What do you need with a turbo engine?

[JD94Eclipse]

I have a few noobish questions for anyone willing to answer them. First of all I just bought a 94 Eclipse with a blown engine. My first question is this, how much more expensive is the turbo engine to run than non turbo? I have enough for the engine but do you have to buy like an intercooler kit, exhaust, headers and all that?

My second question is, Does this selling company look legit? this is where i will be buying my engine from if we cant find one in a local junk yard or other place like that.

thanks in advance.

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

Need a link to view "this" selling company.

 

[JD94Eclipse]

sorry heres the link i forgot to put in there. eBay Motors: Eclipse Talon Turbo Gallant 94 - 99 Engine 4G63 T 4G63T (item 260201418458 end time Jan-18-08 17:53:50 PST)

also that engine is a turbo but it doesnt come with a turbo i dont think. Now i know this is stupid but do you have to have a turbo with a turbo engine? or can you buy a non turbo engine and bolt a turbo on later.

 

[xdxoxuxgx]

the pictures show a turbo on it so unless it states somewhere that the turbo is not included then it would come with the turbo.

 

[JD94Eclipse]

oops. didnt notice that before. but if i got that engine would i need to get a bigger intercooler kit, exhaust, headers, etc. ?

 

[tqmx1]

Also if you were thinking about picking up the engine - Do not, It's a 95 and up unit (it will not bolt in) The add is mistated.

Good luck on your search they are around.

 

[xdxoxuxgx]

if you are putting the stock engine in a turbo body then you will not need a bigger intercooler, exhaust, etc. and the stock exhaust mani will work fine for your application. everything will bolt right up if you have a turbo body and are just replacing the engine.

 

[xdxoxuxgx]

if youre putting the turbo engine in a non turbo body you will need a new exhaust, intercooler set-up im sure there are a lot of threads out there about putting a turbo engine in a non turbo car. check one of those out.

 

[92AWDHX40]

You need bigger injectors
stock smic
turbo ecm
downpipe
intercooler piping
j pipe
blow off valve
waste gate
boost controller
boost gauge after market
these are just some of the items you will need

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

That engine IS a '95... but, please explain why that engine won't "bolt up?" Is it because it's a 7-bolt? If so, that makes about as much sense as saying a 6-bolt won't bolt into a 2g. On top of all that, late model 94's came with 7-bolt motors. The only thing that I could think of, would be that you'd need to get a different wiring harness along with a turbo ECU.

To the OP... if you do decide to replace your blown motor with a 4G63T engine, then you will definitely need to get all the intercooler piping along with it... or, you can go aftermarket, but your non-turbo intake piping will not work. Also, since the turbo is included with this motor, you'll also recieve the correct exhaust manifold.

With all that being said, I still would not opt to buy this engine because 1) If you're going to replace the engine, you might as well go 6-bolt, and 2) The price looks to be a little steep IMO.

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

You need bigger injectors
stock smic
turbo ecm
downpipe
intercooler piping
j pipe
blow off valve
waste gate
boost controller
boost gauge after market
these are just some of the items you will need

1/2 the stuff on this list either already comes on that engine or isn't technically needed. IE: You don't have to have a J-pipe (especially on a T25), you already have the wastegate, and you won't NEED bigger injectors since the linked engine already has 450cc injectors, which are more then enough for the T25 turbo that's on there. (Sure, when you decide to go with a larger turbo, then you'll need bigger injectors, but until then...). You don't even HAVE to have a boost controller or a gauge (highly recommended though).

 

[tqmx1]

That engine IS a '95... but, please explain why that engine won't "bolt up?" Is it because it's a 7-bolt? If so, that makes about as much sense as saying a 6-bolt won't bolt into a 2g. On top of all that, late model 94's came with 7-bolt motors. The only thing that I could think of, would be that you'd need to get a different wiring harness along with a turbo ECU.

The 95 and up had there engine mounts on the transmission where up to then the mounts were on the block. You can go 1g engine into 2g car but not vise versa. So yes a 7 bolt 1g could be used from 90> with minor mods.

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

Ahh.. that makes sense. I was unaware of the difference in tranny mounts.

Does that mean that if you had the 2g tranny to go with it, that you could then swap a 95+ 7 bolt into a 90-94 chassis? Forgive me as I don't know a whole ton about 1g frames or swaps.

 

[tqmx1]

Ahh.. that makes sense. I was unaware of the difference in tranny mounts.

Does that mean that if you had the 2g tranny to go with it, that you could then swap a 95+ 7 bolt into a 90-94 chassis? Forgive me as I don't know a whole ton about 1g frames or swaps.

