Turbo + Manifold opinions please -

[holo82]

I'm doing some work on the car this coming weekend/week due to a hg failure and some play in the stock turbo seal. I was looking around and there are so many vendors that I'm becoming frustrated with searching and finding Chinese junk.

Basically I'm looking for a reputable vendor that I can purchase

Head Gasket
Studs
New manifold
Turbo (Prefer nothing bigger than B16g)
-accessories for install (banjo, j-pipe etc).

If I should put a budget on it, maybe $1000-1200 is likely what I don't want to surpass.

Thanks in advance, apologies if this is a rundown topic.

 

[95AWDTerror]

I'm doing some work on the car this coming weekend/week due to a hg failure and some play in the stock turbo seal. I was looking around and there are so many vendors that I'm becoming frustrated with searching and finding Chinese junk.

Basically I'm looking for a reputable vendor that I can purchase

Head Gasket
Studs
New manifold
Turbo (Prefer nothing bigger than B16g)
-accessories for install (banjo, j-pipe etc).

If I should put a budget on it, maybe $1000-1200 is likely what I don't want to surpass.

Thanks in advance, apologies if this is a rundown topic.

Studs, go with ARP. As for all the chineese junk, I can't agree more. Some of it isn't bad, while the rest is sub-par. With a $1000-$1200 budget you will surely be looking at chiness junk. A quality manifold and name brand turbo will set you back that plus more.

 

[Silver99OZ]

There are plenty of supporting vendors that have everything you need. If I were in your position I would go with a factory Mitsubishi composite head gasket and arp studs. Be sure to send you head to the machine shop and have them check it out and resurface it. As far as manifolds go you will be more than fine with the stock 2g manifold. I see no need to get a new manifold unless yours is cracked, in that case I would look into the fp manifold. Now on to the turbo, I would go with a 14b and get the necessary parts needed to intall it. If you go with something bigger like the 16g you will need more supporting mods and something to tune with which will most likely be out of your budget.

 

[Frickadella]

I might suggest T28 upgrade - stock fitting. Road Race Engineering has them for about $1000. A 16g kit is over $300 by itself.

Definitely ARP studs - got mine from Jegs.

...and that's your budget. Maybe find some money for a $140 metal head gasket?

 

[-red97rum-]

Parts Dinosaur has a damn decent head gasket kit for $64.00:
4G63T Mitsubishi 2.0 DOHC Head Gasket Set 95 - 99

Extremepsi has 7 bolt head studs for $99:
EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

As far as the turbo goes, there's plenty of ways to run a 16g on a 2G without spending hundreds of dollars for a "2g install kit"

Are you specifically looking for a tubular type manifold? If you want an oem manifold we can make a deal, I'll PM you with what I have.

 

[holo82]

There are plenty of supporting vendors that have everything you need. If I were in your position I would go with a factory Mitsubishi composite head gasket and arp studs. Be sure to send you head to the machine shop and have them check it out and resurface it. As far as manifolds go you will be more than fine with the stock 2g manifold. I see no need to get a new manifold unless yours is cracked, in that case I would look into the fp manifold. Now on to the turbo, I would go with a 14b and get the necessary parts needed to intall it. If you go with something bigger like the 16g you will need more supporting mods and something to tune with which will most likely be out of your budget.

My manifold does have a hairline crack, has been that way since I bought the car. I had planned on upgrading many of the parts anyway. I know that the CXRacing site has junk, but their tubular manifold seems attractive for $169...

As for the 14b, my brother and I installed a 16g on stock injectors and fuel pump in 07, it seemed fine with no fuel cut on low boost. I didn't plan on boosting much, as it's my daily driver. I'm trying to save some of this cash and possibly buy another DSM, or possibly switch my dd. I could be wrong, but I'm always open for corrections if I am.

I might suggest T28 upgrade - stock fitting. Road Race Engineering has them for about $1000. A 16g kit is over $300 by itself.

Definitely ARP studs - got mine from Jegs.

...and that's your budget. Maybe find some money for a $140 metal head gasket?

I'll look into it. I appreciate it. Yeah ARP was my plan, I wasn't sure if I could buy all my parts at one vendor site, or if I have to do the usual part-here-part-there shopping. I always feel more comfortable that way.

Parts Dinosaur has a damn decent head gasket kit for $64.00:
4G63T Mitsubishi 2.0 DOHC Head Gasket Set 95 - 99

Extremepsi has 7 bolt head studs for $99:
EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

As far as the turbo goes, there's plenty of ways to run a 16g on a 2G without spending hundreds of dollars for a "2g install kit"

Are you specifically looking for a tubular type manifold? If you want an oem manifold we can make a deal, I'll PM you with what I have.

I'm not looking for a tubular in particular, but if I were to run across one at a discount, or decent price compared to a stock, it wouldn't hurt my feelings. I may have access to a manifold (stock). I have almost zero access to salvage yard DSMs, they've almost all been picked through, but I found a Talon manifold a few minutes ago. I'll be willing to hear you out.

 

[96DSM_Steve]

I would go with Forced Performance manifold and 16g turbo. You can get a Install kit for a good price by looking at each vendor to see what you like. This is my setup.




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[CreativeBoost]

I have always been a fan of the ERL manifold, but would definitely take a chunk out of your budget. Of course you would not need another manifold for quite sometime and it has provision for external gate. Once you out grow the 16G you can always install a Holset with a BEP housing and not have any clearance issues.

