psi. weekend toy and strip car for now
Budget-money is there
Heres the list

engine-2.3 stroker. eagle rods and wiescos,balanced, ams race shafts,mls hg,slight porting of head,headstuds, kiggly daul valve springs,kelford 272's,everything new oem that should be.

Intake-custom 4'' intake with k&n, all custom ic piping,tial bov,stock throttle body,magnus smim, slowboy race core

Fuel-twin intank 255's,pump rewire, fuelab filter,aeromotive a1000 afpr,aem rail(got it free so ill run it),fic blue max 1450's, e-85

management-dsmlink v3, defi boost gauge, lc1 wideband, speed density kit from dsmlink

turbo- pte 6262 journal bearing, pte 38mm external gate, custom race manifold done by a local guy, full 3'' exhaust no cat

suspsension/drivetrain misc.-kyb agx all the way around with b&g springs,16'' volk te 37's, all poly mounts, non abs conversion. braided brake lines,2g brakes up front, battery relocated,stock 2g trans and transfer case, 4 bolt rear, act 2600 w/street disk and light flywheel for now

 

[Absit]

You probably don't need a SMIM, and you definitely should go with bigger injectors, 1600 or better.

 

[SpawnedX]

I think you should consider 280/280 camshafts for that HP goal. If you do go with 272s the Kiggly springs are a waste of money. The AMS racing shafts are a huge waste, for 21 years guys have been just removing the BS without issue, why reinvent the wheel?

 

[94_TSi]

You probably don't need a SMIM, and you definitely should go with bigger injectors, 1600 or better.

Guess I should have made it more clear that some parts are basically free and thats the reason. Also from what I have gathered 1450's are one of the best injectors from a driveability standpoint. I think the idc's should stay decent.

 

[SpawnedX]

I didn't even see the injectors, if you are getting 1450s, just get 1600s, really.

 

[Absit]

Guess I should have made it more clear that some parts are basically free and thats the reason. Also from what I have gathered 1450's are one of the best injectors from a driveability standpoint. I think the idc's should stay decent.

Rough dirty basic math suggests you'll need at least 1600s on E85, check some other setups.

Or buy them and try it for yourself, your IDCs will show you the way.

 

[94_TSi]

I think you should consider 280/280 camshafts for that HP goal. If you do go with 272s the Kiggly springs are a waste of money. The AMS racing shafts are a huge waste, for 21 years guys have been just removing the BS without issue, why reinvent the wheel?

We have discussed 280's but are thinking power may drop off before they are really used. I know kelford 272's are actually under rated and may put me in the same boat thats why they have not been bought yet. As far as the ams shafts go they will most likely be pulled for the $40 bsek. Originally the motor was going to be a higher revving 2.0. Thanks for the replys keep them coming.

Rough dirty basic math suggests you'll need at least 1600s on E85, check some other setups.

Or buy them and try it for yourself, your IDCs will show you the way.

The 1450's have already been bought and are staying. Not trying to shun away your advice, thanks for it. We will see what they do and ill be sure and let everyone know if a have to go to 1600's.

 

[SpawnedX]

The point isn't do you need to go to 1600s, the point is there was no reason not to. You obviously will be using Link, with Link I can toss 1600s on my T25 at stock boost and still run the car without issues, why not go bigger and have injectors for life.

 

[Absit]

Too late! Perhaps your brainstorming thread should come before your shopping spree?

..SpawnedX you're a terrible influence on me.

 

[94_TSi]

The point isn't do you need to go to 1600s, the point is there was no reason not to. You obviously will be using Link, with Link I can toss 1600s on my T25 at stock boost and still run the car without issues, why not go bigger and have injectors for life.

I agree with this but the injectors are here and I know they wont be working that hard with a correct tune.

 

[SpawnedX]

I know, but I try...I mean no, no I do not...

I know it's too late, but somewhere down the line some newb is going to read this thread and if I didn't point that information out he could somehow find a way to blame me for buying 550s for his 35R.

 

[94_TSi]

Too late! Perhaps your brainstorming thread should come before your shopping spree?

..SpawnedX you're a terrible influence on me.

No there was no shopping spree research and discussion. Get off the injector kick. Everything will be ok I promise you, I cant stand the thought of you losing sleep over this.

I know, but I try...I mean no, no I do not...

I know it's too late, but somewhere down the line some newb is going to read this thread and if I didn't point that information out he could somehow find a way to blame me for buying 550s for his 35R.

Your point is valid and well taken.

