SplitSecondRacing Project 14b

[BOOZTDSM]

Hey I'm actually in Jackson ,mi also . I have never seen you around . I'm about to finish up my 2g build also . I'm also helping a buddy build a 90 1g . We have garage nights working on the cars if your ever bored

 

[SBstar]

Hey I'm actually in Jackson ,mi also . I have never seen you around . I'm about to finish up my 2g build also . I'm also helping a buddy build a 90 1g . We have garage nights working on the cars if your ever bored

Awesome! I don't get the car out and around town very often, it's not exactly a pleasure to drive for daily activities. Definitely send me a pm or something and we'll see what we can do.

In other news yesterday was a real bummer, my rear drivers side brake line decided it was time to rot and pop a hole. Going go through the whole brake line system now and replace anything that looks questionable. Going to slow down my efforts to make it to the track but I'd rather be safe then sorry.

 

[SBstar]

Well, got to ride on a flatbed again. Blew a brake line, thankfully downshifting slowed me enough and I had enough pressure by pumping the pedal to get the car to stop. So today I picked up 25 feet of NiCopp brake line (Copper Nickel Ferrous Alloy) and borrowed a double flare tool from Autozone. I've heard brake lines can be a real pain, I'll update on how it went.

EDIT:
It sucked! Having done a lot of searching and youtube watching I'm convinced the "loaner" from autozone is a cheap double flare tool. I had a hard time getting good flares and a lot of trial and error went into getting them decent. Fortunately I had enough line to do both rear brake lines. The NiCopp line was very easy to bend even without a tube bender and will never rust or corrode so I'm happy with it. Should be ready for some spirited driving now!

 

[SBstar]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dra...kest-awd-no-nitrous-stock-turbo-run-date.html

11.300 @ 117.16 w/1.42 60'! Not bad for the first outing this year Too bad it'll be tough to get back on the track without a whole lot of safety gear.

 

[SBstar]

Update:

After the track visit I spent some time really going over weight stuff in the car. I scrapped little bits here and there, went back through the wiring harness and removed more, cut out/drilled out little bits of metal, anything small that could go was gone. I don't remember exact numbers but I removed quite a few more lbs.

I also built myself a forward facing ram-air intake setup after doing a little test one with positive results. More info on that can be found here.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dra...race-discussion-thread-139.html#post153284935

Everything seemed good, making decent gains in power, lost a little weight, lost a little of my own weight as well

Last weekend I went up north and took my dad's trailer and turned it into a car hauler. Took alot of work, welding, cutting, etc. But, we turned it into a pretty decent car hauler including a truck style toolbox mounted on the front of it! Used my farther-in-laws truck he's trying to sell to haul our car home on the trailer so we didn't have to drive both cars.

The talon should look good up there. The trailer needs some paint but we'll get there this winter. A little POR-15 will go a long way.

So this week was shootout prep time. Cleaning up the car a little bit, checking things over, boost leak test, shaft play check...

In and out shaft play!

So I desperately started searching for a new turbo or a rebuild opportunity. Lots of people pitched in looking and ultimately Tyler jumped in and offered a quick rebuild. Drove over, pulled it apart and the thrust plate was looking pretty bad. Quick fix and she should be good to go now though!

Putting her back together now and also got a few goodies from a buddy to help out with the weight loss. Carbon fiber hatch (w/glass not lexan) and a jmfab aluminum bumper! His car isn't near completion so we're on loan for the shootout! Can't say I mind saving a few more lbs! The "bumper" will save about 6 and the hatch about 14.

Hoping to put on a good 14b show at the shootout!

 

[SBstar]

The 2013 shootout was a great success for the little 14b car. I had a great time running the car, just wish that I could have been able to watch more racing as well.

The car hasn't changed much other then the addition of a carbon fiber hatch and a velocity stack ram air intake. Boost had to be turned down with the new intake so it started out at 21 psi.

I started off Friday night with a couple passes during the T&T, first pass I botched and missed second gear. The 2nd pass was good for a new personal best of 11.270 @ 119.3. Passed up Dave Womer's awd top mph spot with that pass and really felt like good about the car.

Saturday I had one round of qualifying so I gave the boost controller a half turn and hoped for the best. 22-23 psi on the gauge after that. And the best run of the weekend.

11.146 @ 118.17

Sunday I had alot of personal driving issues, too quick off the clutch on a few passes, too slow on others. I played with tire pressures alot trying to figure out a smooth launch. Ran a pair of 11.4x's, an 11.37, and the best on the day was an 11.236 @ 118.83. Got knocked out in the first round of eliminations by the Abele car running 10.55.

11.14 Video
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ3ni6RUu-0]2013 DSM Shootout 11.146 @ 118.17 - Stock 14b turbo - No Nitrous - 1990 Eagle Talon TSI AWD - YouTube[/ame]

 

[2of9]

Amazing pictures and an amazing car. For a 14b, it's scootin' pretty fast!

How much psi were you running with that day? How was the weather that day?

 

[edub20]

Amazing pictures and an amazing car. For a 14b, it's scootin' pretty fast!

How much psi were you running with that day? How was the weather that day?

I think he said

"Boost had to be turned down with the new intake so it started out at 21 psi".

and

"Saturday I had one round of qualifying so I gave the boost controller a half turn and hoped for the best. 22-23 psi on the gauge after that. And the best run of the weekend."

If you're talking about Saturday..

 

[SBstar]

Evan was correct, boost ended up around 22-23 psi. I think she'll handle being back up at 25 with no problem as well. I'm looking forward to another track visit this year. Get some launch stuff smoothed out, might be able to add that boost back in, and a little more sorting on the tune! Things could get interesting!

