turbo and nitrous

[fast gs]

you put a turbo on your car and you git 60hp for $1,899 you can go and buy a nitrous kit a for $499 and you will git 75hp so look at the price diffrince

 

[1993eclipseGS]

See, That is kind of true.. BUT, How many times do you hafto refill a turbo, Once you hit the button to many times? You dont, There is no button. A turbo is there for good, Nitrous is only there for how ever much the bottle can hold, Then you hafto refill it every time it runs out.

 

[BlackNWhiteRS]

Thats one good point, but I think the biggest point is that nitrous is not STREET LEGAL, turbos are. And even if you wanted to break the law and use nitrous on the street it would be stupid. If you had it on a WOT switch you would be going through nitrous like crazy, and if you just had it on a push button, you wouldn't have the power a turbo gives you every time you hit the gas.

Also, I'm not sure on this becaue I'm not clear on the physics behind nitrous but I *THINK* a 75 shot of nitrous is worse for your engine than turboing it.

All in all, I think NOS only makes sense for drag racing, it's not a solution for cheap horespower on the streets.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Thats one good point, but I think the biggest point is that nitrous is not STREET LEGAL, turbos are. And even if you wanted to break the law and use nitrous on the street it would be stupid. If you had it on a WOT switch you would be going through nitrous like crazy, and if you just had it on a push button, you wouldn't have the power a turbo gives you every time you hit the gas.

Also, I'm not sure on this becaue I'm not clear on the physics behind nitrous but I *THINK* a 75 shot of nitrous is worse for your engine than turboing it.

All in all, I think NOS only makes sense for drag racing, it's not a solution for cheap horespower on the streets.

it doesnt work like that. most have arming switches that, when switched on, inject nitrous when you hit WOT. it doesnt automatically go on at WOT all the time that would be rediculous. i admit i would rather have a turbo then nitrous. nitrous is cheaper tho. and it is a bi*** when the bottle isnt open when you need it. but when it is open and you hit it it is a huge rush of power and adrenaline. 75hp shot of nitrous is safe on our stock engines. and the bottle needs to be refilled about every 15 1/4 mile runs. it costs me $30 to refill. ive had it since august and refilled it once. dont use it alot but when i do it is amazing.

 

[BlackNWhiteRS]

Yeah, I knew they had arming switches, but the way i read the top post it seemed he believed it was used everytime you hit wot.

Do you use your nitrous on the streets?

 

[miamieclipse]

If i am not mistaken, in FL at least, it is not illegal to have on the street nor is it illegal to refill it - It causes your car to pick up speed increadibly in a short amount of time which may cause you to speed & that is illegal.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Yeah, I knew they had arming switches, but the way i read the top post it seemed he believed it was used everytime you hit wot.

Do you use your nitrous on the streets?

i have never been to the track

 

[dsmrunnah95]

If i am not mistaken, in FL at least, it is not illegal to have on the street nor is it illegal to refill it - It causes your car to pick up speed increadibly in a short amount of time which may cause you to speed & that is illegal.

It's not illegal in NC either as long as the bottle isn't open.

 

[rarson]

Also, I'm not sure on this becaue I'm not clear on the physics behind nitrous but I *THINK* a 75 shot of nitrous is worse for your engine than turboing it.

I'm not clear on the red text an inch above the reply box, but I *THINK* it says something like "#3 No Guesses - if you don't know, don't reply - don't spread misinformation (no "I think" or "I guess" or "I've heard")." Clearly, you suffer from the same misconceptions that almost everyone who hasn't used nitrous does, namely the idea that nitrous is somehow more destructive than any other power adder simply because you don't know how it works.

Who cares if nitrous is street legal? It's not appropriate to be using it on the street, period, because if you are, then obviously you're street racing. And not only is that illegal, but it's stupid. Kind of like this thread. People who argue the cheapness of nitrous obviously haven't had to refill a bottle 20-odd times.

 

[GSGoinFast]

I'm not clear on the red text an inch above the reply box, but I *THINK* it says something like "#3 No Guesses - if you don't know, don't reply - don't spread misinformation (no "I think" or "I guess" or "I've heard")." Clearly, you suffer from the same misconceptions that almost everyone who hasn't used nitrous does, namely the idea that nitrous is somehow more destructive than any other power adder simply because you don't know how it works.

Who cares if nitrous is street legal? It's not appropriate to be using it on the street, period, because if you are, then obviously you're street racing. And not only is that illegal, but it's stupid. Kind of like this thread. People who argue the cheapness of nitrous obviously haven't had to refill a bottle 20-odd times.

for $500 you get 300 1/4 mile runs... how long do you think it would take to need to refill it that many times? ive refilled mine once in 4 months. it lasts longer then you think. and even being $500 for 300 1/4 mile runs, thats still have the price of a turbo or the difference in price of a NT and turbo model car.

