turbo for reliable car

[dan2288]

Im stuck between the evo3 16g and a 5o trim. I plan on getting 650cc injectors and just a chip. Maybe put some 272 cams in there. I allready have head studs and mls headgasket. I dont plan on doing anything to the bottom end. Ill run 20-22 psi on the street. Which turbo will I be better off with? I want the car to be pretty reliable and not breakdown every weekend. I had a 2.3, 280s and a 3065 before and it was too much for a DD. Give me your opinions

 

[booostedGSX]

+1 on the Holset HX35. I'm going that route fairly soon.

 

[JusMX141]

I honestly love the 20G turbos, but hate their price as well. The pricing is definitely what prevents more guys from buying 20G's because you can get a much more potent turbo for the same price....or less.

I truly don't know what makes the 20G more expensive- it uses the same turbine housing as the Big 16G, the same center housing as the Big 16G / Evo III / 18G, and when you're buying parts the 20G compressor wheel is actually cheaper than a MHI Evo III wheel. So you mean to tell me the compressor cover is worth an additional $350 when new?

 

[dsm-onster]

Evo 3 16G flows 550CFM good for up to 380hp

The 20g flows 650CFM good for up to 430hp

Thats what I found searching places you can buy these turbos. For the prices that I found I say 16g. Little quicker spool, but less HP, but half the cost from what I have found the 20g. For the money I think the 16g is awesome.

Yea but there are two sides to a turbo. The 20g compressor may flow 650cfm (more like 685 according to the compressor map), but the td05h turbine wheel and 7cm^2 turbine housing does not flow enough to exploit it. One would be better off with a smaller faster spooling compressor wheel for more power under the curve.

 

[dsm-onster]

494 whp at 26 psi on a 2.0L with typical boltons and a VERY, VERY streetable powerband.

 

[eclipse_16g]

y not look into the 18g?

 

[dsmfa9nutter]

Real (not chinabay) Evo 3. OEM quality meant to last 100k+ miles.

 

[dsm-onster]

My holset spools faster

 

[eclipsemike1989]

I am planning to rebuild my motor next year and im not sure as to which turbo i should go with. My goal is to make high 400's to low 500's. I am undecided as wether to get a 50 trim or 60-1 ? I was also thinking about an fp green. Any opinions ?

i would deff go 60-1 buddy has one hes running 403 at the wheels, with a lot of other mods though, u really wanna run 400-500, and is it gona be a dd all depends on what u want to do

 

[eclipsemike1989]

its up to u my buddy used to run a 50 and he had to replace it like 3 times i know of, but go with want, i would swing twards the 16 just depends on what u want

 

[JusMX141]

If you're looking for a reliable choice, I would steer clear of anything Garrett-based. This would include both the 50-trim and 60-1.

 

[dan2288]

It looks like the evo3 16g is the best choice for me. It sounds like It should be pretty quick on 20 psi. And my car should stay reliable with that.

 

[se0nz]

holsets are the thing these days, they take a beating, laugh at 20psi, spool quick and seem to be pretty reliable!

 

[toofast82]

Holsets do seem to be the thing these days. But there is a lot more modification to get installed compared to 16g. If you plan on not running more than 22psi, i would stick with a 16g, or 20g. Yes i know the bep housing bolts right up for holset, but you need oil lines, an intake pipe, intercooler piping, and most likely another fan. The 16g actually bolts in!

 

[JusMX141]

Yes i know the bep housing bolts right up for holset, but you need oil lines, an intake pipe, intercooler piping, and most likely another fan. The 16g actually bolts in!

Yeah, but the Holset just looks so damn mean bolted to the exhaust manifold of a DSM.

Which one would you rather see when you lift your hood?

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[toofast82]

Yeah its huge! which one would you rather run 12.0 at 22psi on? When you got your hood popped in the staging lanes with your little turbo and heatshields, everyone will be like wtf? Also great for spots in a cash race!

