SSAC FMIC performance?

[timloomis]

I like my ssac fmic kit. When hk$ and greedy, I mean greddy get off their billion dollar high horses and start selling the kits for a reasonable price, I'll buy one. Sure a 3 or 3.5" thick core will cool better, but the ssac kit is what, 2.5 maybe 3"? Like what was said before, you have to match the turbo to the intercooler. You can't bias info by saying such and such front mount will beat the stock smic with a 35r. I'm sure the thicker core kits that sbr and buschur makes will work better on a higher horse car. But have a vender on here build a core to the same size as an ebay core and tell me they are better. Some ebay turbos are good too. Some local guys have had them for years and are in the low 12s and high 11's with built honda's and a dsm or 2. For the price, the ssac cannot be beat.

 

[Street_Killer]

So you are calling supporter of this site, the site that hold you at such a high status, a biased liar? Just a little fyi, kiggly posted information that supported DBs findings.

Can you not read, or can do you just not understand why it's irrelevant? It's irrelevant, because of course a ssac fmic won't do good with a 35r at 42psi. What would be relevant is a 16g to a 50 trim, at 15-30psi. Compare the ssac to anything else and it wont be far off.

 

[DGajre777]

Can you not read, or can do you just not understand why it's irrelevant? It's irrelevant, because of course a ssac fmic won't do good with a 35r at 42psi. What would be relevant is a 16g to a 50 trim, at 15-30psi. Compare the ssac to anything else and it wont be far off.

Thank you for getting my point.

 

[tkelly27]

So you are calling supporter of this site, the site that hold you at such a high status, a biased liar? Just a little fyi, kiggly posted information that supported DBs findings.

The information I got from that post is that kiggly ran an 8.9 second quarter mile with an intercooler you're calling a POS. I wonder what you run with your expensive one...

You also didn't respond to my earlier post where the $1000 AMS standard IC heatsoaked to the near 40 degree temp difference that you "sure as hell wouldn't be buying one." The IC you list in your profile is generally considered "standard" sized.



Haha, I think you're all nuts for not running air to water IC's, but that's just me

 

[SBstar]

The information I got from that post is that kiggly ran an 8.9 second quarter mile with an intercooler you're calling a POS. I wonder what you run with your expensive one...

You also didn't respond to my earlier post where the $1000 AMS standard IC heatsoaked to the near 40 degree temp difference that you "sure as hell wouldn't be buying one." The IC you list in your profile is generally considered "standard" sized.



Haha, I think you're all nuts for not running air to water IC's, but that's just me

I'll chime back in here for a minute. As I have been saying all along I want to see people informed about what they're buying/paying for. In the case of the AMS standard IC. That is good info! That is the kind of thing I want to see. When I tell you that you should buy quality I'm not saying that you should spend "X" amount of dollars for an IC from "Y" vendor. I'm saying that if you truly want performance your going to want to know the facts on what you're buying, and not just buy it because it's cheap and it'll work. But maybe you people are wired differently then me and don't really care about true performance. As far as David Buschur being biased, of course he is, why shouldn't he be when he's seen the numbers and seen how poorly they compare. But he has never posted anything but the truth about any products. He pulled his own FMIC, the one he used to think was "the best" when he found out how poorly it performed. Then he posted the numbers on it...I think the problem here is this has turned into an argument...When what needs to be posted are the facts. So far the only facts I've seen are
A. People will spend as little as possible as long as it "works for them"
B. They will defend their decision even if it could be proven it wasn't the best
C. The dsm community doesn't really care to see how well these perform anyways.

 

[DGajre777]

I don't see why this is such a hard point to understand. Comparing the SSAC FMICs to better flowing/bigger intercoolers and then pushing it to 42psi on a GT35 and calling the SSAC crap is baised. Not everyone buys a FMIC and throws a GT35 on their car.

The SSAC is a good FMIC for 50 trim type turbos. The link that I provided showed that the SSAC did not heatsoak and cause knock at 400whp. If anyone has FACTS that compares the SSAC with a FP Green type turbo at 25-30 psi with all these better flowing intercoolers, please post some data.

 

[DSM90AWD]

I'd like to interject a bit of my own personal experience. I was running a "piddly" small 18x6x3.5 Top Bottom core for years and could run 49-50lb-min /24psi on straight pump93. I then swiched to a much larger 24x10.5x3.5 side-side core (both Treadstone / e-bay cores) and had problems knocking at the same airflows/psi.