 

[trdtercel92]

im not here to argue, so this is just my opinion....but yea nitrous will give you alot of power when you need it, but i think it is fake hp....its not like a turbo that is there every time you mash the throttle...i dunno, like i said it could be just me but i dont see the need for nitrous...others may, but i am anti-nitrous....unless you are a drag car that never sees the street....for example.....you race someone on the streets...you have nitrous and the other guy either does or doesnt (not important)...you get your ass handed to you even when you use it.....now not only is your pride hurt but you just wasted all that spray for nothing.....where as with a turbo, you get your ass handed to you and you have a hurt pride....but all the turbo is still there....in the long run a turbo is more cost friendly

 

[NitrousBob]

I vote for the N2O.. Take a turbo engine and take the turbo off and run 250 shot or more. Im sure you get a weight advantage over heavy turbo and piping and intercooler. Nitrous is completely safe done right. I of course meant in a GS that already doesnt have a turbo. Im working on one right now. If the engine will handle 450hp and all I got to do is replace the headgasket and some valves im down. I do recommend a nitrous computer to bring it on smooth so you dont break traction. Nitrous isn't sprayed... its fogged

 

[trdtercel92]

how do you figure the weight thing? if you have a turbo and a n20 bottle, the bottle i guarantee will weigh the exact same if not more! it doesnt matter if "done right" if you get a crack in the feed line and it catches fire, you are done....literally! not just your car...think about it, if you have too much boost you will lose your engine....weight has nothing to do with it.....

 

[DSM-ZERO]

When I lived in Texas I ran a 14.2 on nitrous with street tires
1. Nitrous 75 shot
2. CAI
3. Cat back exhaust
4. Header

I have not been to the track since I turboed my car and moved to colorado

 

[BlackNWhiteRS]

Sorry for "spreading misinformation". Thank You for straightening me out on the fact that a 75 shot is safe to use, however can you give me complete proof as to this? Or are you guessing?

The reason I said that statement about NOS was because it is what I have read, now the reason whoever wrote it in the first place said it is because a person may put NOS on a completely stock car, whereas when adding a turbo there are things you should upgrade such as your fuel system. I know for a fact that if you are injecting too much nitrous, you will create too much oxygen in your engine, because N20 is an oxidizer. This is not good for your engine, it would be the same thing as adding a very large turbo pushing high boost to a car with a stock fuel system.

As far as NOS being street legal, yeah sure you can have it in your car with it off and be driving around, what I meant was actually using it on the streets.

 

[miamieclipse]

im not here to argue, so this is just my opinion....but yea nitrous will give you alot of power when you need it, but i think it is fake hp....its not like a turbo that is there every time you mash the throttle

Turbo isnt there all the time, you need to get it into boost & depending on the size turbo you will have turbo lag....Smartass :laugh:

Why is it fake hp? Looks pretty real to me, when i step onto the dyno or onto the track the times / whp seem to reflect it as real hp.....By your theory of "its not there all the time" i dont understand how you could not consider a turbo as fake hp....Turbo Lag....

What about a supercharger? Its only there when you push the throttle past 66%, wouldnt that be fake hp cuz if your crusing at 30% throttle opening the supercharger isn't in effect.

 

[GSGoinFast]

how do you figure the weight thing? if you have a turbo and a n20 bottle, the bottle i guarantee will weigh the exact same if not more! it doesnt matter if "done right" if you get a crack in the feed line and it catches fire, you are done....literally! not just your car...think about it, if you have too much boost you will lose your engine....weight has nothing to do with it.....

please refrain from talking. the bottle weighs 25lbs full. less then a turbo and intercooler with piping. next, i dont see how stainless steel braided lines can crack, but if you say so . third, nitrous isnt flamable. this isnt fast and the furious here. your not done cuz it wont happen.

im not here to argue, so this is just my opinion....but yea nitrous will give you alot of power when you need it, but i think it is fake hp....its not like a turbo that is there every time you mash the throttle...i dunno, like i said it could be just me but i dont see the need for nitrous...others may, but i am anti-nitrous....unless you are a drag car that never sees the street....for example.....you race someone on the streets...you have nitrous and the other guy either does or doesnt (not important)...you get your ass handed to you even when you use it.....now not only is your pride hurt but you just wasted all that spray for nothing.....where as with a turbo, you get your ass handed to you and you have a hurt pride....but all the turbo is still there....in the long run a turbo is more cost friendly

You dont waste a whole lot of nitrous if you spray one race. you get at least 15 races per bottle. and it would have to be a long long run for a turbo to be more cost friendly.

