The best Pump Gas "Turbo" set up? [Merged 5-7]

[Clipse]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
It's not THAT easy. Takes a LOT of parts, lot of work, and TONS of tuning. Took me 4 trips to the track just to crack into the 11's. Then another 2 trips to get into the mid 11's. Just try not to make it sound like you slap on the parts, and immediately go mid 11's on a half-ass tune. Not gonna happen.

I didn't mean to put anybodys hard work down, so I apologize if that's what it sounded like. I was just told that this was easily a mid 11 second pump gas turbo by Kevin. I'm sure it takes hours if not days of tuning with the correct parts, not to mention a good driver, to accomplish those kind of numbers.

 

[Clipse]

Originally posted by jdmawd
Seacrest out!!!:laugh:

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[Violater101]

With my Green minus cam's/AFPR I was seeing over 100% duty cycle with 550's@18psi. I'm sure 660's should work fine. I'm only seeing around 72-74% duty cycle currently with 720's@19psi

 

[bigfoot]

I compared the 50 vs the 3052 for the longest time and this is what I came up with. I really like two features of the 3052, the turbine housing and the BB CHRA, but the GT wheel is still unproven vs the 50 as far as I know. Now the 3052 compressor wheel is almost the same diameter as the 50 trim. So, you might think about getting one, and if it doesnt work out for you(slim chance), swap a 50 trim wheel and cover onto it. Get the best of both. I don't see how you could go wrong with the 3052.

 

[Revolution]

Sorry to spoil the fun jdm but i guess my cat got the better of me.
Well as far as the 3052 I guess alot of ppl did'nt get them when they first came out bcause of the price tag , but thankfully it went down enough to make my mouth water .

So I sold my beloved evo 3 turbo and put the down payment on the fp. Mind you that 1200 american is practically 1700 canadian , not to mention shipping and tax , but wtf Im not gonna go half assed.

As far as the 3052 is concerned I've been doing some chating with some guys from nabr and dsm.org wich both happen to be friends wich preferd those forums and they did some asking.

Turns out no body really has any info on them as of yet but from what my buddy said it is just as good if not better then the 62-1 (? im sorry if I made a mistake on the OTHER turbo ). Well this came from the nabr site .


I in my situation for the 10 sec marc I will also be introducing some nos into the equasion to get my results .

Well dont go running to fp pr a dealer just yet to pick one up
I'll make shure to let every body know how my 2g (with very specific mods) does on the dyno and at test and tune with in the months time , but then again im pretty shure everybody will keep bench racing till then.


P.s what is this that I hear about shep and some madddd displacement?

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by Violater101
With my Green minus cam's/AFPR I was seeing over 100% duty cycle with 550's@18psi. I'm sure 660's should work fine. I'm only seeing around 72-74% duty cycle currently with 720's@19psi

Just an FYI, here are my IDC's:

FP Green, 45psi base, Denso 660's, Supra TT pump, 25psi, 93 octane, I hit 95% IDC. bumping up the base FP to 50psi will help this a bit. Running race gas will make the IDC practically a non issue, since I can drop the amt. of fuel needed way down, therefore lowering my IDC a ton.

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

AFPR is a good thing...

Anyway what would be considered the most cost-effective pump gas solution? I'd be willing to settle if it was something that was very cost effective when it came to money/horsepower value.

 

[Gooberlog]

What a/r trim and hot side trim do you think would be best for quickest spool up? Not looking to make globs of power, but want a quick spool with a nice punch. Thanks
Gooberlog

 

[Violater101]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
Just an FYI, here are my IDC's:

FP Green, 45psi base, Denso 660's, Supra TT pump, 25psi, 93 octane, I hit 95% IDC. bumping up the base FP to 50psi will help this a bit. Running race gas will make the IDC practically a non issue, since I can drop the amt. of fuel needed way down, therefore lowering my IDC a ton.

I would have thought they would have been lower than that. Im running base 43 fuel pressure with the 720's.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by Violater101
I would have thought they would have been lower than that. Im running base 43 fuel pressure with the 720's.