No then nothing would line up. When they moved the mounts to the trans. it effectly moved the mounts back about 2" You can use a 2g trans in a 1g car but you have to use the 1g engine.

 

[Matt4g63]

Heres a few links that might help you with questions you might ask in the future

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/1g-n-t-tech/55459-4g63-nt-engine-how-make-turbo-kit.html..Thats if you wanted to do a rebuild on a non turbo and make it turbo.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/203847-n-t-engine-work-turbo.html

hopefully that helps.

 

[talon187]

if i were you i would buy a 6bolt and go that route

 

[JD94Eclipse]

(First of all thank you all for your patience, i ask a lot of ?'s but thats just because i still dont fully understand this)

ok so now im even more confused. is my car a turbo or non turbo body? because on the parts list i see no 1g non turbo parts heading?

ok i will try to make my question simpler so i can understand it. basically all i want to do is get an engine that i can drop in my car and go right when i get it. if my car is a turbo body then i should be able to just get a turbo engine and drop that in. if it is not a turbo body car then i will have to get a bunch of other stuff also.

So here is my final question. if its a turbo body- can i just get a turbo engine, swap it and go?
if its a non turbo body- what non turbo engine can i get to just drop in when i get it and go but later make it a turbo engine like the link above says?

 

[93clips]

Okay first off, I was in your EXACT same position. I have a 93 eclipse gs that had a blown non-turbo motor. (4g63). We found a 91 laser rs turbo at the junkyard with suspension problems and he let us grab the engine. so i got lucky with that. but mainly when you search for an engine, search for a 90-94 eclipse / talon / or laser front wheel drive turbo engine (all are the same 4g63t). is your eclipse a gs or rs model?

 

[bane3d]

I did a quick scan of the thread and never once saw what kind of car you purchased. You just said 94 eclipse. I know on the 2G, if you have the hood popped, you can look in the back left hand corner and it will have the sticker for the VIN. If you could read the numbers, that would help us determine what kind of car you currently have and then suggest what you could put in it (to bring it to stock for cheap). Here are some links that could answer your basic questions:

1000 AAQ - Make & model info

and then by the vin:

1000 AAQ - DSM factory specifications

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[snowborder714]

heres what im still confused about. is my car a turbo or non turbo body?

Go to this website (AutoCheck Vehicle History Reports for Used Cars. Get a Free Vin Check. - AutoCheck.com) and plug in your VIN number and click the Go button. This won't cost any money! At the top of the page, it should say "Vehicle:" and then what year, make, and model your vehicle is. Go do that and report back as to what it says.

and what youre saying i should do is to try and find a 6 bolt engine? does that mean there are 6 bolts connecting the engine to the trans?

This means that where the flywheel bolts up to the crank, it uses 6 bolts.

i think i only have about $2000 to spend on a motor and stuff like that so i might just go with a non turbo engine. that means if i ever wanted to make it turbo i would have to buy a whole new engine right?

can someone give me the specs of an engine i should go with ex. 4g63T 6 bolt or something like that. i cant remember what the non turbo engines are called.

We can help you out more after you tell us what the VIN check website says. Without knowing exactly what you have, we can't tell you what you can use. We need to know as much information as possible to make accurate and good suggestions.

 

[JD94Eclipse]

see thats the problem I dont have it yet. i found it in the auto & rv mag. I came on here to see if it is worth buying with a blown engine. It is a 1994 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 5 speed w/ power windows and locks, if that helps any.

 

[bane3d]

That helps a little. Ask for the VIN from them and that will answer all of your questions. I see from the link I sent you that there was a GS turbo version but that I don't trust that. I really think you are looking at a non-turbo car so it should be a bit cheaper for maintenance and for install. Definitely ask for the VIN first before doing anymore research since it's wasting your time without knowing that first.

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[93clips]

that helps greatly. if you can find a nice 6 bolt turbo engine (91 and 92 years) then you can do a complete swap with wiring harness and ecu and everything and it should drop right in. just do not use the non turbo transmission. you must use the turbo transmission because they are two different model numbers the turbo one is a f5m33 as opposed to the non turbo f5m22.

 

[JD94Eclipse]

that helps greatly. if you can find a nice 6 bolt turbo engine (91 and 92 years) then you can do a complete swap with wiring harness and ecu and everything and it should drop right in. just do not use the non turbo transmission. you must use the turbo transmission because they are two different model numbers the turbo one is a f5m33 as opposed to the non turbo f5m22.

thank you. so the 91-92 turbo engine will fit my 94 as long as i use the turbo transmission. now all i have to do is call for the vin to figure out if im gonna need to upgrade the intercooler, exhaust etc.

 

[V8notENUF]

Just a heads up that isn't a t25, and he would need a jpipe, as it is an upwards outlet turbo.