 

[SpawnedX]

Dude, I am not trying to make you lose sleep, but all similar builds I see using e85 are using 1600s at the very least, if not larger. You have to remember e85 does not burn at the same efficiency as fuel, so your injectors are going to have to work even harder.

My build is so moderate compared to yours, E316G and I was discussing e85 and I was told to go no smaller than 1150s.

 

[94_TSi]

Dude, I am not trying to make you lose sleep, but all similar builds I see using e85 are using 1600s at the very least, if not larger. You have to remember e85 does not burn at the same efficiency as fuel, so your injectors are going to have to work even harder.

My build is so moderate compared to yours, E316G and I was discussing e85 and I was told to go no smaller than 1150s.

I think you have been around long enough to know that your tune is EVERYTHING. I dont want this to turn into a pissing contest but I can give numerous first hand experiences with cars making such and such hp on this injector and e-85 and I firmly believe that this is adequate injector for my setup. Maybe this will ease your mind some, I want 550hp. My goal that says 550-650 is like this, if we could happen to squeeze 650 out of it then great if it makes 551 even better....

 

[SpawnedX]

I'm just asking you to run this by some more knowlegeable tuners just in case. If they say you are okay, great, but I would rather hear of someone who actually wants to be serious with these cars get the best information and have the lowest possible chance of failures.

 

[94_TSi]

I'm just asking you to run this by some more knowlegeable tuners just in case. If they say you are okay, great, but I would rather hear of someone who actually wants to be serious with these cars get the best information and have the lowest possible chance of failures.

Understood and I do appreciate it. This has been ran by big names (im not going to pull the name dropping shit there is no need for it). I have no issue with listening and taking information in, thats half of the reason I am where I am today. Also hints the reason for this thread.

Just messing around and came across this. This is a quote from firebirdvert305 from right here on tuners on 4-25-10.

I have first hand information with these injectors on both 93 octane and E85. Ive used them before without an easytune box and currerntly run 1650cc bluemaxs with an easytune box. The 1450s do not need an easytune box to keep the car from bucking,stalling and having off idle problematic issues the bigger injectors have a tendency to have. Ive attached a datalog from dsmlink when I ran these injectors, the log shows LTFT lo going back "inline" after adjusting it using the correct airflow sliders. The 1450cc bluemax is probley the biggest low impedence injector id run on a DSM that DOSENT want too have to upgrade to an easytune box and deal with some driving issues. They are a great injector, I ran them upto 649whp at 106% duty cycle at a 38psi base pressure, on E85 if you have enough fuel pump these injectors will do 700whp on E85 no questions asked, and 830+whp on gasoline. Even with a single walbro 255, and these 1450cc injectors, these injectors will be able to make 501awhp on E85 as long as you have an aftermarket AFPR, again even more on gasoline, I know this by tuning a friends car with this same exact setup.

To the O.P, get these injectors and run the deadtime and global settings I attached into the log. This is a REALLY good starting point for you to get the car dialed in. Of course every car is different, and there are alot of variables to getting this "perfect" as I like them to be, such as fuel pressure, boost leaks etc. But I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend these injectors to be ran, even w/o the easytune box.

 

[1Bad4G63T]

I'll be eager to see what you get out of this thing...I've got a pretty similar setup in the garage being put together right now...I went smaller on my injectors but I also have it wired for methanol injection and I dont plan on running e85 right away, as there is no word of this fuel becoming available in my area for quite some time...I can squeeze 1300cc out of the fic's I've got...hoping the methanol will take over from there...let me know how yours goes so I can get an idea of what I need to change.

By the way...we're running similar turbos...I ended up stepping down to a PTE 6265 from my originally planned 6765.

 

[94_TSi]

I'll be eager to see what you get out of this thing...I've got a pretty similar setup in the garage being put together right now...I went smaller on my injectors but I also have it wired for methanol injection and I dont plan on running e85 right away, as there is no word of this fuel becoming available in my area for quite some time...I can squeeze 1300cc out of the fic's I've got...hoping the methanol will take over from there...let me know how yours goes so I can get an idea of what I need to change.

By the way...we're running similar turbos...I ended up stepping down to a PTE 6265 from my originally planned 6765.

I will be sure and keep up on this so everyone can see the final outcome. I know a few people running the 6765, very lazy turbo but a monster when it comes into it.

 

[doayamaha]

1250 bluemaxs on e85 27psi on big 16g front mount full 3in exhuast 80% idc with stock motor but however maybee able to salvage using those injectors very iterested to see the out come