t04b(v-trim) Bolt on Discussion

[1993eclipseGS]

I have my turbo timer set for 30seconds. The only time I let it cool any longer is after I drove really far, And was boosting most of the way.. Or raced the car/drove it hard.

 

[RavenX]

i normally don't recommend more than 30seconds unless you were boosting like a maniac.

*raises hand* that can be me sometimes

 

[m1nd64m3]

why no more than 30 seconds?

 

[1029TSG]

More information and pictures to follow

http://www.bullseye-power.com/product_info.php?products_id=70

 

[RavenX]

Dave do you have any Oil Drain Kits left? I also need the mitsubishi inlet gasket and the outlet gasket. Am ready to order all of my parts ($1800 worth) to get the 6bolt on the road by next week and so i need to order these by friday. Let me know you have my email

Jay

 

[1029TSG]

The feeds came in today and the drains will be back in stock by Friday. We have plenty of gaskets, give me a call.

 

[sweet97]

Are the bullseye turbine inlet gaskets compatible with the turbine on my GP RS49? I have the compsite Bullseye outlet gasket and like it's thickness. I have had my turbine glowing orange after some hard runs and the AGP copper gasket simply disintrigrated. Since I mentioned it I have had thrbines glowing on other cars but with my Talon I have a wideband A/F meter and I run rich so I was wondering if this glowing was normal? I will do a search or post the question but will appreciate any feedback here. Thanks, mark

 

[1029TSG]

The AGP housing is a Bullseye housing so the gasket is a perfect match. Yes, its normal for manifolds and turbine housings to glow even at normal operating temps (EGT).

 

[nazthug]

UPDATE:

Today i finished my friends mopar stage 3 install on his srt4, along with an intake, exhuast.

It makes about 22psi spike, and settles at about 20psi on pump gas setting. Also has a mopar clutch, very impressive power, especially spoolup, keep this in mind.

I did my clutch this weekend and already broke it in.

I am running 18psi spike, and it bleeds to about 16psi by redline(still on 550's) I NEED THE HIGH PSI ACTUATOR dave :laugh:

We did some runs from a roll, it was interesting. His turbo spools soooo damn fast and early, its almost impossible to keep up off the line. He would jump about 1/2 car starting in 2nd. By the end of third he pulls another 1 car or so, to a max of about 1.5-2 cars.

He has HUGE torque and instant spool, i drove it and its a dangerous car to race, because of the power coming on so fast, they jump out and keep pulling to redline, very impressive kit. Most people with those on pump gas setting make about 320-335whp and even more torque(2.4L)

I was happy with the results with me only running 16-18psi on pump and pulling timing with my dsmlink, and a/f in the mid 10's

This week im putting in my 750s and tuning it for about 18-20psi after i get a new actuator from bullseye.

We are both dynoing this weekend

I'll keep you guys updated on the results

BUT, that mopar stage 3 is scary, HUGE topend without ANY lag, full boost by like 2500rpm AND no huge traction issues in 1st and 2nd because the ECU is controlling boost to the threshhold of traction, so its JUST RIGHT, awesome

 

[sweet97]

The AGP housing is a Bullseye housing so the gasket is a perfect match. Yes, its normal for manifolds and turbine housings to glow even at normal operating temps (EGT).

I knew it was a Bullseye housing, a VERY BEEFY housing and the best part of my 50 trim! In the description of the outlet gasket it says it is compatible with the Bullseye turbine but the description of the inlet gasket does not metion that. Hence the question. Thanks, i'll order a couple today. Mark

 

[MaNGiNa24]

UPDATE:

Today i finished my friends mopar stage 3 install on his srt4, along with an intake, exhuast.

It makes about 22psi spike, and settles at about 20psi on pump gas setting. Also has a mopar clutch, very impressive power, especially spoolup, keep this in mind.

I did my clutch this weekend and already broke it in.

I am running 18psi spike, and it bleeds to about 16psi by redline(still on 550's) I NEED THE HIGH PSI ACTUATOR dave :laugh:

We did some runs from a roll, it was interesting. His turbo spools soooo damn fast and early, its almost impossible to keep up off the line. He would jump about 1/2 car starting in 2nd. By the end of third he pulls another 1 car or so, to a max of about 1.5-2 cars.

He has HUGE torque and instant spool, i drove it and its a dangerous car to race, because of the power coming on so fast, they jump out and keep pulling to redline, very impressive kit. Most people with those on pump gas setting make about 320-335whp and even more torque(2.4L)

I was happy with the results with me only running 16-18psi on pump and pulling timing with my dsmlink, and a/f in the mid 10's

This week im putting in my 750s and tuning it for about 18-20psi after i get a new actuator from bullseye.

We are both dynoing this weekend

I'll keep you guys updated on the results

BUT, that mopar stage 3 is scary, HUGE topend without ANY lag, full boost by like 2500rpm AND no huge traction issues in 1st and 2nd because the ECU is controlling boost to the threshhold of traction, so its JUST RIGHT, awesome

Make sure to take into consideration the fact that he has a 2.4 liter motor and you are only running a 2.0. That will have a major effect on spool up as well as low end torque.

 

[daren_p]

Maybe this will be hard to answer since I think most of you haven't gotten any hard numbers yet. But how much of an "upgrade" is the to4b v trim over the evoIII16g? Would you say it is as much of an upgrade over the evo as the evo is over the stock t25?