Crank your boost up to 25psi on pump, then see what your IDC's are

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by Gooberlog
What a/r trim and hot side trim do you think would be best for quickest spool up? Not looking to make globs of power, but want a quick spool with a nice punch. Thanks
Gooberlog

If you don't care about top end power, get a .48 a/r turbine housing with a stg. II wheel. Should spool up fairly decent.

 

[Violater101]

...maybe when I get some ARP head studs and something other than a stock clutch

 

[iceo404]

i just bought another dsm, a 95 tsi awd. it is basically stock. i haven't gone any larger than the 16g as of yet on any of my cars. But i think i am gonna go all out on this one. What is the best pump gas turbo and what kinda of numbers will i be looking at with these mods: fmic,full 3" exhaust, downpipe, ported exhaust manifold,intake,660 or 720 injectors, s-afc, and some other basic mods.

 

[4geze63]

i think 660's would be ok, 720s might be overkill, 300-320 hp well tuned

 

[Gooberlog]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
If you don't care about top end power, get a .48 a/r turbine housing with a stg. II wheel. Should spool up fairly decent.

With a .48a/r and a "stage 2 wheels; not sure what that is" what kinda WHP would this be ranging outputs? i've seen alot of .50 trims rated at 400+, how much power is sacrificed for the quick spool?

 

[blcknspo0ln]

this has been debated a million times do a search.

my suggestion is the pte 50 trim.. then there's the green and the 52

i say 660's too

 

[DSMNightmare]

I pulled 335hp on pump gas with 550 injectors with a 20G. I would say go with a 20G or 50 trim. Also if you have the cash look at water injection.

 

[Liquid Illusion]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
low 11's on pump gas is hard as shit. I'm currently at 11.50 right now, on an FP Green. ANYTHING in the 11's on pump gas is an accomplishment.

You got that right, making enough horse power on pump gas is one thing. To drive it into the 11's is entirely different. Trust me its not easy, 11.5 on pump gas is 'Amazing!'

 

[truwarrior]

Which one would be a better pump gas 93 oct turbo? Will be useing stock smic but might upgrade to a bigger one orelse a fmic. Don't care which one spools quicker etc, just wanna know which one my engine will like the most and be reliable. BTW I have dsmlink for tuning and will have a upgrade fuel system before the turbo goes in. Thanks.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

16G have better top-end than a t-28 so i would say a 16G

 

[truwarrior]

Does the t28 run out of boost and drop like a t25 on the top end or does it heat up the air more then an evo16g? I wanna run as much as boost possible with 0 knock counts. Engine internals will not be touched at this point in time. Probably just goin with an upgraded smic.

 

[Nabyar]

Originally posted by truwarrior
Does the t28 run out of boost and drop like a t25 on the top end or does it heat up the air more then an evo16g? I wanna run as much as boost possible with 0 knock counts. Engine internals will not be touched at this point in time. Probably just goin with an upgraded smic.

Yes and no. The t28 has great spool but just like the t25, doesn't have top-end nearly compared to the 16g family turbo's. Price vs price, I would go with the 16g.

 

[luv4turbos]

I have a big T28 and I dont have any top end problems. I have all supporting mods except smic or fmic. I run 18psi. daily. She runs strong all the way to redline and even wants more. It's a remanufactured one so I only paid $550. Thats just a little less than 16g kit. I personally think they are both a good choice. I think it comes down to do you want a direct bolt on or not.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

16g more top end.. 16g..

cant wait to get rid of mine though.. if i were u.. i wouldnt get anything less than a 50 trim.. ur gonna end up regrettin it later if ur all bout power..

 

[Blktsi_awd_961]

I have the t-28 and I love it! Quick spool, no power loss at upper rpm, and I run 17psi all day, everyday! I have ridden in I friends car with a 16g(1g) and didn't notice any real difference in pull. He also runs 17psi. Alot of it depends on if you get the turbine housing ported and the wheel clipped. Mine is ported for better spool, but not clipped. I think it has plenty of top end the way it is, and it is a direct bolt on!

(hey luv4turbos, are you coming to the indy dsm meet on april 3rd?)