turbo flow? (down, up or side)

[cory51191]

i got the question from looking at this FMIC...

DEJON | Powerhouse (look to the right of the "add to cart" and you'll see what i'm talking about if u don't already know)


but anyways... i never heard of...side flow....down flow...or up flow......

what way does a holset hx35 flow?...
what kit would i be buying if i had a hx35? (for future reference)

 

[1gDSM4g63]

I think what Dejon Powerhouse means by up, down or side flowing is in reference to which direction the compressor outlet is facing on the turbo. A HX35 is adjustable but is always has to be angled down and if you want to stay with a Mitsubishi turbo housing then you need to get a Bullseye Power turbo housing.

 

[cabbageman97]

they have examples of different turbos next to it

 

[1gDSM4g63]

they have examples of different turbos next to it

Yeah, that true but most if not all big turbo such as the HX35 are always face down.

 

[cory51191]

Yeah, that true but most if not all big turbo such as the HX35 are always face down.

found a brand new (in box) holset hx40w.....$450..

man i wish i had my car and the mods for it. great deal.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

found a brand new (in box) holset hx40w.....$450..

man i wish i had my car and the mods for it. great deal.

I'm pretty sure that a rebuilt HX40, but nonetheless Holsets are the cheapest best perform turbo. And more likely you'll need have to get a Mitsubishi turbo housing.

 

[cory51191]

I'm pretty sure that a rebuilt HX40, but nonetheless Holsets are the cheapest best perform turbo. And more likely you'll need have to get a Mitsubishi turbo housing.

i was under the assumption that i stock hx35 would bolt right up.. looks like i need to read up more on turbos.

what mitsubishi housing would fit?

i know people were big on getting holset BEP housings before but i can't find them anywhere

 

[cabbageman97]

Yeah, that true but most if not all big turbo such as the HX35 are always face down.

true, didnt think about that

 

[dawid4444]

It is simple guys ;D

 

[LiquidX]

i was under the assumption that i stock hx35 would bolt right up.. looks like i need to read up more on turbos.

what mitsubishi housing would fit?

i know people were big on getting holset BEP housings before but i can't find them anywhere

Yes, read the Holset threads to get the information you want on the turbo. The housing they are referring to is the BEP housing. There is the mitsu housing and the T3 housing.

Contact SBR, I just purchached one a few days ago and talk to them about what your plans are wether to go with the T3 or mitsu.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

i was under the assumption that i stock hx35 would bolt right up.. looks like i need to read up more on turbos.

what mitsubishi housing would fit?

i know people were big on getting holset BEP housings before but i can't find them anywhere

Definitely not bolt-on turbos. Cummins Holset turbos are primarily made for large turbo diesel trucks. Any large and/or high flowing turbo usually aren't straight Mitsubishi bolt-on housing turbos. You getting into a higher caliber of modifications which takes more time and money to support the needs.

Try contacting Slowboy Racing, TimsTurbos or G-Pop Shop about the BEP Holset housing.

 

[cory51191]

Definitely not bolt-on turbos. Cummins Holset turbos are primarily made for large turbo diesel trucks. Any large and/or high flowing turbo usually aren't straight Mitsubishi bolt-on housing turbos. You getting into a higher caliber of modifications which takes more time and money to support the needs.

Try contacting Slowboy Racing, TimsTurbos or G-Pop Shop about the BEP Holset housing.

what housing is preferred? i'm looking to make a 450-500hp DD

It is simple guys ;D

thank you dawid4444. that was the easiest way to put it.. i figured thats what they meant by air flow direction but i didn't know what side of the turbo they were talking about...but clearly the "hot side" is always facing up



my guess is the top pic is what it looks like before the housing was changed. and the bottom pic is the way that the housing needs to face when u change it so it will fit in our engine bay correctly. wrong?
so i know this one faces down:

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but what is this one considered...looks more like a 90 degree turn instead of a 180 degree(down)..is this called back flow or something?:

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EDIT:....i see.... they are both downflow but the top one is a stock housing therefore it bolts up to the cummins truck facing in a dowwnflow position. and the bottom pic is after the housing was changed for the 4g63..and when it bolts up its also downflow.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Best to go with BEP Mitsubishi housing for either the HX35 or HX40 to make it easier and minimize the spool time.

As for your pictures, the first one is face downward and the second one needs to be adjusted to face downward too. You'll feed it all out with you have the turbo in your hands and see the fitment issues.

 

[cory51191]

Best to go with BEP Mitsubishi housing for either the HX35 or HX40 to make it easier and minimize the spool time.

