The $169 Kinetic 16G Turbo (yet another eBay Chinese turbo).

[khartley]

I was one of the poor idiots that bought the Ebay 16g about 6 months ago.. oddly enough its still doing good.. but anywho.. my thoughts the other day was if I could buy a Mitsubishi 16g rebuild kit to rebuild it, if that would work.. has anyone tried that or know someone who has?

 

[DSMGraveyardinc]

Wait, if these are so cheep, why doesn't some one get one and document what happens?? Put a MHI and one of these on, and throw it on the DynoJet? Then YouTube the heck out of it

Jon
DSM Graveyard

 

[khartley]

Mine was boosting 22psi for a while, now its about 15psi for winter.. but honestly, I don't know what a true 16g feels like, but it pulls hard enough for me.

 

[kottyking]

Thats what this thread seemed to be getting at, then it turned into a flame war about chinese parts.

 

[untouchablecc]

I have no shame in running this turbo. Why? because it was only 160 i didnt wanna keep it for ever i wanted it to last me a summer till i could afford a real turbo an go full bb. I have had the turbo a year an put 7000 miles on it. My friend has the exact same one an beats his car day in day out i have shut mine off after hard runs an never cared because its only 160 if it blows apart great just an excuse to get a real one i didnt have any 14b or anything laying around when i did my 6 bolt swap so i bought it. I run 20lbs out of it my friend has hit 25 in his only god knows how and we have no shaft play at all. We figured we would check it about once a month so hey for junk im freaking happy, so ill be ready for a garret when this blows but i have been unlucky at killing it. Btw my friend has 20,000 miles on his.

 

[joyfil2001]

I ran an Ebay 20g turbo. Same as the 16g except it had a 20g compressor wheel. It hauled ass at 20psi. However, just like every other ebay turbo, it started smoking on me in less than a year. I sent it to Justin for a rebuild and it currently is in my buddy's car. I bought FP's 18g and never looked back. The ebay turbo was WAY heavier than my new 18g and was laggy as hell. I run 22psi on my FP/MHI turbo now and have no doubt it will last me a long time.

 

[Nicks2319]

Why do people still talk bad about these ebay turbos? Has everyone already forgotten about threads like these:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...on-i-have-real-evo3-turbo-ebay-16g-turbo.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/250434-my-ebay-project.html

It seems like every time someone puts these ebay turbos to the test, they pass with flying colors. I don't understand why people knock on the fact that they are made in china, seeing as most of the products we buy today are from there.

 

[joyfil2001]

Why do people still talk bad about these ebay turbos? Has everyone already forgotten about threads like these:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...on-i-have-real-evo3-turbo-ebay-16g-turbo.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/250434-my-ebay-project.html

It seems like every time someone puts these ebay turbos to the test, they pass with flying colors. I don't understand why people knock on the fact that they are made in china, seeing as most of the products we buy today are from there.

Yea you are right. 2 people out of hundreds had success. - Yes they will work. But for how long and at what cost?

 

[byebyev8]

I'd never put a ebay turbo on one of my cars but supra's and sc300's run ebay turbo's all the time. They even have there own section for the xspower kits on their sites and I"ve never once read anything about the ebay turbo being worse than the real ones. I only know of 2 people running ebay kits on their cars and they still haven't had any turbo problems yet.

 

[JusMX141]

Why do people still talk bad about these ebay turbos? Has everyone already forgotten about threads like these:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...on-i-have-real-evo3-turbo-ebay-16g-turbo.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/250434-my-ebay-project.html

It seems like every time someone puts these ebay turbos to the test, they pass with flying colors. I don't understand why people knock on the fact that they are made in china, seeing as most of the products we buy today are from there.

If they passed with flying colors, I would never have to rebuild them...right?

Apparently you failed to read the content of post #8 in this thread.

my thoughts the other day was if I could buy a Mitsubishi 16g rebuild kit to rebuild it, if that would work.. has anyone tried that or know someone who has?

Nope.

To properly rebuild an eBay 16G, you'll need:

- Garrett T3 journal bearings.
- Garrett T3 turbine seal.
- Mitsu TD05H thrust plate.
- Mitsu TD05H thrust collar.
- Mitsu TD05H compressor collar.
- Mitsu TD05H compressor seal.

The thicker T3-spec shaft is a result of the early TD05H-spec shafts breaking because of the cheap-ass metal they were using. Instead of improving the metal, they simply made the shaft thicker....and screwed everyone who ever hoped of rebuilding one of these turbos using only a TD05H rebuild kit.

 

[joyfil2001]

If they passed with flying colors, I would never have to rebuild them...right?

Apparently you failed to read the content of post #8 in this thread.



Nope.

To properly rebuild an eBay 16G, you'll need:

- Garrett T3 journal bearings.
- Garrett T3 turbine seal.
- Mitsu TD05H thrust plate.
- Mitsu TD05H thrust collar.
- Mitsu TD05H compressor collar.
- Mitsu TD05H compressor seal.

The thicker T3-spec shaft is a result of the early TD05H-spec shafts breaking because of the cheap-ass metal they were using. Instead of improving the metal, they simply made the shaft thicker....and screwed everyone who ever hoped of rebuilding one of these turbos using only a TD05H rebuild kit.

Just listen to Jusmx141. He knows his crap!

 

[Nicks2319]

If they passed with flying colors, I would never have to rebuild them...right?

You say that as if mitsu oem turbo's never need rebuilt.