Sorry for "spreading misinformation". Thank You for straightening me out on the fact that a 75 shot is safe to use, however can you give me complete proof as to this? Or are you guessing?

The reason I said that statement about NOS was because it is what I have read, now the reason whoever wrote it in the first place said it is because a person may put NOS on a completely stock car, whereas when adding a turbo there are things you should upgrade such as your fuel system. I know for a fact that if you are injecting too much nitrous, you will create too much oxygen in your engine, because N20 is an oxidizer. This is not good for your engine, it would be the same thing as adding a very large turbo pushing high boost to a car with a stock fuel system.

As far as NOS being street legal, yeah sure you can have it in your car with it off and be driving around, what I meant was actually using it on the streets.

i can give you proof a 75 shot is safe on a stock engine. im running it and so are many others with no problems.

Injecting too much nitrous does not cause too much oxygen in the cylinder unless your running a dry kit with inadequite fuel injectors and/or fuel pump. lets talk wet kits because anyone whose smart would have wet over dry. the problem with injecting too much nitrous is cylinder pressure getting to high and blowing internals. wet kits inject the proper amount of fuel from the end of the fuel rail(in our cars), so you should always have a safe a/f ratio given your using the proper jets.

 

[miamieclipse]

Nice shutdown chris....Do i get any credit?

I tried to restrain myself with what i responded as i went a little to far in my other post on that kid claiming to run a 15.2 w/ cai, header & cat back exhaust

 

[GSGoinFast]

Nice shutdown chris....Do i get any credit?

I tried to restrain myself with what i responded as i went a little to far in my other post on that kid claiming to run a 15.2 w/ cai, header & cat back exhaust

ya that was a good point. those dyno runs and 1/4 times dont look fake to me. :laugh:

 

[trdtercel92]

n20 isnt flamable???!?!?!?then how the hell do you think it works????!!!! you dont spray it and magicaly you get power!!!! and what the hell turbo are you runnin that weighs over 20 lbs??!?!?!? and sorry for wanting to have my own ####ing opinion!!!! i said at the begining of the thread that i was stating my own view!!!!! you guys callin me smart ass for what reason? just to act like a lil kid! thought we had all grown up and can respect eachothers opinions! guess i was wrong....the only asses here are the ones that cant let someone have their own opinions!!!! i mean holy shit....####ing become an adult at some point in your life

 

[GSGoinFast]

n20 isnt flamable???!?!?!?then how the hell do you think it works????!!!! you dont spray it and magicaly you get power!!!! and what the hell turbo are you runnin that weighs over 20 lbs??!?!?!? and sorry for wanting to have my own ####ing opinion!!!! i said at the begining of the thread that i was stating my own view!!!!! you guys callin me smart ass for what reason? just to act like a lil kid! thought we had all grown up and can respect eachothers opinions! guess i was wrong....the only asses here are the ones that cant let someone have their own opinions!!!! i mean holy shit....####ing become an adult at some point in your life

well, your "opinion" of nitrous being flamable is completely wrong. nitrous isnt flamable. the gas breaks apart at around 565 degrees. then, your have oxygen, which, with a fuel is flamable, and nitrogen, which acts as a buffer.

and when i was looking at my friends bro's T-25, it was a lot heavier then i thought it would be. plus intercooler and piping and i bet its more then 25lbs.

i just looked back at my post and didnt say any of your opinions were wrong. i pointed out your factual fallacies. so please, think before you post. thanks

 

[rarson]

well, your "opinion" of nitrous being flamable is completely wrong. nitrous isnt flamable. the gas breaks apart at around 565 degrees. then, your have oxygen, which, with a fuel is flamable, and nitrogen, which acts as a buffer.

Yep, nailed that one on the head. I'm not sure why everyone seems to think that nitrous is "dangerous," probably because of so many idiots that installed it not knowing what they were doing. If the install is sound, and the a/f ratio is right, then adding 75 hp from nitrous is no different then adding 75 hp from a turbo. The reason most cars handle a 75 shot okay is this is this amount is usually within the mechanical stability of the engine parts and the fuel delivery of the stock engine (plus whatever fuel delivery is supplied with the nitrous kit, which would be why a 50-shot seems to be the "popular" limit with a dry kit... though I think you'd have to be stupid to run a dry kit when wet kits are just as cheap).

and when i was looking at my friends bro's T-25, it was a lot heavier then i thought it would be. plus intercooler and piping and i bet its more then 25lbs.