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

Both have put down 400fwhp at 20 PSI, and I doubt it'll be a night and day difference if you already have an EVO III. Granted, you may pick up a lot of power, but similar numbers can be had with either turbo. I would like to see someone run this thing higher up and get some more numbers.

 

[joeracer321]

The V-trim has far more potential than even the best 16G you can find. A 16G will not flow more than 38 lb/min. Where as the V-trim will easily flow 48 lb/min, that is a large difference. And with the Bullseye housing, the spool will be very similiar to the 16g. And you will not have the creep issues either.

 

[IPT]

400whp on an EVOIII 16G has MAXED out that turbo. The dyno that I have seen for the Vtrim was 401whp and that was with a stock motor and just the usual bolt-ons.

To put down 400hp at the wheels on a EVO III 16G takes almost every mod that you can think of to accomplish.

More people will have an EASIER time making 400WHP on the Vtrim than the EVOIII 16G


Just my $.02

 

[daren_p]

The V-trim has far more potential than even the best 16G you can find. A 16G will not flow more than 38 lb/min. Where as the V-trim will easily flow 48 lb/min, that is a large difference. And with the Bullseye housing, the spool will be very similiar to the 16g. And you will not have the creep issues either.

Not tryin to be rude, but do you have any personal experience with this turbo? I know people that have made 42 lb/min with the EVOIII, some have logged as high as 44?

 

[doug]

And with the Bullseye housing, the spool will be very similiar to the 16g.

Hmm, I find that hard to believe. Most people in this thread have reported full spool at like 3800-4000. That's nowhere near any 16G, at least from what I've experienced and read about.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

The V-trim has far more potential than even the best 16G you can find. A 16G will not flow more than 38 lb/min. Where as the V-trim will easily flow 48 lb/min, that is a large difference. And with the Bullseye housing, the spool will be very similiar to the 16g. And you will not have the creep issues either.

If my memory serves me right, many people were showing higher numbers than that via DSMLink. I can't remember exact numbers, but I want to say mid 40's? Maybe someone with personal experience can throw up an exact number.

Yes, I don't think that EVO had a lot more in it. However, both cars had similar setups - cams, fuel, cooling, etc.. I can't remember if Slowboy had upped compression in that car, but if not, both cars were on similar setups, "built" or not.

I just wish I could get my FMIC, so I could get this car together and have Dave pay for my dyno time

Edit : Haha, I started typing this almost 10 minutes ago and got side tracked, which is why I have "personal experience" thing written about the EVO III.

Later,

 

[1029TSG]

Just the facts man, just the facts.

"Small" 16G Compressor inducer 1.83" exducer 2.36"
"Large" 16G Compressor inducer 1.89" exducer 2.68"

"V-trim" T04B Compressor inducer 2.15" exducer 2.76"

The compressor housing is larger in overall diameter and on the inlet and outlet.

 

[1029TSG]

Hey Coup,

If you only knew how that money if just burning a hole in my pocket.

 

[RavenX]

Both have put down 400fwhp at 20 PSI, and I doubt it'll be a night and day difference if you already have an EVO III. Granted, you may pick up a lot of power, but similar numbers can be had with either turbo. I would like to see someone run this thing higher up and get some more numbers.

Sorry theres no way a EvoIII will make 400whp at 20psi. The only people that have made 400 on the evo was slowboy and that was race gas and maxing the turbo out completey which is probably 26psi spiking to 28-30.

 

[RavenX]

Not tryin to be rude, but do you have any personal experience with this turbo? I know people that have made 42 lb/min with the EVOIII, some have logged as high as 44?

Unless your running race gas and 23psi or more theres no way you will see 42-44lb/min with the evo. The only person i have heard to run 44lb/min was Shapegsx

 

[daren_p]

Unless your running race gas and 23psi or more theres no way you will see 42-44lb/min with the evo. The only person i have heard to run 44lb/min was Shapegsx

Yes, that may be. Im just trying to get a comparison to see if it is worth spending $400 or so to sell my not yet installed EVO turbo & get one of these. The only flow numbers from this post for the to4b vtrim I remember were around 30lb/min @ 15 psi. Are people actually gettin the 48lb/min that this is supposed to flow? I'd just like some "hard data", don't want to go spending all that money to find out ya it is better (which I do figure its better) but not all that much. Thats why I was wondering about comparing the t04b vs evo compared to the evo vs t25, is it that much of a gain?

 

[RavenX]

Yes, that may be. Im just trying to get a comparison to see if it is worth spending $400 or so to sell my not yet installed EVO turbo & get one of these. The only flow numbers from this post for the to4b vtrim I remember were around 30lb/min @ 15 psi. Are people actually gettin the 48lb/min that this is supposed to flow? I'd just like some "hard data", don't want to go spending all that money to find out ya it is better (which I do figure its better) but not all that much. Thats why I was wondering about comparing the t04b vs evo compared to the evo vs t25, is it that much of a gain?

Personally yes, it is that much of a gain because i have owned EvoIII and t25 and now am on the to4b. Just wait a week or 2 after i finish my car i'll post some hard facts and numbers for everyones enjoyment unless someone else does

Jay

 

[joeracer321]

Do you know that you can get a internally gated V-trim for less than most places charge for a ported, clipped, and enlarged waste gated 16G. Then for you 2g guys don't forget about the install kit. When you clip the 16G you kill the spool of that turbo, so why bother? I can't even believe we are having an argument trying to compare the 16G to the V-trim.