SMIC Info True or False

[DSMunknown]

When I had my Supra SMIC, I loved it. Not only because it was an "upgrade" from the 2G piece-o-shit but because it stayed in line with my stealth look. Some of you know I like to stay stealth. I would have also liked to add in end tank diverters (at least one) into at least the intake of the SMIC. Still in my plans to do this at some point with one intercooler or another, but that's a whole nother topic.

It is also important to properly duct the SMIC/FMIC. An example

BTW, that article is friggin' messy. Need to clean it up one of these days.

 

[LandoAWD]

BTW, that article is friggin' messy. Need to clean it up one of these days.

Hell yes it is.

I had question after question linking to that when I sold my Supra SMIC.

 

[DSMunknown]

Eff me and my rambling nonsense.

 

[907gs-t]

The one i have is the Hahn Racecraft SMIC & according to them it's good to 400HP.Got mine in Awesome shape from Canada for $200.00 shipped.Gotta love the sleeper look no doubt.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Here is an interesting perspective.

I come from the world of turbo Mr2's.. while they are a weird and backward sort of cult, they dont have the option for FMICs, which forces them to get creative. Baiscally you have 4 options in the mr2 world. Bigger SMIC, Water to Air, Meth injection and trunk mount. Yes i said trunk mount. You cut a hole int the floor of the trunk behind the engine and lay a Fmic core flat, then cut a vented hood style hole in the top of the trunk lid and add some fans for good measure... told you they get creative.

Any way as it has already been said air to air intercooling is all about surface area and air flow. big fmic = big surface area and cool charge. but surface area counts in both width and depth
In the mr2 community it is not unheard of to see people rocking 'square' intercoolers. that being ones that are almost as thick as they are wide. and believe it or not they work pretty damn well. And with the added bonus of everyone being able to use stock radiators for pretty big hp because nothing is hogging the air flow.

One thing to note is that almost everyone is useing a puller style fan to move air though the cores constantly. this helps with the heat soak issue if your a drag guy and just keeps temps down on hot days in traffic. while moving the ic gets lots of air in those cars so its not too big of a deal.

Back to DSM's their are a lot of reason people do or dont wanna go FMIC on their cars. I didnt want to because 1 i don't wanna waist the money, 2 my radiator is fine damn it, 3 making all the bends to get to a fmic kills spools and looks retarted, ... i have others but that will suffice. most people want FMIC for less restriction at high Hp and for a cooler charger.

I did a large smic that cools my 20psi of boost. heres what i had to overcome. I replaced the stock smic for one 8.5 inches thick with a 1/2 larger outlet on the top to negate some of the flow issues. i made custom ducting from both the regular intake gill and the fog-light hole to provide air to the intercooler. I the mounted a small puller fan to the back of the intercooler and replaced some of the inner fender well behind the intercooler with mesh to evacuate the hot air. the lower IC pipe is a custom unit i fabed up in about an hr and the upper ic is an off the shelf job.

results.. no heat soak to speak of, great throttle response, especially compared to the stock unit. the car still looks stock and i am still on the stock radiator even at 20psi with no heat issues. I autox this car pretty regularly and took it to 1 track day. I have never seen any amount of heat soak more than a degree or two on the data logger never a double digit increase never over 5 i think... I dont think i could have gotten much better of a result from a FMIC for my application. also in this state it doesn't hurt to look as stock as possible. and it helps when picking on those dam srt4s and mustangs.

I hope this post is helpfull to someone.

pics?

 

[rEclipserGST]

I 2nd the pix.

 

[ian_maham]

I did it slightly different than the way it is shown in that article. I ran straps from the mounting holes in the intercooler to the mounting holes on the car instead of wrapping strap all the way around the intercooler. This made it easier to install and IMO probably more secure. Including cutting the strap and test fitting things it took me about 40 minutes to install it. Recently I pulled it out and put it back in in less than 15 minutes.

The only abnormal tool I used was a tin snips which is pretty standard. If I didn't have one of those I would have just needed to find a way to cut the strap.

FWIW I also have an automatic transmission which gives me less room for ic pipe wrangling so it should be even easier for other people.