 

[kottyking]

Why do people still talk bad about these ebay turbos? Has everyone already forgotten about threads like these:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...on-i-have-real-evo3-turbo-ebay-16g-turbo.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/250434-my-ebay-project.html

It seems like every time someone puts these ebay turbos to the test, they pass with flying colors. I don't understand why people knock on the fact that they are made in china, seeing as most of the products we buy today are from there.

Is it that god damn hard to understand why these turbos are garbage????? China copys turbos, then cuts corners using SHITTY ass metals/internals. These turbos FAIL with flying colors if you ask me. Z 170 dollar turbo gonna get me into 12's and be reliable for years to come! YEA RIGHT.

 

[Nicks2319]

Is it that god damn hard to understand why these turbos are garbage????? China copys turbos, then cuts corners using SHITTY ass metals/internals. These turbos FAIL with flying colors if you ask me. Z 170 dollar turbo gonna get me into 12's and be reliable for years to come! YEA RIGHT.

Wow. You sound like my grandpa making fun of import cars. THEM GOSH DERN RICEBURNERS AND THEIR CHINESE METAL. Ha. Let me guess, you're the kind of person that thinks that all of their products are made in America, right?

 

[kottyking]

No I understand that not all products are made in america. But guess what, I do SUPPORT products that are and always try to buy american made products. There are things made from different countrys that are great/ better just not from CHINA/ TAIWAIN. Once again I dont think you understand what is going on here. China takes products, examines them, steals the design, then uses inferior products to make that stolen design. Do you not understand that????

 

[Nicks2319]

No I understand that not all products are made in america. But guess what, I do SUPPORT products that are and always try to buy american made products. There are things made from different countrys that are great/ better just not from CHINA/ TAIWAIN. Once again I dont think you understand what is going on here. China takes products, examines them, steals the design, then uses inferior products to make that stolen design. Do you not understand that????

The debate is not whether these companies are ripping off designs, but whether or not the drop in quality is worth the money saved.

jusmx141 says that he see's these things die all the time, and I believe him, but for half the price, is it worth the risk? I've seen this go both ways dozens of times right here on tooners, some people put out 300+ horsepower and get good numbers out of them, and some people have them fall apart. But to say all ebay turbos are junk is just ignorant, because some people do have luck with them.

 

[kottyking]

Of course the drop in quality isnt worth it. They are using inferior metals for a turbo. That shit gets hot/ spins at hight rpm its not a part you wanna SKIMP. You know why authentic MHI turbos use the parts they do?Cause they are built to last. Whats the point in buying a product if it isn't gonna last???? Is it worth buying 3 times or having rebuilt when you couldve bought an authentic MHI for that price? I'm sorry but a 179 dollar turbo, you can't expect much out of. I'm sure youve heard of the phrase too good to be true. Im not gonna sit hear and tweak your nipples and get into it with you.

 

[Nicks2319]

Of course the drop in quality isnt worth it. They are using inferior metals for a turbo. That shit gets hot/ spins at hight rpm its not a part you wanna SKIMP. You know why authentic MHI turbos use the parts they do?Cause they are built to last. Whats the point in buying a product if it isn't gonna last???? Is it worth buying 3 times or having rebuilt when you couldve bought an authentic MHI for that price? I'm sorry but a 179 dollar turbo, you can't expect much out of. I'm sure youve heard of the phrase too good to be true. Im not gonna sit hear and tweak your nipples and get into it with you.

Well some people see it as justified. It's the same reason alot of us will buy NGK plugs over Iridium, or the reason you bought a DSM instead of a Porsche. We all know the MHI turbos are better quality, but for 50% of the cost, the ebay special starts to look good.

 

[kottyking]

But it doesnt look good to me because its gonna fail on me after i abuse it. Im not gonna spend my money on parts that fail, just because they are cheaper. That doesnt justify anything for me. If you like to buy crappy stuff because its cheaper by all means be my guest. I'm just putting the facts out there. Im done now, go troll on some other forum.

 

[JusMX141]

You say that as if mitsu oem turbo's never need rebuilt.

They don't if they're well cared for.

If you've killed a Mitsu turbo, something's probably wrong with your car (metal in the oil) or you listened to someone who told you to run your oil supply line to the filter housing.

Most 14B's reached well into the 100k's before ever needing rebuilt or replaced. This is a test that even T25's couldn't even withstand due to their weak thrust plate design.

If you want to go a step further, I'd say 80%-90% of the Mitsu turbos I rebuild are sent to me because they were burning oil on the hotside due to a tired-out turbine seal or overpressurized oil supply. Most of the time they don't even have shaft play in any direction, which is more than I can say for most of the Garrett T3 and T3 copies (Kinetic, Turbonetics, Precision) that are on the market today.

 

[Nicks2319]

after i abuse it.

Key phrase right there.

go troll on some other forum.

Right, since intelligent discussion is trolling.

 

[kottyking]

This is my point MHI's are built to last. China McChinamans are not. They are built for cheap bastards that like to buy the same thing over and over. Whats so hard to understand when you have to buy the same product 2-3 times because its a PILE, how is that saving you money? Sure it lasted 6,000 miles for 1 guy out of 100. If I'm looking at a product and only a handful of hundreds are getting good results, I'm not gonna buy that product plain and simple.

 

[kottyking]

Key phrase right there.


Abuse it meaning "boost it".

 

[Nicks2319]

or you listened to someone who told you to run your oil supply line to the filter housing.

This is interesting. Are you saying that tapping off the OFH can cause premature turbo failure? I know RRE and many others sell the kits to do just that.

 

[JusMX141]

This is interesting. Are you saying that tapping off the OFH can cause premature turbo failure? I know RRE and many others sell the kits to do just that.

Good for them. They're creating more business for themselves.