The best Pump Gas "Turbo" set up? [Merged 5-7]

[badboyr66]

I know hw they prevent it, but it would seemthat if thereis a internal WG option, they would already have some measures in places

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

it's physics. You need to change things sometimes to make other things work.

 

[badboyr66]

i was reffering to whomever u got the turbo from. If the inernal gate was an option they would have kinda included this factors in since it so well known. I should prob call them

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

Not everyone's setup is the same when it comes to the issue of boost creep you must remember that. The boost creep problem can be worked around if it wasn't do-able then it wouldn't be sold EVERYWHERE.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by I_eat_DSM's
Not everyone's setup is the same when it comes to the issue of boost creep you must remember that. The boost creep problem can be worked around if it wasn't do-able then it wouldn't be sold EVERYWHERE.

Boost creep on large internally gated turbos. Usually is only an issue when trying to regulate very low boost levels.Also in regard to Tubular headers. A well constructed equal length header.

Will spool quicker flow more and offer better throttle response. Then a comparable ported EVO or 2G. The issue with tube headers has always been cracking and price.

Has zero to do with if it will hinder your abilities to achieve your goals. To assume such is laughable.As far as the *best* pump gas turbo, Its hard to say. I tend to lean towards the findings of AMS. Simply because it appears they have done the most back to back testing.

 

[Gooberlog]

Interested in a internally gated .50 trim turbo. I have a 2g mani, heavily ported o2housing and 2.5" turboback w/ a racepipe.

JDMAWD, as you said in your above coment that boost creep would be less of a problem if you run higher boost levels, what boost do you think i would have to run to keep boost creep to a minimal/ tuneable level. Would i be able to turn up the boost safely to this tuneable level with 255 pump, 550injectors, and 94 octane for daily driving?
I understand 660's would be nessesary for future tuning. Thank you for all of your experienced feedback guys
Gooberlog,
PS, also using, Supra sidemount, SAFC, 2g MAF, dejontool 3" intake should bolt up to a .50trim correct?

 

[ITSME4G63]

Shell gas

 

[harryb]

Check into the Forced Performance 2544 Dual Ball Bearing Turbo. Amazing spool (rivals stock) and loves to be around and above 20 psi, yes on pump gas. Most people opt for the internal wastegate and it has usually does not have any creep with a proper O2 housing. It's a 44 lb/min turbo also. A very good friend has this turbo and open track races his Talon quite a bit, and loves the turbo on the street and track.

-Brady

 

[jdmawd]

what boost do you think i would have to run to keep boost creep to a minimal/ tuneable level.

I had no creep issues at 20 psi and above using a PTE 50 trim that was internally gated.

 

[badboyr66]

see here is where I am, the 50 trim, is lookin about as good as a hotty red head in my bed right about now. I would like to be running 16-17 psi for puttin around, and 20 or more when needed. But me no waaaant the creeeeep. Reminds me of the creeper form scooby doo "creeeeperr creeeeeper"... ok sorry I will stop. So ya about that boost creep

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by badboyr66
see here is where I am, the 50 trim, is lookin about as good as a hotty red head in my bed right about now. I would like to be running 16-17 psi for puttin around, and 20 or more when needed. But me no waaaant the creeeeep. Reminds me of the creeper form scooby doo "creeeeperr creeeeeper"... ok sorry I will stop. So ya about that boost creep

If you're considering a 50 trim turbo. To run 16-17 psi is a waste of your time and money.

 

[badboyr66]

i think u r missing the point, I am not just running 16-17 psi. Right now my dual stage is set 16/21

 

[crankbender]

check out this post

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107653

This should help you some in deciding on a turbo.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by badboyr66
i think u r missing the point,my dual stage is set 16/21

Sounds cool. However boost is a consistent you set *one* boost level and tune the car around it.

 

[badboyr66]

mmm ya that is kinda a given. I tune mine for higher psi since things can get more critical, my concern is if i use a 50 trip, will i encounter more probs with creep

 

[Gooberlog]

Originally posted by jdmawd
I had no creep issues at 20 psi and above using a PTE 50 trim that was internally gated.

Ok so that answers my question, Thank you, now would i be safe running 20psi on a .50 trim internally gated w/ a supra sidemount, walbro255low pump, safc, logger, 550's? Do you think that i would have to put in 660's at minmal or do you think that i might get away with 550s at only 20psi w/ 94 oct. I'm set on a .50 trim, just not sure of the wastegate. What o2 housing did you have w/ the internally gated .50trim? Alot of people recomend, the PTE .50 trim, would this turbo with the stock form internal gate be ok to put on my car and start tuning? Also what does the turbine trim effect, i see alot of people get the .63 turbine side. Thanks and sorry for all of the questions i just want to know my sh!t before i throw it on my car.
Gooberlog

 

[jdmawd]

would i be safe running 20psi on a .50 trim internally gated w/ a supra sidemount, walbro255low pump, safc, logger, 550's?

