Smaller headache E316g or 50trim

[eclipsemustang]

i've done alot of research and i just wanted to know which turbo would be better to get about 325hp and be quick but still to be a good DD. And I plan on gettin all the supporting Mods

 

[Apeximprt2nr]

An EVOIII would fit your needs well. Great spool and that power can be attainable with it. A 50trim would get there easier and with still more room to grow.
Searching would have gotten this answer within seconds BTW.

 

[marq95gst]

It depends on what you mean when you say "all supporting mods." To run a 50 trim you'll have to get a a/f tuner, injectors, fmic (optional with a 325hp goal), pump.. With an evo 3 16g all you would need is a fuel pump (for good measures), and put the turbo in. (MBC @ 15 of course). Then you can run the turbo while you get your supporting mods little by little. I think that the evo3 on injectors, tuning, fmic, and cams is a sick daily driver. But thats just my 2 cents.

 

[turbodsm18]

In my opinion it all depends on your long term goals. If 325 is your ultimate goal, either of those turbos will get you there.

A 50 trim will get you there easier, but will cost a little more. You can do it with a EVO 3 16g but if you really think about, you are gonna need just about all the supporting mods that you would need for a 50trim. A 50 trim would be more effeciant because you wouldnt be pushing it near its max.

If it were me, I would spend the little extra and get the 50 trim. Like I said, to get to 325 whp on an EVO 3, your gonna need just about the same supporting mods but your gonna be getting close to the limits of that turbo.

Hope this helps,

-Kevin-

 

[eclipsemustang]

so would the install and tuning be easier on the 50 trim than the evo since the 50 trim wouldnt be maxing out at that level

 

[romeen]

One other thing to consider since you're FWD. The Evo spools fast and full boost comes on suddenly. This makes it a very fun turbo but also causes traction issues on a FWD. The 50 trim should get you to 325hp easier but it's hard to beat the Evo for the price.

 

[Mitchel63]

As far as install goes.....both turbos will require you to switch to a different "kind" of charge piping, as the booosted air comes out in a different direction on both turbos and your stock T-25. Both will also require changes to the oil feed and drain. The 16G will require "modding" your coolant lines and the 50 trim will require you "clearancing" your waterpipe. Both are a fairly easy install though. I have ran both of these turbos and granted, I am at 6K feet altitude, but I had WAY more top end running the 50 trim. I like the 16G better though.....it just seems like all around the car is more fun to drive.

 

[EvolvingGST]

as it has been said you are comparing a pistol with a bazooka... they both kill stuff.. one just takes the block with you. But a pistol will cost you less and be more precise but you can only kill one thing at a time. With a bazooka you will have to upgrade and have a bigger bank account. What is your goal? to take out a single target or to take out the neighborhood. Sorry for the annology.

I have a 50 trim and love it... my goals are totally different and you do have a 2G.

50trim mods
50trim (and the oil lines, and maybe bend your dip stick and you block off your coolant lines)
wastegate pref. external 660 + injectors
255 lph fuel pump
AFPR
Engine Management pref. DSMlink
Front Mount or giant sidemount
and some cams would be nice
same goes with the 20G too but i think you will need a j-pipe i think.

Some problems I ran into... I needed slim fans which were great since they flowed a better CFM.

E16G
J-Pipe
550 + injectors
190+ lph fuel pump
Engine Management starts with a SAFC which is much cheaper
and it would be nice to get a Front Mount but a bigger sidemount will be fine.
Cams also do something but are not nec.

 

[scottsee]

50trim. Trust those of us who see the limitations of 16g's. low 12's are really not that fast once you get there, and a little boreing...

 

[20MIRAGEGT]

guys remember dont underestimate a evo3 16g. when maxing out a evo 3 16g is also capeble of making over 400whp. all depends what u want

 

[bird man]

I have had both those turbos on my GST. I loved the e16g when I got it, but i was addicted to speed. I ended up upgrading 6 months later to the DBB 50 trim. WOW! no where near the wheel spin and constand pulling all the way thru redline! there is no other feeling like it. car is currently at 400WHP with ALL supporting mods including GODS GIFT...DSMILNK

 

[bob123131]

I currently run the evo316g gt of tc.com and love it. Plenty of miles and no problems so if you go evo 3 that might be someting to look in to, but anywase. If you go evo 3 its gonna take more boost and more mods to get 325. I love my setup and it makes a sick daily, but to make 325 you will probably need all supporting mods and unless you plan to run 22psi or more you will need at least 264 cams. Long story short if you want an all around street beast with quick spool go eov 3. If you wanta street monstor anfd plan to go bigger in the future go 50 trim. I would personally rathe go fully built with evo than 50 trim anyday if i only wanted 325. The problem is once you get 325 you will probably want 400.

 

[AndrewD5418]

I have had both those turbos on my GST. I loved the e16g when I got it, but i was addicted to speed. I ended up upgrading 6 months later to the DBB 50 trim. WOW! no where near the wheel spin and constand pulling all the way thru redline! there is no other feeling like it. car is currently at 400WHP with ALL supporting mods including GODS GIFT...DSMILNK

How much faster do you think the 50trim DBB spools?

 

[DSM_PWR]

One other thing to consider since you're FWD. The Evo spools fast and full boost comes on suddenly. This makes it a very fun turbo but also causes traction issues on a FWD. The 50 trim should get you to 325hp easier but it's hard to beat the Evo for the price.