Doing a little analysis, I found that the the small core though >50% less area was 100% exposed to the cooling airflow, whereas the much larger core was nearly ~50% covered by the modified bumper support/cover.

Simply installing a JNZ aftermarket bumper support and trimming the cover slightly to promote airflow accross the entire core yielded an incredibly large difference in FMIC performance as measured by a 4mph (118-122) increase in my 1/4mile times at the same 25psi level.

So in sum, the largest cores may not necessarily give you the best performance unless you've appropriately accounted for them in your install

 

[dsm-onster]

^^^ Great point. I noticed a difference in just cutting my front bumper on the inside and angling a piece of aluminum to the restof my FMIC that was at the same level as my bumper and hidden from view at the front.





Just to stir the pot a little.

Water/alky injection does better than BOTH intercoolers and a GREAT kit can be had for 300 bones. An Ebay FMIC, which has decently small pressure drop coupled w/ some form of injection can do very much better than a top dollar intercooler, at very high hp levels, for less money. And you have PLENTY of room to grow.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Aah Matt, this is a whole 'nother can of worms. WI can argueably be the best knock deterrant thing we have going for our pump machines. I don't suppose I have much else to add to this thread, since the same point is being proved over and over and over and over again. This year I plan on trying to get 125+mph traps out of my 50 trim, SSAC FMIC, and WI. I don't suppose anyone could argue that the damned intercooler at least works.

 

[timloomis]

How big of difference would it make if I cut my bumper opening? I think "eclipserydazz" (his avatar pic is in the ebay 16g thread) did it with his 1g kit and it doesn't look too bad. But then again, I wont hack it unless it's worth it. Your right though, looks like as much as 50% is covered up.

 

[SBstar]

How big of difference would it make if I cut my bumper opening? I think "eclipserydazz" (his avatar pic is in the ebay 16g thread) did it with his 1g kit and it doesn't look too bad. But then again, I wont hack it unless it's worth it. Your right though, looks like as much as 50% is covered up.

Look back at when Shep was running 8's with his old setup. He didn't have his front bumper hacked. He was using Buschur's old core, which has been proven to not be all that great. Could you get better response by cutting your bumper? Maybe...but unless your cover already looks like crap I would suggest not ruining a good looking car. There are some times when form over function does win out.

 

[pboglio]

I have an ADFX fmic on my 97 GSX. It measures roughly 23"x9.5"x3" of the extruded core type. Width wise I'm not blocking any cooling fins, but height wise I have about 2.5" of the core that could have been blocked. I cut openings in the front blackouts on the 97GSX bumper cover and thru the bumper reinforcement to allow air to flow up and over the intercooler and into the radiator, while still maintaining a good portion of the bumper reinforcement intact. Very much looks like the older EVO I/C bumper cutouts.

My personal opinion is that on the 1g DSMs, the worst thing from an aesthetic standpoint is to hack thru the front bumper to open up the I.C. Every time I see it done it makes me cringe. What makes it look 10x worse is guys who run the i/c crossover pipe exposed when they do cutout the bumper, that by far just looks really nasty in a bad way.

I'm not in front of a 1g right now, but couldn't you just cut a portion of the bumper underneath the license plate mounting bracket. From the front it would be invisible, from below it opens up an air path to pass air thru the core.

 

[timloomis]

My front bumper cover is in good shape, thats one reason I dont wanna hack it up. But it does have that big crossover pipe right in front of the ic. I've read some people on here open it up like you said and put some sort of air foil underneath to route air in.

 

[dsm-onster]

My front bumper cover is in good shape, thats one reason I dont wanna hack it up. But it does have that big crossover pipe right in front of the ic. I've read some people on here open it up like you said and put some sort of air foil underneath to route air in.

All that is neccesary is ducting. The opening can be much smaller than the area of the intercooler (see Maximum Boost). Having ducting w/ minimal or zero bends is crutial. Having ducting that opens up to the entire area of the intercooler is crutial. Having the shortest route ducting crutial. Those that have hacked their bumper and and skin likely see no more gain in efficiency than proper, ideal ducting.

This is what I've done. It seamsto have worked excellently w/ my ebay FMIC and whipping on my small16g (over 20 psi w/ pump gas):

 

[turbosax2]

Finally have some data for the SSAC fmic! This is a log I took with my brothers car (snowborder714). His mod list is up to date.

*Notes:
- An AEM IAT sensor is being used. It is mounted in the throttle body elbow about 4" from the flange.
- I only have this one log for now. More to come later.
- The ambient temperature was in the 30's or 40's.
- The car is running about 8 psi (stock injectors ).
- I only revved the car to 5400 rpm's.
- This was a second gear pull.

