The best Pump Gas "Turbo" set up? [Merged 5-7]

[swing lo]

Don't have any real numbers yet because i'm in germany, but i'm going to a dyno at the end of this month in belgium. I will keep you posted if you still wanna know.

 

[AMS]

551whp was on race gas, nowhere on our site did I see it make reference to pump gas. If I'm missing something let me know so I can correct it right away. The variation of the GT35R we're using has made 410whp on pump gas and that was without spending serious time on dialing in the timing and boost to make more power. The BCI-18 50trim compressor wheel is a very good wheel and it probably one of the better wheels out there for street/strip applications. I ran the 50 trim back to back with the GT35R on our EVO 8 and the GT35R outperforms it in every aspect so far, less exh. manifold backpressure and more power at the same boost levels.

-Martin

 

[Lunch_Box]

So what would make a better pump gas turbo then a 50 trim or the GT35R?

 

[TellschAWD]

Originally posted by Lunch_Box
So what would make a better pump gas turbo then a 50 trim or the GT35R?

Are you kidding? Did you read his post?

Originally posted by AMS
I ran the 50 trim back to back with the GT35R on our EVO 8 and the GT35R outperforms it in every aspect so far, less exh. manifold backpressure and more power at the same boost levels.

-Martin

 

[dsm1kenobe]

Originally posted by AMS
The variation of the GT35R we're using has made 410whp on pump gas and that was without spending serious time on dialing in the timing and boost to make more power.

What TH A/R?

Originally posted by AMS
I ran the 50 trim back to back with the GT35R on our EVO 8 and the GT35R outperforms it in every aspect so far, less exh. manifold backpressure and more power at the same boost levels. -Martin

What boost levels are you talking about here?

 

[IAMCLP1]

Originally posted by Violater101
I made 333 on my latest trip to the dyno on my Green @19 or so psi with crappy timing

You dont have any type of lsd? How bad is the traction...


Corey

 

[Lunch_Box]

Originally posted by TellschAWD
Are you kidding? Did you read his post?

I know what he said but everyone has always said that the 50trim is the best pump gas/street turbo. So me along with other probably want to know more about this turbo and what it can do.

 

[Clipse]

I just order an AGP full garrett 50 trim, stage 3, .63 A/R last friday. This setup can put you in the mid 11's on pump fairly easily with the correct supporting mods. Give Kevin @ AGP a call, he will talk you through your decision and help you make a confident one.

 

[ProjectTwin]

The next step and the most popular street/strip T3/T4 hybrid combination. Our vehicles have been able to reach 20psi of boost at 3700-3800rpm.

-49 lb/min compressor
-50 trim T04E compressor
-76 trim T31 turbine wheel
-T04E (3" inlet, 2" outlet) compressor housing
-Setup for manifold mounted or O2 mounted external wastegate
(internal wastegate optional)

Installation Options

Price - $800

Is this the turbo you guys are using?

 

[Clipse]

Originally posted by ProjectTwin
The next step and the most popular street/strip T3/T4 hybrid combination. Our vehicles have been able to reach 20psi of boost at 3700-3800rpm.

-49 lb/min compressor
-50 trim T04E compressor
-76 trim T31 turbine wheel
-T04E (3" inlet, 2" outlet) compressor housing
-Setup for manifold mounted or O2 mounted external wastegate
(internal wastegate optional)

Installation Options

Price - $800

Is this the turbo you guys are using?

That's the RS49, the one we are talking about is the full garrett kit.

 

[Violater101]

Bottom line is that you can have the best turbo in the world and not be able to tune it and then your stuck with just average #'s. I think any of the above mentioned turbo's is going to make really good power if done right, its mainly a matter of just how much cash you want to spend. If your fwd, you probably want a turbo that is going to spool abit later as your only going to be spinning tires on the street.

 

[swing lo]

Ive got a 50 trim from agp,it's the GTbb non- ball bearing. It get's the job done though. Being that the turbo is not ball bearing, i hit full boost at 3800.

My advice is to get one, slap it on, and go ride
#### tuning the car, just turn the boost way up and go





Just joking fellas.

 

[14.5 drift]

is a turbo upgrade smog legal in cali?

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by Clipse
This setup can put you in the mid 11's on pump fairly easily with the correct supporting mods.

