t04b(v-trim) Bolt on Discussion

[nazthug]

well got all my stuff, will take pics before install and after, and then a small review(my new 750s arent here yet, so it will be tuned via dsmlink and 550cc/190 pump for now) but it should still be fun


BTW, i got JR's fmic piping for the fmic i already had from him, powdercoated black, it looks very nice, and so does the black dejon 3" intake pipe


Im excited, tomorow is going to be a busy day, i just hope it all works out

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

well got all my stuff, will take pics before install and after, and then a small review(my new 750s arent here yet, so it will be tuned via dsmlink and 550cc/190 pump for now) but it should still be fun


BTW, i got JR's fmic piping for the fmic i already had from him, powdercoated black, it looks very nice, and so does the black dejon 3" intake pipe


Im excited, tomorow is going to be a busy day, i just hope it all works out

can't wait to see how things go for you man. make sure to keep me updated.

 

[rsunahar]

I just wanted to chime in about my own experiences with the turbine housing.
ALthough I have the 60trim version, I can say that spool time is pretty good. I have full spool 19psi by about 38-3900, which I think is only a couple hundred rpm away from my stock 14b.

So to relate to this thread, if my to4E spools in the acceptable range, than the to4b will be pretty nice spooling.


Like 1993EclipseGS, I don't feel much of a difference below 15psi. But after, the car seems to take on another personality.

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[1029TSG]

Thanks for the feedback, I just posted your picture on our website at

http://pictures.bullseyepower.com

You can also catch some cool videos of some BIG turbos on our video section at the bottom

http://videos.bullseyepower.com

 

[jpbrazill]

I just tried out my buddies 2nd gen with the Evo 3 16g...its fast...but not like a t04b or anything. With your supporting mods, Id say your safe for the t04b with tuning.

 

[MaroonclipseGST]

Just received my T04B in the mail. I have all my fuel stuff here and now I just have to wait for enough money to buy a clutch and install on that, and like another 200 after that so i can get it dyno tuned, and itll be all gravy.

 

[1029TSG]

That's a good looking turbo if I dont say so myself.

 

[nazthug]

yea, the turbo looks very nice, the turbine housing is awesome, and the wheel in there is big, bigger then i thought, i like it

Its all put together very nicely, the oil return looks dope, i'll see how it bolts up tonight

THe piping is all on already and fits and looks great, i like black

 

[fwdsal]

cant wait till thursday to order my to4e,how long will it take to get shipped

 

[Blktsi_awd_961]

Has anybody got the t04b-h3 turbo installed. I was looking at this as an alternative to the slowboy gt-12 turbo. Prices would be similar after adding the internal gate and the warrenty to the t04b. How is the spool up, what power levels is this turbo best for? I'm looking for solid 11 sec quater mile runs, but also able to drive it on the street.

 

[ndilo21]

I just went through all 19 pages of this forum and it looks like I will be purchasing a t04b. I have a few questions tho still.

What are the pro's and con's of the internal/external wastegate for this turbo?

What are the prices looking like for that carbon fiber cover?

Is there a significant performance increase with a blow thru application using a gm maf and maf translator? I have read some threads about it but I was wondering if anyone has seen the differences with this specific turbo? I am running a s-afc II so would the performance gains be worth all the money?

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Internal gate would be cheaper

Blowthrough allow's you to vent to the atmosphere with no problems, And also leaves the intake tract clear of any restriction. If you already have an safc, I dont think you would also need the translator, Unless you want to vent your blow off valve to the atmosphere, And not have anything restricting the intake path.

What do you mean, " I was wondering if anyone has seen the differences with this specific turbo? "

It's a good turbo, It's not much more then a 16g, And you will have ''room to grow''. I learned the hard way and bought a s16g then a b16g, Then finally this. Wish I would have got this in the first place.

 

[nazthug]

a few minor problems:

The drain kit seems to just not fit up, its like too long and doesnt bend enough to fit, it hangs too low, i am afraid if i take it apart and cut the hose, it will become too short to bend, which it still has to do..???

Also, the fitting for the oil feed, at the end, does not screw into the turbo, its too big, it wont fit...which size do i need to buy tomorow at the hardware store? What size is the inlet thread for the turbo feed on the turbo center section?

Also, the fitting to the turbo drain that bolts to the drain kit, is the old one, i didnt get the new one, its thick, i had to grind a spot away to clear the compressor bolt, not too bad

I am mostly worried about the oil drain pipe since it doesnt look like its going to fit really well

If you can tell me which fitting to the turbo(mine is too thick) that would help alot as well

Other than that, the turbo fits, the actuator arm fits even with the SBR manifold, just had to slightly trim a bit of the fan shroud to clear the actuator completely, no biggy


But, what should i do about the oil return and what size fitting do i need to fit the center section???? im a bit frustrated since its the only thing keeping me from having a running car and i need it to run



On the bright side, JR's IC piping kit fit up perfectly

 

[cookmaster30]

Internal gate would be cheaper

Blowthrough allow's you to vent to the atmosphere with no problems, And also leaves the intake tract clear of any restriction. If you already have an safc, I dont think you would also need the translator, Unless you want to vent your blow off valve to the atmosphere, And not have anything restricting the intake path.

