What do you think of my dyno day!

[blcknspo0ln]

Why? They used A/F ratio to spool it quicker, instead of timing..

I've never seen it done that way, perhaps you're right.

 

[boostyGST]

ok guys, well we have determined that my stuff is messed up, i want to know what I should do, I think this is crap all the way around considering I drove to 2 1/2 hours to SBR and payed 135 bucks of my money for this apparent messed up tune with there in house turbo!!!,

I want to know what I should do, I know members of the SBR team are on this site, and i feel that there mess up is not my prob to fix, I beleive they should retune my car again, to get it right @ no cost to me.

Considering that this post has received such "fan fair", with there turbo in question among us tuners, I think soneone should bring it to there attention.

Again thk you for all your support!

 

[blcknspo0ln]

e-mail this link to cragger, mike huml, or matt.. they're all good guys


what have you determined was messed up? the tune? or something else?

have you done your diagnostics? compression? maintenance?

 

[JiggahMan]

ok guys, well we have determined that my stuff is messed up, i want to know what I should do, I think this is crap all the way around considering I drove to 2 1/2 hours to SBR and payed 135 bucks of my money for this apparent messed up tune with there in house turbo!!!,

I want to know what I should do, I know members of the SBR team are on this site, and i feel that there mess up is not my prob to fix, I beleive they should retune my car again, to get it right @ no cost to me.

Considering that this post has received such "fan fair", with there turbo in question among us tuners, I think soneone should bring it to there attention.

Again thk you for all your support!

In all fairness, if you're saying the tune is bad... I really don't think so, they used methods to spool your turbo, then give loads of timing on the top end(torque.) However, this is just my guess, I have not seen your datalogs, the ones of which you are either reluctant to post, or plain can't figure it out. Many people have asked, but I still see nothing. Some useful information to determine what the tune may be would be EGTs. Do you have an EGT gauge? What are they at the end of a 3rd or 4th gear pull?

 

[boostyGST]

well i will say this as my "defense", the hole point of me going and paying to have my car tuned correctly on a dyno is to prevent me from going out on the street and breaking the law or endangering myself or others, I have went to jail for street racing and other driving acts that I am not proud of, and I CANNOT be charged with speeding again or my license will be gone.

I have done all my diagnostics, compression, plug gapping, boost leak testing, etc and have found no probs mechanically, considering that SBR looked over everything before the tune began, which I also payed extra for them to do. This only leaves the tune to be incorrect. I also posted my AFR sheet on here that they used to tune. They did not use my datalogger, to help them @ all, therefore I would like to know how they knew the timing curve, etc that may have helped them see knock or otherwise during the tune.

i am not bashing anyone on this post, I am simply expressing concern for everyone here on tuners that has the SBR-G50 and similar modifications to mine that would like to see what it can run and how well SBR can use that $169,000 dyno.

Thks again

 

[JiggahMan]

the hole point of me going and paying to have my car tuned correctly on a dyno is to prevent me from going out on the street and breaking the law or endangering myself or others, I have went to jail for street racing and other driving acts that I am not proud of, and I CANNOT be charged with speeding again or my license will be gone.

Really?

Also decided to do a top end pull today in 5th, and it was pulling hard running dreat until 5000rpm then it just fell stopped accelerating, like a rex limiter or fuel cut was happening.

...

Anyways, are you sure you let them know you had a logger? Are you knocking or not?

 

[4g64GST]

did you ask for a mild, street, daily driven tune or did you ask for a max performance tune. IMO there are 2 ways to tune. If you want an all out max power tune it will cost more than $100. just my $ .02.

 

[NeEmO6]

I believe the G50 is the same thing as the PTE 50 trim as someone stated earlier. Since those turbos have been out, people having luck with them are few and far between. I personally went through 3 of them before they finally put in the 360* thrust bearing in there. I was never impressed w/ the turbo. They have been out for quite some time now, and yet not very many impressive numbers. Good friend of mine made 315hp 310lbs/ft tq on a b16g few years ago on 93oct.

 

[boostyGST]

okok, I am not saying I am Mr. goodytooshoes, however bottom line is, all facts lead to the point that my car is not tuned proper.

I asked for a aggressive street tune.

umm it is 135 for 1 hour w/ wideband and they were only tuning my car for like 40min, so i dont know where the 100 dollar thing comes in.

i am just going to send this link to cragger and see what they say about this hole thing, before it gets blown may out of proportion

 

[bullettdsm]

ok guys, well we have determined that my stuff is messed up, i want to know what I should do, I think this is crap all the way around considering I drove to 2 1/2 hours to SBR and payed 135 bucks of my money for this apparent messed up tune with there in house turbo!!!,

I want to know what I should do, I know members of the SBR team are on this site, and i feel that there mess up is not my prob to fix, I beleive they should retune my car again, to get it right @ no cost to me.

Considering that this post has received such "fan fair", with there turbo in question among us tuners, I think soneone should bring it to there attention.

Again thk you for all your support!

Well, I have been following this thread along and it certainly has been curious. Let me just state this from the get-go; I AM BY NO MEANS A TUNER. I have no alliances with Slowboy other than I have used their product (currently have a EIII16g and other "knick-knacks). I am old style engine guy. Computer tuning is relatively new and interesting to me. I can tune with a S-afc and I have working knowledge of DSMlink. I am fully aware that you are not trying to rag on Slowboy. You have a problem and you just want it to be fixed.