I have no idea i would at least use 650-660cc injectors.

What o2 housing did you have w/ the internally gated .50trim?

3" tubular.

Also what does the turbine trim effect,

flow and spools 69 trim will spool quicker 76 trim will flow more up top

i see alot of people get the .63 turbine side.

The pte stuff comes out to .55(i think) if you go full Garrett the .63 is the best compromise between spool and flow.

i just want to know my sh!t before i throw it on my car.

Come down ill let you take the bird for a spin You might change your mind again

 

[Gooberlog]

Thanks for all of the answers, but not sure about the bird. Is this bird a talon or a firebird? but anyway, i see the usual options seem to be .48 or .63 turbine, now i'm not looking to make most of my power too high, don't wanna take it past 7500 for a while. So if a higher turbine measurement = more flow on the top end at higher rpms, would the .48 be a better choice for sub 7500rpm ranges, aslo would a lower turbine trim result in boost creep? Once again, sorry this is my main sorce for technical turbo questions and you guys are all over it. THanks, Gooberlog

 

[Gooberlog]

Just reread the bottom of your post, sorry have some beer in me, but sure i'd love to take if for a spin, but would a .50trim be better for a street driven pump gas turbo then the FP3052? I know that's a killer turbo but i've been seeing that the .50 trim is great for a pump gas killer and even better when juiced w/ race gas at the track.

 

[iceo404]

50 trim is lookin the best way to go. i think that should due for u. im thinking about getting me one i have heard only good things.

 

[jdmawd]

but would a .50trim be better for a street driven pump gas turbo then the FP3052?

Better in regard to drivability response and spool #### yeah. Better in regard to pump gas HP? Cant say 50 trims have put down some impressive numbers on pump, and i have none for the fp3052 yet.

I can tell you that the fp3052 on pump gas. At the same boost level as my previous 50 trim. The 50 trim is not even comparable.

 

[Revolution]

You my friend are the only one on this forum that I now of who has a
fp 3052 (i am still waiting on mine to come in from fp) .You previously stated that the 50 trim spools faster than the fp 3052 but it cant hold a light compared to it at the same boost settings . Plz elaborate.

I personally am dieing to get this thing on my car , and start tuning .
Im excited to be the first one from Magnus motor sports to get it , and im shure alot of ppl want to see how much I can squeez out of my car with all stock internals.

Well as far as the 50 trim goes as being the pump gas king,,, well a rep at fp said the 3052 is by far the better of the two but then again maybe he was trying to sell it to me?

Any how If it spools under 3500 rpm I'll be happy .

so jdm give me some insight as to the feelings and advice on the 3052 in comparison to the 50 trim .

 

[jdmawd]

You previously stated that the 50 trim spools faster than the fp 3052 but it cant hold a light compared to it at the same boost settings . Plz elaborate.

If that's how one of my posts came across. This was not the intent. My PTE with its tiny turbine housing compared to the custom housing the fp30's use. Spooled the same 25 psi at 3500-3600 rpms. Keep in mind that the A/R of the pte housings comes out to about .55 and the FP30 housing comes out to around .70 a/r. Just some points to consider as was continue the reference the boost threshold of each turbo.

but it cant hold a light compared to it at the same boost settings . Plz elaborate.

Unfortunately I really cant until I get the car dynoed on pump gas again with all the little bugs worked out. However at the same boost level. The 3052 is much much faster then my old pte 50 trim. No dyno is needed to tell you this I promise you.

Well as far as the 50 trim goes as being the pump gas king,,, well a rep at fp said the 3052 is by far the better of the two but then again maybe he was trying to sell it to me?

I don’t think this is the case. They defined what a pump gas turbo is with the green. If they told you the fp3052 will blow any of the 50 trim stuff away you can definitely trust that this is the case

Any how If it spools under 3500 rpm I'll be happy

Keep in mind that 3800'ish is the norm. However remember the hot side is much larger then a comparably sized pte or ballistic 4 bolt stage 3 in a .63 A/R

so jdm give me some insight as to the feelings and advice on the 3052 in comparison to the 50 trim .

I think Forced performance gave you all the info you needed to know

 

[Revolution]

dude thanx you were right on it.

Since im ansy about getting my turbo I have one last question , do you in you're honest opinion think this turbo is low11 or high 10 sec material ?? Supporting mods aside,,, from driving you'r car do you think it has the cohones of the whiplash affect?

Any how soon my beast will be ready and then I could pull some runs and see what this bad boy can really do.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Revolution
dude thanx you were right on it.

Since im ansy about getting my turbo I have one last question , do you in you're honest opinion think this turbo is low11 or high 10 sec material

Considering full Garrett 50's have put 11.0's and faster on the table and in a few rare instances 10's. I think if you try hard enough its possible. For the average guy looking for a high 11 second car I think the 3032 will get you there with very little effort.

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