As for your pictures, the first one is face downward and the second one needs to be adjusted to face downward too.

i'll probably end up going with the hybrid for better airflow.

but my edit on my last post is incorrect?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

i'll probably end up going with the hybrid for better airflow.

but my edit on my last post is incorrect?

It isn't the fact that it was specially design for Cummins trucks, most t3 or t4 turbos are down flowing turbos and whenever you fit a turbo that size in DSM no matter if it's a Mitsubishi housing or a t3 it must be face down for fitment issues.

As for you going to a hybrid for better airflow, you going to a smaller Mitsubishi housing on a Holset will limit the air flow not better it but it will do the 400-500 HP you're looking for.

 

[dsm-onster]

Any ol' hx35 will net your goal with the bep housing. Get the hybrid if you want to keep the stock hx35 housign and run a t3 manifold and are shooting for 600whp. BTW, the 7blade hx35 can flow enough for about 600whp too with the stock turbine housing and t3 manifold.

 

[cory51191]

Any ol' hx35 will net your goal with the bep housing. Get the hybrid if you want to keep the stock hx35 housign and run a t3 manifold and are shooting for 600whp. BTW, the 7blade hx35 can flow enough for about 600whp too with the stock turbine housing and t3 manifold.

i didn't know that you could use the full stock hx35. sounds like a plan to me, i planned on getting the 7 blade anyways

 

[dsm-onster]

You will need an ERL t3 manifold and a o2 housing solution.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

You will need an ERL t3 manifold and a o2 housing solution.

It'd just be better for cory51191 to get the 7-blade hx35 and switch to a BEP Mitsubishi for about $200 or so seeing all he wants is 400-500 HP on a stock block than to get an ERL manifold for $500 and $300 or so for the fabricated o2 housing for extra airflow that he doesn't need.

 

[dsm-onster]

Yes. I was just saying if he wanted to have the 7blade run at full potential then he can do that. But Like I said. Any ol' hx35 with the bep housing can net his goal.

For his case I don't even suggest he get the hybrid unless he's getting a smoking deal on it; as in around the same cost as he can get an hx35.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Cory51191 shouldn't really be focusing on jumping straight to a 400-500 HP when he's just starting off and hasn't done anything yet to backup the turbo up.

It's just better and safer to spend time on his car himself and do a little "experimenting" to backup the research than to leeches off other forum post which maybe inaccurate.

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[LiquidX]

You forgot the "cost" line. Experimenting + messing up will have a "cost" line going up with it. Cost's money to fix things.

Leeching information will have a "cost" rise as well, but no where as near as the experimenting "cost" line would be.

 

[dsm-onster]

Nothing said is inaccurate so far. I've looked over everything . . . I was simply telling him what will do what.

BTW he can run the hx35 or 35/40 with the larger hotside and use less boost. It's still fairly streetable.

But yes. He can just snag an hx35 cheap and run the bolton housing with the stock manifold and see his goal. Save the original hx35 housing for later if he wants more. That's why the 7blade hx35 is so desireable. You can have it bolton at first. Then later be capable of seeing 600ish hp out of it with an exhaust manifold purchage to use the original housing it came with. . . Or if he can get this 35/40 hybrid for about the same price as a 7blade hx35, that would be similar.

Right, LiQUiDx. It's not like there isn't someone on here that has run 132mph with the hx35/40 hybrid . But again, if he doesn't see himself pursuing such high power down the road, and the 35/40 costs more than what he can get a regular hx35 for, then it's a waste of money to get the hybrid, or even the typically more expensive 7blade hx35. After all, the 8blade hx35 flows as much as an fp3052.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

You forgot the "cost" line. Experimenting + messing up will have a "cost" line going up with it. Cost's money to fix things.

Leeching information will have a "cost" rise as well, but no where as near as the experimenting "cost" line would be.

I'm just saying it'd be better to do a little experimenting or build your way up than to have a 400-500 HP DSM right there with no knowledge of the car and/or tuning. I mean taking it that far with a stock block you have to know what you're doing first. If you don't you could screw up the car and pretty much meet the cost or more of as it would have been when you did the experimenting. That's the difference between building a car vs. buying a sport car already with that much power. It's not like he's simply putting an intake on. He's going for 3-4x the stock power.

 

[cory51191]

Cory51191 shouldn't really be focusing on jumping straight to a 400-500 HP when he's just starting off and hasn't done anything yet to backup the turbo up.

It's just better and safer to spend time on his car himself and do a little "experimenting" to backup the research than to leeches off other forum post which maybe inaccurate.

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i'm gonna have knowledge on cars. i'm gonna gain my knowledge through the army as a wheeled vehicle mechanic. just not specifically on the 4g63 because they don't put those in hummers and other military vehicles haha