THAT being said, one of the first things that I learned in my tuning apprenticeship is to look at is the logs. I understand that Slowboy didn't use your logger but why not run a log so that tuners on this site can get an idea of where you stand? I believe there are some pretty good tuners on this site and they may be able to see if something is "goofy" (yeah, technical term ). I literally learned how to tune by searching this site for logs and then reading the responses. I know you paid good money for them to do it but why not post a log anyway?
MB

 

[boostyGST]

Well, I have been following this thread along and it certainly has been curious. Let me just state this from the get-go; I AM BY NO MEANS A TUNER. I have no alliances with Slowboy other than I have used their product (currently have a EIII16g and other "knick-knacks). I am old style engine guy. Computer tuning is relatively new and interesting to me. I can tune with a S-afc and I have working knowledge of DSMlink. I am fully aware that you are not trying to rag on Slowboy. You have a problem and you just want it to be fixed.

THAT being said, one of the first things that I learned in my tuning apprenticeship is to look at is the logs. I understand that Slowboy didn't use your logger but why not run a log so that tuners on this site can get an idea of where you stand? I believe there are some pretty good tuners on this site and they may be able to see if something is "goofy" (yeah, technical term ). I literally learned how to tune by searching this site for logs and then reading the responses. I know you paid good money for them to do it but why not post a log anyway?
MB

well sir i do respect your opinion 100%, and yes I have come to the conclusion that tom I am going to go out and log 3 or so logs and post the #'s up, I am also going to contact SBR and see what they have to say about my thread, I thk you for everyones help and hopefully working together, we can make some more, safe working power.

thks again

 

[blcknspo0ln]

looking forward to results

 

[97Boost4u]

SBR-G50, Manley valvetrain, 1mm over valves, 680cc inj, FPR, 3in Exhaust, External dump, stock bottom end, stock intake mani(ported), stock exhaust mani(ported), 1G TB, Greddy 24R, SAFCII, HKS 264/272 cams

I just feel kind of dissappointed, only 307HP @20psi, this was on pump gas however, what do you guys think of it.

Go ahead and destroy me if you want, all the work and only 307hp.

What do you guys think i should do to increase my power

dont wanna make u hate yourself, but i put down around 340whp with b16g ported and clipped, 3inch o2 housing back exhaust, 1mm oversized valves, stock sidemount on 19psi and 110oct with my car

 

[4g64GST]

sorry 100 and 135 are night and day difference, stupid me I should have looked at your receipt.

 

[boostyGST]

rpms 02v time

2932 .98 24

3180 .96 24

3444 .96 21

3756 .98 18

4080 1.00 14

4452 1.00 13

4888 .96 14

5324 .94 11

5772 .94 7

6160 .94 11

6540 .94 12

6868 .94 13

7148 .94 13

7396 .94 14

 

[blcknspo0ln]

what are your AFC settings?

I'm still on narrow band and my car seems to like .92v the best. you should be at 18-21 degrees of timing, not 14.

plus you have major knock at 5772 RPMs. write down your safc settings and turn everything down -2% and log it again

 

[blcknspo0ln]

rather.. i'd do this.. but remember to write your settings down so if it doesnt help, you can always go back to the way it was.

3k - 4k, -2%
4-4.6k, -3%
4.6k-5.6k, -2%
6k+, -2%

 

[1fastlaser]

What are your setting nows on the afc...........if there low bump them up if you get less timing more knock then your too rich,if the timing goes up then your going the right way.Never lean out the car before your sure your getting too much fuel,because Id rather flood the car with fuel then blow a head gasket/motor.But it definatly looks rich,better safe then sorry.

 

[boostyGST]

current, unchanged SAFC II adjustments from SBR with 255hp pump, FPR set @ 41psi @ idle, 680cc inj

1000 -20

2000 -20

3000 -24

3600 -20

4000 -30

4600 -43

5000 -50

6000 -50

6200 -50

6400 -50

7000 -50

7200 -50

 

[blcknspo0ln]

with settings like that, i would take 1fastlaser's advice. I didn't know the compensation was THAT severe. my settings are right around -34ish.

add some fuel .. log

if you're still getting a crappy log, go by -2% increments from there.. goodluck

 

[bullettdsm]

current, unchanged SAFC II adjustments from SBR with 255hp pump, FPR set @ 41psi @ idle, 680cc inj

1000 -20

2000 -20

3000 -24

3600 -20

4000 -30

4600 -43

5000 -50

6000 -50

6200 -50

6400 -50

7000 -50

7200 -50

Um...wow.
From your log and your settings I would deduce that you are awfully lean. With 680s I would have thought that you would be at least in the -30 range also. You sure do show knock and low timing that matches up to your -50 settings. I would hope that some guys from advanced tuning and engine management are checking this thread. This was SBR settings, huh? Maybe I am missing something.
MB
Oh yeah, the logs and safc settings help considerably.

 

[JiggahMan]

Um...wow.
From your log and your settings I would deduce that you are awfully lean. With 680s I would have thought that you would be at least in the -30 range also. You sure do show knock and low timing that matches up to your -50 settings. I would hope that some guys from advanced tuning and engine management are checking this thread. This was SBR settings, huh? Maybe I am missing something.
MB
Oh yeah, the logs and safc settings help considerably.

Aside from the 5700rpm incident, how do you figure? Timing is still progressing to almost the top of what a 2g ecu aims for. I'm sure SBR used a wbo2 to tune it, and never let the afr get above 12:1.

 

[boostyGST]

well, what do you guys think i should change my adjestments too, please, to make it easy for my simple mind, please just go through my RPM band and tell me what adjustements I should go with on the SAFC2

thks

 

[JiggahMan]

I'd say start with +1 @4600 and +5 @ 5000 and 6000. Then, post another log.

 

[boostyGST]

besides Jman suggestions, are they any others I can try before i leave to go out for the day and Log/tune.

Jman you are saying to correct as follows right?

4600 -42

5000 -45

6000 -45

and leave the rest -50 correct?