Doesn't the smic wiggle around a little bit by just hooking the straps through the mouting holes? I'm guessing the intercooler pipes also keep it in line a bit...

You guys make this sound easier and easier.

There's a guy on my other dsm website offering me a super duper supra smic (SAY THAT FIVE TIMES FAST) and pipes for $90. Does that sound pretty good in your opinions?

Here's a pic of it...

 

[JusMX141]

I'll be pushing the Supra SMIC on my FWD to the limit once the engine is done.

I'm looking at 28-30psi from a TD05H-turbined 18G or TD06-turbined 20G (haven't decided what's going on it for sure) with pump gas (possibly a mixture of race/pump if needed) breathing through a Supra SMIC. The idea isn't really to make the car a drag machine as much as a street sleeper, although I'm looking for a high 11 on the track with the SBR LSD in the trans.

I'm keeping compression at stock levels to combat knock as much as possible, although if I can't offset knock enough to run the boost level I want, Meth Injection will be added.

I will not use a front mount on this car- it defeats the purpose of the "sleeper".

 

[rEclipserGST]

ian_maham - are the pipes for the supra or for your car? Because if they are for the supra, they will not work. But either way, $90 is about what you would pay for the Supra SMIC anyway. So jump on it, otherwise give me his email so I can

jusmx141 - I feel you on the sleeper aspect. Do you have an exhaust on your car? I really want to keep my car as sleeper as possible, but I know that exhaust robs power. It's killing me. I want to do a 20g eventually. But I have to make sure my car can handle this 14b first. Hahaha, can even get a solid 16 psi on my mods right now. Lack of wideband and hard pipes

 

[MrBoxx]

Andy Moraitis was a big supporter of the sidemount. He would never upgrade to a FMIC, and he made gobs of power simply by well-matched upgrades and tuning genius. I forget the numbers, and it has been a while since he has logged in here.

I think a lot of the bullet-points you made are pretty much myths regarding the sidemount.

 

[ian_maham]

ian_maham - are the pipes for the supra or for your car? Because if they are for the supra, they will not work. But either way, $90 is about what you would pay for the Supra SMIC anyway. So jump on it, otherwise give me his email so I can

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Hells no they are not for a supra. I know better than that.

I think a lot of the bullet-points you made are pretty much myths regarding the sidemount.

Figured that, I just wanted to cover my ass just in case.


Well everyone, I think you basically answered all of my questions I had. Thanks! But DON'T stop posting. The more information the merrier! This could be some go info for someone in my shoes a ways down.

Thanks,
Ian

 

[snakeyes711]

subscribing, I got a FMIC, and I'd love to see one of these Hahns SMIC in action. Where can I get my hands on one. I may just take take the FMIC off for one of these.

 

[the_mork]

The pipe hanging off of that doesn't look like anything useful for our cars.

No, it absolutely does not wiggle around one bit with just the straps. They are pulled tights and go in somewhat opposite directions then it sits against the bumper fascia to the front and the rock guard in the back. I used to secure it with zip ties and just the pipes but the zip ties broke fairly quickly and I ran around for months just with the SMIC held by the pipes which was enough but made me a bit nervous and otherwise unhappy about my car not being put together well.

It is easy to put together, now that I've installed one I feel like it would be barely more effort to take a stock SMIC out and put it back in versus taking one out and replacing it, the only difference is the work to flip the tank and cut/drill straps.

 

[DSMunknown]

Wish we pushed this thread to the edge.


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...ra-sidemount-intercoolers-testing-limits.html

 

[the_mork]

This weekend I'll be visiting my parents who have a laptop that has some battery life, does anyone want to see logs under special circumstances? If you want some basic logs I can probably find some older logs which show MAP, MAT, and basics like RPM and load but if you want special circumstance logs tell me what you would like to see and I'll attempt to recreate it. Just let me know what you want logged.

Otherwise some time in the next week or two I'll replace the laptop that was stolen so I can run logs of whatever whenever.

If I get a chance I will try and compare my mechanical boost gauge pre-intercooler with my MAP sensor, it wont be perfectly accurate but I think I can get a rough idea of pressure drop.

