Swaping turbos

[dsmer1994]

Okay So I have an hx-30 with shaftplay and I was originally going to swap it out for a big 16g. But I found an hx-35 at a pretty good price. I was wondering which would be easier to install? the hx-35 or the big 16g. I wasnt sure if I needed a new manifold, oil lines ect for the 35 or not. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. The swap will be done in a 1996 eagle talon tsi.

 

[agentorange313]

it would help if you filled out your profile.

They are two different types of turbos. Since the 16g is a mitsu turbo it should bolt on farely easy to your sock manifold.

If you have the holset turbo its really easy to see how it will attach itself to the manifold compared to the mitsu 16g.

Since you said you have a holset, its all dependent on the turbine housing that is used. If it a mitsu flange, then to bolt the 16g on is easy. You would need to get some coolant feed and return lines for the 16g but that's about it. If the car is a stock 96 then you need new oil lines for the turbo. The ones for the t-25 do not fit on the 16g or holset.

You should first look at what manifold you have and see if you can bolt both turbos on.

 

[dsmer1994]

Its the t3 tubular manifold. And from what i kinda figured out on my own it should be about the same amount of work considering ill have to buy and add a new intake. and will still have to practically disassemble the majority of the same parts. If I am wrong please correct me.

 

[JusMX141]

Okay So I have an hx-30 with shaftplay and I was originally going to swap it out for a big 16g. But I found an hx-35 at a pretty good price. I was wondering which would be easier to install? the hx-35 or the big 16g.

The cheapest and easiest option is to rebuild the HX30.

 

[VTEC_THIS]

The cheapest and easiest option is to rebuild the HX30.

Unless he's concerned with down time and needs to get his car running soon because it's his daily driver.

If you already have the Holset installed on your car I believe you should be able to just swap the turbine housing from the HX30 to the HX35. If you change over to a 16G turbo you'll have to change your exhaust manifold and O2 housing back to Mitsu flange as well.

If it was me, I'd buy the HX35 and send the HX30 to Justin for rebuild and use the HX30 for a spare or resell it to make up the cost of the HX35. That way your car isn't down for so long. If time isn't an issue for you though I'd just send it in for a rebuild.

 

[JusMX141]

If you already have the Holset installed on your car I believe you should be able to just swap the turbine housing from the HX30 to the HX35.

HX30 and HX35 parts are not interchangeable.

 

[dsmer1994]

Unless he's concerned with down time and needs to get his car running soon because it's his daily driver.

If you already have the Holset installed on your car I believe you should be able to just swap the turbine housing from the HX30 to the HX35. If you change over to a 16G turbo you'll have to change your exhaust manifold and O2 housing back to Mitsu flange as well.

If it was me, I'd buy the HX35 and send the HX30 to Justin for rebuild and use the HX30 for a spare or resell it to make up the cost of the HX35. That way your car isn't down for so long. If time isn't an issue for you though I'd just send it in for a rebuild.

anybody have a link to "justins" page is he pretty fair priced? a few sites are 375 for the rebuild. I already have the big 16g and absolutely everything I need to swap so I coul djust sell that for what I paid. and rebuild the hx30. is the hx30 a stronger turbo than the 16g? I know the 16g would last longer cause it is built for a mitsu.

wow Never mind he posted on the thread haha nvm. on the link

 

[engineerthis87]

exactly what kind of 16g are we talking about here? If its an e316g and you have all the parts already to install it ( exhaust mani, o2, oil lines, coolant lines) then i would say do that. I think most people would tell you e316g is a proven awsome street turbo.

 

[dsmer1994]

exactly what kind of 16g are we talking about here? If its an e316g and you have all the parts already to install it ( exhaust mani, o2, oil lines, coolant lines) then i would say do that. I think most people would tell you e316g is a proven awsome street turbo.

tdo5h big 16g. My buddy said it would last longer. but the hx35 has more power output. and a higher hp capability.

 

[VTEC_THIS]

I would go with the Holset. I'm not seeing how one turbo would last longer just because it's "Mitsu". Unless the 16G is newer and in better condition, there's no logical reason why that turbo would last longer then the HX35.

The only thing that affects the life of the turbo is how well you take care of it - warm up before spool, cool down before shutting the engine off, oil change every 3k miles or so, proper oil flow and return from the turbo.

 

[noV8undrDIShood]

you were just talking to justin man.. jusmx 141

very good prices and amazing work.. i bought a BWs259 off of him and i would have swore it was new when i got it!!

 

[dsmer1994]

I would go with the Holset. I'm not seeing how one turbo would last longer just because it's "Mitsu". Unless the 16G is newer and in better condition, there's no logical reason why that turbo would last longer then the HX35.