Does this mean its "easier" to launch with 50trim? Im asking because im also interested in what to get evo3 or 50 trim for DD.. my goals are 325-350. If i choose the 50trim im gunna definetly baby it and not run it to its max for turbo life.. unless i see a honda
either way im thinking of starting off with evo3 and later upgrade to 50trim

 

[jaday]

Does this mean its "easier" to launch with 50trim? Im asking because im also interested in what to get evo3 or 50 trim for DD.. my goals are 325-350. If i choose the 50trim im gunna definetly baby it and not run it to its max for turbo life.. unless i see a honda
either way im thinking of starting off with evo3 and later upgrade to 50trim

Think about it this way: the E316g is like a quick punch... it will hit hard and fast. the 50 trim has more top end power, but a little laggier, so it'll help somewhat with traction

As far as going with the E3 and upgrading later, I'm curious why not go ahead to the 50? You can use the money you would have spent on the E3 to fund some of the supporting mods for the 50 trim

 

[DSM_PWR]

Reason being i dont have all the supporting mods for the 50trim...DSMLink, Injectors, No Internals, Drivetrain.

My next ups are injectors & ARP Studs/MLS Gasket and im pretty much ready for e316g. So im pretty much gunna work on my tuning on that & get supporting mods for 50trim and upgrade later

 

[jaday]

Reason being i dont have all the supporting mods for the 50trim...DSMLink, Injectors, No Internals, Drivetrain.

My next ups are injectors & ARP Studs/MLS Gasket and im pretty much ready for e316g. So im pretty much gunna work on my tuning on that & get supporting mods for 50trim and upgrade later

You're probably going to want DSMLink and Injectors with either of these turbos if you're wanting to put out 325 whp. Either of these turbos are alright (correct me if I'm wrong someone) running on stock internals, you'll just be able to see an even bigger difference in the two turbos when you do put in cams, etc... And as far as the drivetrain, the lag of the 50 will help compared to the Evo. Just my 2 cents. I think either way you go you'll be alright, just don't want you to spend money just to plan on upgrading later.

 

[turboglenn]

In my opinion it all depends on your long term goals. If 325 is your ultimate goal, either of those turbos will get you there.

A 50 trim will get you there easier, but will cost a little more. You can do it with a EVO 3 16g but if you really think about, you are gonna need just about all the supporting mods that you would need for a 50trim. A 50 trim would be more effeciant because you wouldnt be pushing it near its max.

If it were me, I would spend the little extra and get the 50 trim. Like I said, to get to 325 whp on an EVO 3, your gonna need just about the same supporting mods but your gonna be getting close to the limits of that turbo.

Hope this helps,

-Kevin-

Exactly.. Some one said that on an EVO turbo you'd only need a pump, well the same can hold true on a 50trim as long as you're not exceeding the airflow of the ECU's ability (but the whole point of a larger turbo is to exceed teh previous one) So you'll need the same supporting mods either way. Except you'll need a manifold for the 50trim unless you get a mitsu/garret hybrid. Persaonlly i'd go with the garret turbo since from my experience rebuild parts and replacement ieces are less expensive than anything for an MHI turbo, plus the room to grow way larger is already there, the turbo can be made larger internally or replaced, the manifold can support a wider range of turbos and you get the satisfaction of saying "yea, it's a t3-t4 hybrid.. it goes pretty good"

EDIT: I started with a big16g and thought that would be enough, but it wasn't so i went back and did it over again with a turbonetics manifold, tial wastegate and a t3/4 hybrid i built from turbonetics parts when i was taking an arenticeship at majestic turbo in waco TX. POint being, i could have saved a good bit of money by going straight for the "real turbo" the first time around.

 

[mygsx2120]

guys remember dont underestimate a evo3 16g. when maxing out a evo 3 16g is also capeble of making over 400whp. all depends what u want

Find me one person on here that is making that much power with an EVOIII? That is a totally false statement.

 

[Pursuit]

If you are going to put 50 trim just expect fery slow turbo spool i have garrett 50 trim.
And and i strat to spool after 4500 RPM. My advise it's take a big 16G great turbo for you. 50 trim it's too big.

 

[eclipsemustang]

i think i started this thread about a year ago, i ended up deciding to go with the evo, because i'm a poor college student and the evo with install kit is cheaper than the DBB 50 trim itself, unless someone knows of one thats less than 725, if not i should be getting the Evo with my tax returns, Yay! O and i also decided on the evo because i would really only be using it for a daily driver, probably only a few trips to the track so i really dont need all that top end power.

 

[matthewdesigns]

Find me one person on here that is making that much power with an EVOIII? That is a totally false statement.

90tsiawd made 413.4hp on an Evo3 16g.

 

[97 gst turbooo]

I have a fully ported sbr evoiii16g and i have no spool up problems,when the wastegate wasnt working it spooled 29psi in 3rd gear at 4k. cant complaint with this turbo, now i run a manifold wastegate. My next turbo will be a gt35 for a track car build.

 

[dsmcrazyspiff]

I dont know my exact hp but I ran a 11.5 @117 with 21 lbs boost in my full weight eclipse with my evo3 16 g

 

[siceclipse]

^^^^^^^

now THAT is a good tune