The intake temperatures can be viewed under "GMIAT".

The intake temperatures did not act at all like we expected. We thought the temperatures should go up as the rpm's increased but the opposite actually happened. After talking with Thomas Dorris, we verified the AEM IAT sensor is identical to a GM IAT sensor so logging it under GMIAT through DSMlink is fine. Thomas thinks that the sensor is reading how it should. Interesting.

I know this probably won't help much, if at all, but I thought I would post it up for everyone to see. Like I said, we will have more logs to come in the future once my brother gets a few more mods and we start tuning.

 

[dsm-onster]

Finally have some data for the SSAC fmic! This is a log I took with my brothers car (snowborder714). His mod list is up to date.

*Notes:
- An AEM IAT sensor is being used. It is mounted in the throttle body elbow about 4" from the flange.
- I only have this one log for now. More to come later.
- The ambient temperature was in the 30's or 40's.
- The car is running about 8 psi (stock injectors ).
- I only revved the car to 5400 rpm's.
- This was a second gear pull.

The intake temperatures can be viewed under "GMIAT".

The intake temperatures did not act at all like we expected. We thought the temperatures should go up as the rpm's increased but the opposite actually happened. After talking with Thomas Dorris, we verified the AEM IAT sensor is identical to a GM IAT sensor so logging it under GMIAT through DSMlink is fine. Thomas thinks that the sensor is reading how it should. Interesting.

I know this probably won't help much, if at all, but I thought I would post it up for everyone to see. Like I said, we will have more logs to come in the future once my brother gets a few more mods and we start tuning.

An intercooler with over 100% efficiency? Well, the ambient temp is significanly below intake temp. You need a better cold air intake .

 

[turbosax2]

An intercooler with over 100% efficiency? Well, the ambient temp is significanly below intake temp. You need a better cold air intake .

After talking more with Thomas Dorris he thinks the sensor is acting normally. I think the temperature drops just because it was an extremely short pull and we are running only 8 psi.

Q. So you think there is nothing wrong with it and that DSMlink is logging it correctly?

A. Yeah, based on what you've done and tested, it appears to just be what
it is.

For reference and comparison, I've attached a log from a local guy
running the same sensor (well, the actual GM sensor). The temperature
seems to drop initially, but then it clips just a bit as he stays in the
pull. But that's a pretty long pull.

I have attached the log he sent to us.

Ducting for the intake will come - give it time, give it time. Once the weather gets nicer in the spring, we'll see how bad it really is.

 

[SBstar]

I can't seem to find the value to add on dsmlink...What value do I need to select? Thanks for posting this!

 

[turbosax2]

I can't seem to find the value to add on dsmlink...What value do I need to select? Thanks for posting this!

"GMIAT" is the value to select.

 

[SBstar]

"GMIAT" is the value to select.

Hmmm it should be under Display, then values correct? I'm not finding anything listed as GMIAT?

 

[turbosax2]

Hmmm it should be under Display, then values correct? I'm not finding anything listed as GMIAT?

Ya, that's where it should be. If it's not there, you have to go to "ECU/Logfile" then "Captured Values" and add it to the Values list. I just tried to do this, but apparently you can't access the Captured Values list offline.

I guess you will have to hook your computer up to your car, then go to the Captured Values list and add it. Then once it is added, you should be able to access it in the "Values" list when your offline.

 

[SBstar]

Ya, that's where it should be. If it's not there, you have to go to "ECU/Logfile" then "Captured Values" and add it to the Values list. I just tried to do this, but apparently you can't access the Captured Values list offline.

I kind of figured thats what I would have to do, unfortunately can't even go online anymore as I sold off the dsmlink (just still have the program on the computer). Anyways you could post it in number form in a spreadsheet?

 

[turbosax2]

I kind of figured thats what I would have to do, unfortunately can't even go online anymore as I sold off the dsmlink (just still have the program on the computer). Anyways you could post it in number form in a spreadsheet?

My brother is going to post the values now.

 

[snowborder714]

Ya, that's where it should be. If it's not there, you have to go to "ECU/Logfile" then "Captured Values" and add it to the Values list. I just tried to do this, but apparently you can't access the Captured Values list offline.

That is correct (and you beat me to posting it).

Here's just the values for anyone who doesn't have the GMIAT value or who is too lazy to open it. I just included the 3 values below. The log has a bunch more so if you want something else included, let me know and I'll edit it.