The only thing that affects the life of the turbo is how well you take care of it - warm up before spool, cool down before shutting the engine off, oil change every 3k miles or so, proper oil flow and return from the turbo.

the 16g was made for mitsu. and just generally any part that is made for a certain car will last longer than a part made for another? get what im sayin now? I prefer the hx35 aswel I just dont know what id have to swap out to put on the 35 thats the big question.

 

[engineerthis87]

The hx may have a different power level but what are your power goals? If your looking around the 300-350 range, its going to be hard to beat the 16g because of how quick it spools. especially for street use... again just my opinion there. I had a 50-trim t3/t4 on my 97 eclipse years ago... and ill choose the 16g over it all day. But everyone has their own view on which turbo is better.

 

[2slow4utsi]

the 16g was made for mitsu. and just generally any part that is made for a certain car will last longer than a part made for another? get what im sayin now? I prefer the hx35 aswel I just dont know what id have to swap out to put on the 35 thats the big question.

Justin sold me an HX-40 7/10 blade combo fully rebuilt, balanced and shipped for $400 with the fittings and gasket. I would have Justin rebuild whatever you need done. I left out that he actually found the turbo I was looking for and then bought it with his own money before I ever sent him a penny. He's a great guy.

 

[VTEC_THIS]

the 16g was made for mitsu. and just generally any part that is made for a certain car will last longer than a part made for another? get what im sayin now?

Sorry, but that's just not true. Think about it for a moment, do you think a turbocharger will last longer on a Mitsubishi just because it was made by Mitsubishi? There's not really any truth to that, it has to do more with the quality (and condition) of the part than whether the car and the part have the same brand label.

An HX35 when properly taken care of should last just as long as a 16G or any other journal bearing turbo of similar quality for that matter.

 

[dsmer1994]

Sorry, but that's just not true. Think about it for a moment, do you think a turbocharger will last longer on a Mitsubishi just because it was made by Mitsubishi? There's not really any truth to that, it has to do more with the quality (and condition) of the part than whether the car and the part have the same brand label.

An HX35 when properly taken care of should last just as long as a 16G or any other journal bearing turbo of similar quality for that matter.

I wont't argue with that. But which would be easier to swap? an hx35 or big 16g?

 

[VTEC_THIS]

It sounds like the 16G would be an easier swap for you, you said you already have a manifold and O2 housing for it right? From what jusmx141 said, you'd need a different turbine housing for the HX35.

 

[JusMX141]

The O.P.'s mod list is a little spotty, so I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this dilemma.

- The Big 16G is a completely direct-fit OEM replacement turbo, using all of your car's turbo hardware like the manifold, o2 housing, oil lines and coolant lines. If you do not have any fuel mods, this is probably your best choice for the quickest spool, best performance at lower boost levels, and OEM reliability.

- The HX30 came on your car. Not many people are running HX30's, but they have a T3-flanged turbine housing so if your car is already set up for a HX30 you may just want to keep it that way for simplicity and not having to purchase additional parts. It's thought the HX30 has similar airflow to a Big 16G, but nobody really installs one because they don't want to spend the time and money required to retrofit an aftermarket turbo that has roughly the same airflow potential as a Big 16G.

- A HX35 is a great turbo because it's very versatile with all of it's housing and compressor combos. The problem here is that all of these combos require a lot of boost to be worthwhile, and running 25+psi requires a great commitment of time, money, and aftermarket parts. I don't think you're anywhere near being ready for a HX35.


It comes down to whether you want to rebuild / replace your HX30 or go for the Big 16G and basically put your turbo system back to stock.

 

[engineerthis87]

The O.P.'s mod list is a little spotty, so I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this dilemma.

- The Big 16G is a completely direct-fit OEM replacement turbo, using all of your car's turbo hardware like the manifold, o2 housing, oil lines and coolant lines. If you do not have any fuel mods, this is probably your best choice for the quickest spool, best performance at lower boost levels, and OEM reliability.

- The HX30 came on your car. Not many people are running HX30's, but they have a T3-flanged turbine housing so if your car is already set up for a HX30 you may just want to keep it that way for simplicity and not having to purchase additional parts. It's thought the HX30 has similar airflow to a Big 16G, but nobody really installs one because they don't want to spend the time and money required to retrofit an aftermarket turbo that has roughly the same airflow potential as a Big 16G.

- A HX35 is a great turbo because it's very versatile with all of it's housing and compressor combos. The problem here is that all of these combos require a lot of boost to be worthwhile, and running 25+psi requires a great commitment of time, money, and aftermarket parts. I don't think you're anywhere near being ready for a HX35.


It comes down to whether you want to rebuild / replace your HX30 or go for the Big 16G and basically put your turbo system back to stock.

very well put my friend