 

[JusMX141]

jusmx141 - I feel you on the sleeper aspect. Do you have an exhaust on your car? I really want to keep my car as sleeper as possible, but I know that exhaust robs power. It's killing me. I want to do a 20g eventually. But I have to make sure my car can handle this 14b first. Hahaha, can even get a solid 16 psi on my mods right now. Lack of wideband and hard pipes

Car has a full, turbo-back 3" catless Thermal R&D system. Not stock-sounding for sure, but not loud and raspy by any means.

I really want to use the 18G because it's cut into a 14B compressor cover, but I'm worried about the airflow potential of the TD05H turbine even if I clip it an additional 10*.

The 20G I'm considering is cut into an Evo III 16G cover, which still looks stock to the average 'tard but boasts a TD06 turbine which will appreciate 28-30psi much more than the TD05H.

 

[matthewdesigns]

If I get a chance I will try and compare my mechanical boost gauge pre-intercooler with my MAP sensor, it wont be perfectly accurate but I think I can get a rough idea of pressure drop.

That would be swell. I'm going to borrow a second boost gauge for a rough estimate of my Dejon smic pressure drop. I'll be measuring at the intake manifold (where my in-car boost gauge gets it's signal) and the mbc pressure source, which is about 6" past the compressor outlet. Not perfect placements for a scientific test, but better than nothing.

 

[907gs-t]

Would like to see posts of these results.

 

[the_mork]

I was actually thinking about it and decided that I might try using the MAP sensor in both positions. I need the MAP sensor to run the car but I shouldn't be doing anything dangerous as long as I watch the wideband like a hawk and I go from a low pressure reading to a high one. I should see higher load and more fuel dumped with less timing which is far from ideal for power but should show me the pressure drop results just fine.

I will also be measuring from the intake manifold and my boost control reference so nothing perfect here either but my car was boost leak free last time I checked it so hopefully it will be scientificy enough to make an interesting comparison.

 

[endeffect0]

Are you logging air temps through your stock MAS, or have you installed an IAT sensor after the turbo? If through the MAS, then the air temps you are reading are at the filter, pre-turbo, and the IC will have no effect on that number, and will not reflect any heat soak in the core.

The only thing that would prompt a switch to any other IC for me at this point would be pressure drop. IDK what this Dejon unit is doing to intake pressure, but I plan on testing it in the near future to see what the difference is before and after the core. Dejon does not provide this kind of information...hardly anyone does for any core, for that matter.

I am logging temps at the manifold. and the stock sensor too.

I dont have any info on the pressure drop of my core or of other big SMICs, no one wants to give you hard numbers these days... i go out of my way to buy stuff from people who are willing to give you the information to actually decide, rather than just an advertisement.

Mork. I am very excited about your experiment I cant wait to see the logs and pressure changes.

Pics!!!













Nope, sorry guys. Im out of town till the 8th just working off the laptop for now, pics and logs are on the POS trash picked laptop that i leave in the car.

Honestly i dont know how much stock i put into keeping the sleeper look. I guess its not specifically a goal of mine ever, i just avoid being flashy and this is where it gets me.. for example i have all my gauges mounted in the dash rather than the a pillar.
that being said i never avoid doing mods if they are functional even if they are noticeable.. for example my front bumper is held on by Dzus fasteners two right below each fender and 3 under the hood. My bumper comes on and off enough that i could justify that, plus its a gray car anyway.. it doesn't stand out too bad.

 

[matthewdesigns]

I am logging temps at the manifold. and the stock sensor too.

Nice. I'm impressed with the negligible increase in air temps you are seeing. I definitely would like to see some pics of this monster SMIC setup.

 

[JOEY A]

Ive got a mint supra one ill sell you

FYI ask the supra guys how much they have pushed with stock side mounts

Ive seen 450whp all day long doing well


People just always think they need a super race front mount with no front bumper

My side mount car was really fast along with a freinds who had a side mount on his 2G.......

 

[Grimis]

brining it back from the dead.

so some brakets, and flipping the one side end tank is all that is needed? I have a 2gb talon bumper that i do not want to hack up , as i have the PR front mount and a eclipse bumper before, but i dont plan on going to the moon in this thing, 18g maybe the new FP turbo that looks like a 16 but isnt, anywho. fill me in. I want my car back .