 

[1qkfwd]

Things are gonna get very interesting the next month or two. Good Luck Shane!!

 

[SBstar]

Small update. I've been trying to figure out how/when I can get one last track visit in for the year. Unfortunately due to scheduling and available T&T dates it looks like late September or early October.

But, I do have an FP manifold to try out on the car, probably not worth alot but I think it should flow better then the old 2g mani.

I also finally got around to fixing my broken exhaust manifold stud, it was definitely leaking but not significantly.

I'm hoping I can get out there in the cooler "fall" weather and maybe get a little more aggressive with the tune as well.

 

[ALynch]

Just read your whole thread and you're doin work with that 14b! Car looked great at the shootout too. Keep up the good work!

 

[SBstar]

Just read your whole thread and you're doin work with that 14b! Car looked great at the shootout too. Keep up the good work!

Thanks!

I've found some new motivation and it's time to get some work done. I wanted to add a second fan today but unfortunately I can't fit the second fan with my current LICP setup. So I put the new fan, which should be much better flowing then my old no name in. We'll see if it's enough to improve the cooling. If not I may be able to mount the old one as a pusher on the driver side.

I also mounted up the new FP Manifold a friend had sent to me to try out. I like the runner design better then the old 2g manifold, it definitely flows more with the larger runners, and it looks pretty nice in the engine bay too! I really like that the supplied gasket and the outlet are actually the same size as the ported inlet on my 7cm housing as the outlet and gasket on the 2g mani was smaller. Sorry for the crappy washed out cell pics.

Before


After

 

[1SloEvo]

Looks nice Shane!

 

[LaserRS92]

I can't wait to hear some results of you swapping over to that FP Mani!!

 

[1qkfwd]

Thanks!

I've found some new motivation and it's time to get some work done. I wanted to add a second fan today but unfortunately I can't fit the second fan with my current LICP setup. So I put the new fan, which should be much better flowing then my old no name in. We'll see if it's enough to improve the cooling. If not I may be able to mount the old one as a pusher on the driver side.

I also mounted up the new FP Manifold a friend had sent to me to try out. I like the runner design better then the old 2g manifold, it definitely flows more with the larger runners, and it looks pretty nice in the engine bay too! I really like that the supplied gasket and the outlet are actually the same size as the ported inlet on my 7cm housing as the outlet and gasket on the 2g mani was smaller. Sorry for the crappy washed out cell pics.

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To look at that and think it goes low 11s hehe.

The FP is so much nicer looking than the 2G. You gonna get it ceramic coated?? I just had my turbine housing and FP mani last week.

 

[SBstar]

To look at that and think it goes low 11s hehe.

The FP is so much nicer looking than the 2G. You gonna get it ceramic coated?? I just had my turbine housing and FP mani last week.

Well, it's not mine. At least not yet. If I do purchase one, or this one (owner may not end up needing/wanting it), I'll probably get it coated. Right now money is a little tight though.

 

[Phil1320]

Well, it's not mine. At least not yet. If I do purchase one, or this one (owner may not end up needing/wanting it), I'll probably get it coated. Right now money is a little tight though.

Coating it and/or using the blanket can cause some premature cracking, that's the only downfall. I think this is more prevalent in daily driven cars.

 

[SBstar]

Coating it and/or using the blanket can cause some premature cracking, that's the only downfall. I think this is more prevalent in daily driven cars.

Have you seen any FP manifolds actually crack? I was reading a post by FP and they basically said to go ahead and coat it, wrap it, blanket it, whatever it shouldn't crack. I know many other aftermarket cast manifolds were prone to cracking when coated or wrapped though.

 

[1SloEvo]

I have seen one that cracked, but as Phil mentioned, it came off a DD car. It was on there for probably 30k miles or so when it was pulled off and found. The car was on a E3 16g and was just beat on day in and day out. I'm sure that didn't help it.

 

[90tsiawdturbo]

I'm late for work reading this whole build but it's totally worth it ....+1 on the grassroots type man I feel you there! I love this build so much!!! Proves you don't need big turbos or high dollar parts to go fast or have fun

 

[SBstar]

I have seen one that cracked, but as Phil mentioned, it came off a DD car. It was on there for probably 30k miles or so when it was pulled off and found. The car was on a E3 16g and was just beat on day in and day out. I'm sure that didn't help it.

I found a thread with a couple examples of cracked ones, didn't seem to matter if they were coated or not. I think I remember something about a bad batch right around the time they were offering their coatings which they subsequently pulled. For how little I drive this car I think it'll be ok coated. I might talk directly to FP about their experiences before doing it though.

I'm late for work reading this whole build but it's totally worth it ....+1 on the grassroots type man I feel you there! I love this build so much!!! Proves you don't need big turbos or high dollar parts to go fast or have fun

Thanks! I put alot of blood, sweat, and tears into this project! Couldn't have happened without the dsm community who have pitched in along the way either!

 

[Phil1320]

Have you seen any FP manifolds actually crack? I was reading a post by FP and they basically said to go ahead and coat it, wrap it, blanket it, whatever it shouldn't crack. I know many other aftermarket cast manifolds were prone to cracking when coated or wrapped though.

I haven't but have heard of cases. Not saying wrapping/coating doesn't help, my mani is coated, but, let's say I have a solid source that definitely votes against it as it does cause cracks on FP manis.

 

[SBstar]

Might just run a heatshield then. But that adds weight

 

[92AWDHX40]

Might run a heatshield vs coating I called fp and was told it wasn't a good idea to coat them, if I do recall but I think Ill just grab a heatshield I saw a freelancer here and it looked good and was a good price in my mind.