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    <td>1556</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-15.3</td>
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    <td>1595</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-13.1</td>
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    <td>1736</td>
    <td>78</td>
    <td>-11.6</td>
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    <td>1720</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-10.1</td>
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    <td>1619</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>1652</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-8.6</td>
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    <td>1763</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-8.6</td>
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    <td>1772</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-7.8</td>
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    <td>1705</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-7.8</td>
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    <td>1745</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-8.6</td>
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    <td>1806</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-7.8</td>
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    <td>1817</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-7.8</td>
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    <td>1782</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-8.6</td>
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    <td>1821</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-8.6</td>
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    <td>1868</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>1877</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-8.6</td>
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    <td>1871</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>1900</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-8.6</td>
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    <td>1930</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>1943</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>1951</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>1971</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>1995</td>
    <td>77</td>
    <td>-10.1</td>
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    <td>2011</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>2023</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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    <td>2031</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>2058</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-9.3</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>2089</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-8.6</td>
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    <td>2104</td>
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    <td>-5.6</td>
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    <td>2160</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-2.6</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>2183</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-1.1</td>
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    <td>2173</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-1.1</td>
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    <td>2199</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-1.1</td>
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    <td>2267</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>-0.4</td>
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    <td>2296</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>0.2</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>2295</td>
    <td>76</td>
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    <td>2338</td>
    <td>76</td>
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    <td>2399</td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>0.2</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>2415</td>
    <td>75</td>
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    <td>2430</td>
    <td>75</td>
    <td>0.6</td>
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    <td>2485</td>
    <td>75</td>
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    <td>2522</td>
    <td>75</td>
    <td>1.3</td>
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    <td>2548</td>
    <td>74</td>
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    <td>2590</td>
    <td>75</td>
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    <td>2632</td>
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    <td>2661</td>
    <td>74</td>
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    <td>2708</td>
    <td>74</td>
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    <td>2739</td>
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    <td>2824</td>
    <td>74</td>
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    <td>2878</td>
    <td>74</td>
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    <td>74</td>
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    <td>2957</td>
    <td>74</td>
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    <td>3384</td>
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  <tr>
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    <td>5.7</td>
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  <tr>
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  <tr>
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  <tr>
    <td>4148</td>
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    <td>4228</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4315</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4366</td>
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  <tr>
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  <tr>
    <td>4518</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4545</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4630</td>
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    <td>7.2</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4676</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4771</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4808</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4896</td>
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  <tr>
    <td>4941</td>
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  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5081</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>7.5</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5020</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>7.9</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5095</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>8.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5165</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>8.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5289</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>7.9</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5289</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>7.9</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5365</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>8.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5411</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>7.5</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5130</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-3.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>4954</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-12.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>5007</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-21.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>4883</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-24.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>4777</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>4647</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>4562</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>4433</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>4300</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-27.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3952</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-18.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3406</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-2.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3634</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>0.2</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3713</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>0.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3515</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>1.7</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3687</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>2.4</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3669</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>3.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3659</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>3.9</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3735</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>4.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3687</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>5.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3739</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>5.7</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3776</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>6.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3780</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>6.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3830</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>6.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3830</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>5.7</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3838</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>5.0</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3830</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>1.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3780</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-10.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3866</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-16.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3870</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-22.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3799</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3765</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3858</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3866</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3803</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3807</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3811</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3803</td>
    <td>63</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3815</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3776</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-27.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3776</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-27.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3776</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-27.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3784</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-27.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3739</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-27.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3739</td>
    <td>64</td>
    <td>-27.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3728</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-27.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3728</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3739</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3731</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3717</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3720</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3691</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3691</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3698</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3673</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3673</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3662</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3648</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3637</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3662</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3648</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3627</td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3616</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3606</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3575</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3453</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3339</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3189</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>3102</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2946</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2837</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2706</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2583</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-26.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2475</td>
    <td>66</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2404</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2619</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2637</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2574</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2610</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2632</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2608</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2592</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2592</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2586</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-24.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2560</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2584</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2604</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2572</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2574</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2577</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2567</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2570</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2572</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2561</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2560</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-25.1</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2556</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-24.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2549</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-24.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2549</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2576</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2551</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2535</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-24.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2529</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-24.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2544</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-24.3</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2549</td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2535</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2527</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2524</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2513</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2551</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-23.6</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2549</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2532</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2525</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>2513</td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>-22.8</td>
  </tr>
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[SBstar]

I would assume that everything was brought up to temp before this run? Once you get some real injetors go ahead and do this again as well, when it's really producing some heat and can be taken into the upper rpm range.