What do you mean, " I was wondering if anyone has seen the differences with this specific turbo? "

It's a good turbo, It's not much more then a 16g, And you will have ''room to grow''. I learned the hard way and bought a s16g then a b16g, Then finally this. Wish I would have got this in the first place.

the maf translator is definatly needed. the maft is what translates the signal from gm style to the karman signal which our cars use. and if he is just talking about buying a tubo an internally gated turbo is more expensive. just my 2 cents. but yeah i think i am going to buy a t4ob also or maybe a to4e. i can't make up my damn mind. probably whatever i feel like next week

 

[1993eclipseGS]

nazthug : I also had the fitment issue with the oil return line. It's really bulky, I'm not sure if you got the same one as I did though? I got the line, the two rectangle blocks with bolts, And a gold fitting to kind of make it turn a bit. It was a very hard fit, And my oil return line is a bit cramped.. It hasent caused any problems though. I also had the problem with the compressor bolt hitting off of the fitting, I just took the bolt out, I was not going to mess around with it anymore that day I needed it done and did not want to start a project grinding stuff down.

cookmaster30: I think I read the post about the translator wrong, I thought he meant does he need a translator/3" mafs if he already has an safc.. If you are planning on getting the 3" mafs.. You definatly need the translator to go along with it.

 

[1029TSG]

I'm going to see if I can get Nick to chime in here about the new oil kits.

 

[IPT]

On my 2G, the oil drain line it was a tight fit to get in, but once the line is installed it will relax because of the three swivel fittings that are built into the line. It will find its own position.

1993eclipseGS I am guessing that you got the 1G kit. It had the 45 degree fitting to help clear the motor mount. The 2Gs do not have that problem.

nazthug if you got a water cooled center section then you need a 1/4" flare fitting to 1/8" NPT which can be found at NAPAs or really any other auto parts store.

 

[nazthug]

no water, just oil

The little brass fitting that screws into the oil line at the end is too wide to fit into the top of the center section for the feed, i need a smaller fitting

My oil line wont even fit if i bend it, its just too long, if i tried to bend it enough, it cramps up so much it totally blocks off oil flow i think

I was thinking about cutting it shorter, but i dont know if that will work either

david, can you tell me how long the hose is on the new oil return kits, just so i can measure mine and see if mine is the old one? (the flexible, braided part)

thanks

 

[1029TSG]

I'm certain you have the new kit, we were out of the old ones a week or two before you ordered yours. Try installing the oil drain and like Nick mentioned, let it relax and keep the fittings loose for a bit before tightening them. I'm not sure why you would not have the 1/4" NPT if its a non-watercooled center section. There's two fittings with the oil feed kit, one is for the oil filter housing, have you tried both. If so, try an 1/8" NPT to -4 at an auto parts or home improvement store.

 

[nazthug]

yeah the one for the oil filter housing, the bigger one, is fine, no problem

its the little one on top that screws into the turbo center section, thats too wide...weird...seems like i got the 1/2 or 3/8 fitting, not the 1/4

Well i'll try the return line, but it just doesnt look like its gonna fit, its way longer than it seems that it should be, i tried kinking the line, even that wasnt working, but i will try again today


Maybe i got one of the older one still because the flanges arent the thinner ones taht clear the compressor bolts

 

[1029TSG]

Well, if all else fails just slot the stock 2g T-25 drain and get yourself back on the road for now. Then we can take some time to sort out what happened on your car. Is there something different about the 99 model and all other 2g's?

 

[nazthug]

UPDATE

Ok, the oil return fits better, only after i found out it came with the flanges on the wrong ends

(the flange to the pan was on the straight side, the turbine flange was on the 45* blue fitting) i reversed this and it fits MUCH better ( what was happening before is that the 45* fitting on top was angling the drain too much into the pan and i had to twist it 2 ways to even come close, now it comes straight downn out of the turbo, and i just have to slightly bend the hose and it fits right up...im much happier now)

Im glad, now just gotta get the feed fitting and im set

I am crossing my fingers and hopefully the return wont leak after all the manhandling i've been doing with it

Should be done tonight

 

[1029TSG]

Cool, you had me worried.

 

[slowpokin699]

Has anybody got the t04b-h3 turbo installed. I was looking at this as an alternative to the slowboy gt-12 turbo. Prices would be similar after adding the internal gate and the warrenty to the t04b. How is the spool up, what power levels is this turbo best for? I'm looking for solid 11 sec quater mile runs, but also able to drive it on the street.

I have this turbo installrd on my freshly rebuilt motor, look at my profile for mods. I can't tell you what the full potential of this turbo is on my setup because I've only been able to drive the car once but the thing was fast and had pretty quick spool for the size of the turbo, reminded me of a big 16g. Like I said I was only able to drive the car once so far because my brake calipers froze up from sitting dormant so long but I can tell that this thing could make a lot more power than it was with better tuning with my setup. And I was only running 11-14 or so psi.

 

[nazthug]

good news is that the compressor fits just perfectly, i was so happy, and get the SBR manifold guys, it pushes it out slightly so it clears the water pipes even better and if you have a 3" inlet, it also lets it clear the radiator hose, not to mention its a sweeet piece, and it is even tapped for egt with a plug, so if i ever wanted egt, it would just bolt right in

The gaskets from bullseye are very nice, much nicer then the metal ones most people offer and the craftsmanship on the wastegate setup is very impressive.

I will be tuning it tonight as much as i can on my current 550cc's with pump, im just hoping nothing leaks.

Clutch goes in next week, i am getting the southbend clutch, i've heard good things about it, along with 750s and 22psi on race gas dynoes for you guys