I would definitely get ARP studs along with the stock MLS head gasket. This has served me well over the years.

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[holo82]

I would go with Forced Performance manifold and 16g turbo. You can get a Install kit for a good price by looking at each vendor to see what you like. This is my setup.




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I was checking out that Road Race Engineering Garrett Big-T28. For $960 direct bolt on (no kit required) it may be a good bet. Let me price a 16g and kit....

Forced Performance has the Evo III 16G turbo for $549 unclipped +75 clipped.

I'm still unhappy with paying $325 for an install kit, which is basically a bunch of random lines, fittings, a j-pipe and some couplings. Still hunting.

 

[96DSM_Steve]

Yeah I hear you. I don't like the prices on some of the kits, even for the j pipes alone are to much. I found a j pipe and modified oil return line for a good price from a member here. All I needed was a oil feed line, lower L pipe, couplers, and clamps from RRE for my side mount. Right now I am looking to see if I can use my T25 water lines on my 14b without modifying them.


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[holo82]

Yeah I hear you. I don't like the prices on some of the kits, even for the j pipes alone are to much. I found a j pipe and modified oil return line for a good price from a member here. All I needed was a oil feed line, lower L pipe, couplers, and clamps from RRE for my side mount. Right now I am looking to see if I can use my T25 water lines on my 14b without modifying them.


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Forced Performance has the kit for $175. I if I can buy a kit from CXRacing (the chinese crap) and the 16G from FP.
Now if I could find an OEM MLS head gasket, ARP studs, and a manifold gasket, I'll be set.

 

[jay1892]

Extreme PSI or RockAuto or Punishment.
Take your pick there all comparable pricing.

 

[Silver99OZ]

Now if I could find an OEM MLS head gasket, ARP studs, and a manifold gasket, I'll be set.

Go with an OEM composite gasket rather than the MLS. The MLS requires that both the head and block surfaces be machined completly smooth or the gasket will not seal. When using the MLS the surface needs to be smooth enough so that you can drag a finger nail across the surface without it catching at all.

 

[holo82]

Go with an OEM composite gasket rather than the MLS. The MLS requires that both the head and block surfaces be machined completly smooth or the gasket will not seal. When using the MLS the surface needs to be smooth enough so that you can drag a finger nail across the surface without it catching at all.

I was just on the phone asking around about a machine shop. I would *want* to resurface the head and possibly have my valve seats worked a little if I'm taking the head off. I think the only guy that does it in my area just quit and now it's a ship-n-wait type deal. Dammit.

If I'm having my block machined, then I'm doing a bottom-end rebuild. I'll just hold off for now. Maybe someone will be selling a 6 bolt that I can put on an engine stand and start building "one piece at a time".

 

[josh1095]

I would go with Forced Performance manifold and 16g turbo. You can get a Install kit for a good price by looking at each vendor to see what you like. This is my setup.




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does that setup work with the stock fans? or do you need spals? im looking at the combo package fp is selling right now. an evo16g, manifold, and fp255 pump for 800. its a pretty good deal, i think.

 

[holo82]

does that setup work with the stock fans? or do you need spals? im looking at the combo package fp is selling right now. an evo16g, manifold, and fp255 pump for 800. its a pretty good deal, i think.

Where is that combo?! I could only find the $1999 combo.

I'm still torn though. I could buy that T-28 that would bolt right up without a need for an install kit.

16G + kit = $739

T-28 = $832.50

I might be interested in an $800 16g kit with a manifold.

Wow! I refreshed the page, and there it is. That mani was 549 alone!

 

[jrohner]

For a headgasket on a 16G setup, just get the $30-35 felpro from a parts store such as oreillys or napa.

For anything under 400hp, I don't see any reason to look at any turbo other than an Evo3 16G, and either a stock manifold, Evo3, or FP.

Skip the overpriced "install kit" and round up the needed parts on your own.

 

[holo82]

For a headgasket on a 16G setup, just get the $30-35 felpro from a parts store such as oreillys or napa.

For anything under 400hp, I don't see any reason to look at any turbo other than an Evo3 16G, and either a stock manifold, Evo3, or FP.

Skip the overpriced "install kit" and round up the needed parts on your own.

I'll call around in the morning, I live in BFE and I have Napa, AutoCrapZone, or OReilly. I'm not sure where I can "round up" a j-pipe, oil drain gaskets, and such.

What's wrong with a T-28? It's a stock turbo housing, probably a little more tame than the e16g... No supporting mods under 14psi

 

[Deuce_three]

Fp is having a sale on 16g+fp manifold package.

http://store.forcedperformance.net/...uct_Code=1470RaceSale&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo

I was running a 14b setup when my car ran. That thing pulled hard at 18psi with a basic tune. I say you should start out with a 14b + 2g manifold setup.

 

[jrohner]

What's wrong with a T-28?

Price for one.

 

[jdxnc]

You can piece together your own 14b/16g install kit cheaply, find a used 1g feed line, maybe $20, stock t25 drain tube works if you slot the holes and bend it a bit and you can find a used j-pipe for $25-30 if you have a front mount, if not the 1g output pipe works perfect if you flip over your stock rubber licp, stock T-25 coolant lines work a 14b/16g. So there you have a $50 install kit on a $550 brand new 16g. And find a stock 2g manifold and port it out and you'll have a great setup.

 

[charleso89]

I am about to start my adventure in throwing a 16 on my engine with no turbo parts. Still doing alot of shopping around and trying to find good deals my self. Wish you luck with your build