Yeah, someone's probably never seen a turbo in person before, or picked one up. The T-25 is a hefty bi***, and any other turbo is going to weigh even more. See, there's this stuff, it's called IRON and it's strong but it weighs alot, and that's what the turbine housing is made of. My small 16g easily weighs 30 lbs, at least. Not to mention there's more cast iron in the exhaust manifold, and like you mentioned, the extra things a turbo requires like intercooler, piping, blow-off valve, etc.

thought we had all grown up and can respect eachothers opinions! guess i was wrong....the only asses here are the ones that cant let someone have their own opinions!!!! i mean holy shit....####ing become an adult at some point in your life

Grown-ups use things like capitalization, punctuation, spelling, and complete sentences. If you want to be treated like a grown-up, then act like one. And stop spreading "facts" that aren't true (and no, you weren't stating an opinion that "I think nitrous is harder on an engine than a turbo," you were using it as basis for your argument, as a FACT).

 

[DSMJim]

Just to give some clarification nitrous is technically harder on an engine than turbo is, here's why.

Nitrous comes on instantly and build cylinder pressure very quickly (well instantly for that purpose) which is hard on engine parts as they go from handeling 150hp to 225hp after your 75hp shot kicks in. On a turbo car is happens gradually as the turbo spool up, that slight delay in time makes it a lot more mechanical part friendly. That being said any stock engine can take 50-75hp shot of nitrous (dry or wet) genearlly with no problems. Must like non-turbo engines can have 6-7psi of boost stock with no problems.

If you build your motor for turbo or for nitrous or turbo&nitrous together your pistons will be quite different because of this. Pistons for a turbo car can still be light weight and have the rings up pretty high on the piston for the best sealing possible. Entroduce nitrous into the situation and you need thicker skirts and a heavier pistons with the rings moved down lower to be able to take the abuse of nitrous.

Just some other quick FYI's for many of you, adding a turbo to a non-turbo car is not legal in most places where nitrous is also ilegal.

Many people think nitrous is illegal and it is not, they just ASSUME it is. Here in Ontario it is not illegal and just about everybody think it is. Generally is people with absolutly no experience with nitrous that believe that.

Nitrous is non flammable and even states so on the bottle. Any compressed gas must have warning labels about the contents either on the vehicle (over 75lbs) or on the bottle (under 75lbs of gas). Nitrous is like a fire extenguisher with regards to the law so carrying it is legal and safe. The odd exception is propane for a BBQ they have no warning lable on them.

Just so everybody is on the same page here is a quick run down. Engines need fuel and air to run. HP comes from burning gasoline no other way, period. If you burn more gasoline you make more HP. There is no other explanation so don't even try. By adding things like headers and intake, you allow the engine to pump more air in and out of the engine which allows it to burn more fuel which is where HP comes from. Nitrous is nothing but compressed air essentially. Your forcing air into the engine so you can burn more fuel (sound familiar to a turbo? thats because it's the same) by burning more fuel you get more HP. Nitrous is not a fuel in any way shape or form. Nitrous is laughing gas just like you get at the dentist (minus the 100 parts per million in automotive grade to stop people abusing it) just sprayed into your motor not mouth.

 

[aliczander]

myself i think when people mention "fake hp" amnost other things, they are just looking for a fight!

I dont see why it matter where hp comes from, weather it comes from a bottle, a turbo, all motor, or any other sorce if it goes fast it goes fast and thats what it all basicly comes down to.
and as far as turbo weights, why do you think a gst weights 200 lbs more then a gs. sure there are other factors, but the main part is because of the turbo and all the other acc. that go with it

i think people need to just deal with it, openions are like ass holes, everybodys got one and every body thinks everyone else's stinks

we need to get along a little better in this thread before it gets closed for fighting, i think its a good thread as far as the information it provides, so lets leave openions out of it and stick to the facts

i wonder, if you used laughfing gas wounld it give you more hp then automotive n20? I would think it would because its stronger i guess u could say, but i have no experence with it is i have no idea.

 

[InjenTalon96]

you put a turbo on your car and you git 60hp for $1,899 you can go and buy a nitrous kit a for $499 and you will git 75hp so look at the price diffrince

my buddy put a turbo kit on his 98 eclipse, it was a bad investment in his part, he bought a star turbo kit, stage 2 with the fmic, he is only able to run about 7 pounds of boost, and he still gets fuel cut, its not worth it, so go from there....$3199.00

If u were get injectors....that will run u about 350
Then u get a fuel pump....thats about 80 bucks

Now you can run more boost, wow how much more like 12-13.....ya now u have stock internals....

Pistons....500
Rods....300

not to mention installation charges....

so u do the math, if u want to spend all that money on a turbo kit when ur going to have to all the other work after, and oh ya....nos is stupid, blows motors up, def dont waste ur money on that...