It's not THAT easy. Takes a LOT of parts, lot of work, and TONS of tuning. Took me 4 trips to the track just to crack into the 11's. Then another 2 trips to get into the mid 11's. Just try not to make it sound like you slap on the parts, and immediately go mid 11's on a half-ass tune. Not gonna happen.

 

[ProjectTwin]

Originally posted by Clipse
That's the RS49, the one we are talking about is the full garrett kit.

Link?

I'm finding the site hard to navigate.

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

Called and talked to Kevin today and he said that people with the full Garrett kit have been making north of 450+whp on pump with the proper setup. Sounds quite impressive to me I think that's what I'm going with whenever I can get some bloody money. Yeah it's definitely going to take alot of tuning but with the proper setup tuning isn't that terribly hard it just takes time and knowledge. I<3's

 

[Violater101]

Proper Setup = built motor, port and polished head, cams etc ....basically the works. Making 450 on pump is not a drop in the bucket. If it was that easy, alot of people would be doing. Like I said, it all boils down to how much $$$ you have to spend and how much patience you have with tuning.

Good Luck,

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

Thanks but I know a proper setup is. When this goes on I'll have Ross 8.5's, Eagle Rods, and HKS cams put on to go along with my 3"GM blow through setup, Ross 8.5's, FMIC, fuel mods and more.... I'm looking to put down around 425 and I'll be happy, but if my countless hours of obsessive compulsive disorder tuning net me better than that then so be it.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by Violater101
Proper Setup = built motor, port and polished head, cams etc ....basically the works. Making 450 on pump is not a drop in the bucket. If it was that easy, alot of people would be doing. Like I said, it all boils down to how much $$$ you have to spend and how much patience you have with tuning.

Good Luck,

I did it on a stock 157k mile short block, with 126psi in #3 (from god knows what) and 150's in the rest, stock head, stock valvetrain, HKS 272's. Put the RIGHT (read: proven) parts on the car, tune it well, drive it even better, and you will be rewarded. No need to build a motor until you blow the current one up. A 50 trim, on a good tune, can't make enough hp to kill a stock 6 bolt.

 

[badboyr66]

hmm I have a question, ok fine I have 2.

1. what id someone wanted to stay with a mts turbo?

2. can that 50 trim come internaly gated?

ok fine 3. the 5 trim can go to a stock style mani right?

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by badboyr66
hmm I have a question, ok fine I have 2.

1. what id someone wanted to stay with a mts turbo?

2. can that 50 trim come internaly gated?

ok fine 3. the 5 trim can go to a stock style mani right?

An FP Green is all Mitsubishi except for the compressor wheel (50 trim). All of the turbos are using Garrett CHRA's mated to custom cast turbine manifolds made to mount directly to a Mitsu exhaust manifold.

All of the vendors offer the option of internal gate.

The ONLY 50 trim that doesn't bolt up to our cars is a full t3/t4 50 trim.

 

[badboyr66]

hmm so do you think an internaly gated 50 trim with say a dn performance mani can get to these times?

also, I am at thr site and cannot find just the turbo, i see the full kit but just the 50 trim

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by badboyr66
hmm so do you think an internaly gated 50 trim with say a dn performance mani can get to these times?

also, I am at thr site and cannot find just the turbo, i see the full kit but just the 50 trim

Internally gated turbos may have boost creep problems. I wouldn't use a DNPerformance header. Know anybody that's gone fast using one? I don't. But I know tons of people going fast on stock 2G manifolds. Those are cheap and can be found anywhere. But you could also be a pioneer and be one of the first reported users of this manifold, and go fast on it. I don't like to be guinea pigs for products. I like to use what's proven to work. I don't have enough time/money to waste on new products. I use what others have used in the past.

I dont' know what site you are looking at for what turbo.

 

[badboyr66]

NM i found the turbo

I wonder what I could do about boost creep, and from what I see the DN is a very sexy piece, but yes this is true, no one is using them. maybe the cost

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Boost creep is solved by porting the WG hole and installing a larger flapper door. Done wrong, you ruin the turbine housing. As for sexy pieces, sexy doesn't always means it works. The Mutt turbos were very sexy when they first came out. Look how they turned out. You can always polish a turd, but it will still be a turd. Stick to what works.