 

[toofast82]

To me, the 16g-20g have proven themselves for years to run well into the 11s and even 10s(in very rare instances) It's not easy, it will take great tuning and a good driver. But it wont be easy with any turbo if its not set up right. Unless you plan on going faster than 11.7 than you dont need these huge turbos. (Yes im aware the holsets spool pretty quick in bolt up housing). I think turbos can be like girls, where you're always looking for different and better when maybe what you just had was just as good, but maybe just a little smaller tits.

 

[dsm-onster]

"girls". . . WTF does that mean. Do you know what one is? or do you just pick one up from a litter and check. . . Girls and turbos don't compare. The best is what you chose wisely. Who does that?. . . Well, you didn't


Back to turbos. The hx35 would do what is required. Second point: A girl and a woman are different. just like a turbo. If you want tits, then show someone your invoice. YOU and your turbo can't do what a better turbo can deliver. Stop degrading women and get back on topic.

 

[toofast82]

ok well back on turbos. what turbo will be more cost efficient, more bolt on friendly and probably make more streetable torque for his goals of 20-22psi?

 

[toofast82]

yeah a "girl" and woman are different, tried to use a metaphor for the size of the turbo. i didnt mean to offend people. Maybe i should have said "huge compressor cover" instead of "tits."

 

[Afroclipse]

"girls". . . WTF does that mean. Do you know what one is? or do you just pick one up from a litter and check. . . Girls and turbos don't compare. The best is what you chose wisely. Who does that?. . . Well, you didn't


Back to turbos. The hx35 would do what is required. Second point: A girl and a woman are different. just like a turbo. If you want tits, then show someone your invoice. YOU and your turbo can't do what a better turbo can deliver. Stop degrading women and get back on topic.

You know what he meant, he was no where near degrading women all he said was you can get the smaller turbo to perform real well but she just comes in a smaller package. In otherwords "just because she has small tits doesn't mean you can't have fun with them". Translated just because the 16g is small doesn't mean you won't have a lot of fun with it.

I want to hear more about this HX35 and BEP housing, how much better is it compared to the usual 50 trims.

 

[jrohner]

i would deff go 60-1 buddy has one hes running 403 at the wheels, with a lot of other mods though, u really wanna run 400-500, and is it gona be a dd all depends on what u want to do

That's sad. 403 on a turbo that size. I wanna race that guy right now with my little 16g powered car.


Go with a E3 16g; good power, great torque, and full boost before 3000 RPMs. I have over 400awhp with mine and drive my car EVERY day, even in the snow and icy roads. If you want more power yet, get a Holset HX35 and the DSM bolton BEP housing.

 

[toofast82]

Thank you Afroclipse! I wasnt trying to degrade women at all! I just find it funny that he didnt criticize what i actually said about the turbos themselves.
Back in late 2005, before it was cool and the thing to do, I had a hx-35 strapped to my car. Back then I had a mustang 5.0, eclipse gst and an hx35. I was using the turbo for one of them and when i first saw the bep housing, i sold the mustang that week!

 

[toofast82]

I do think the holsets are great alternatives to larger turbos like 60-1, gt35r, etc. They are very low in price compared, last forever, have good spool and make good power. But for a goal of 300-350whp, i think its too much when you can use a mhi turbo and not change oil/water lines, stock fan, etc
plus it looks so stealth

 

[Colt4G63 also]

Yeah, but the Holset just looks so damn mean bolted to the exhaust manifold of a DSM.

Which one would you rather see when you lift your hood?

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Ha Ha Ha, I would like to be able to close my hood, not to mention run my full size radiator.

 

[dylnwit]

I do have to say, for practicality reasons, I'd go with a big/evo3 16g. The main difference is, that with the big/evo3 16g, your goals are near the upper threshold of the turbo. From everything that I've seen with the Holsets, your goals are between the lower and the mid range of it's abilities. So really it all depends on what the car's future holds. I personally have a small 16g, and love the spool, and the install was about the easiest mod I've done to my car, but I'd imagine it would be an uphill battle to get to 400 with it.