20g or 50trim?

[Squackdiddy]

which one is better? cfm? spool up? cost? reliability? basically the pros and cons of each?

 

[thekellbeast]

Turbo vs turbo threads are dicouraged, just so ya know. But anyways, the 20g has gone 10's, I dunno about the 50 trim. But it does offer better flow for just a bit more. And it's called the pump gas king for a reason.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

50 trim is just a better design with a 360 thrust bearing it will last long than mitsu center cartidge. Also is is cheaper a 50-Trim can cost as low as $800 (AGP) and a TD06 20G is $999 (SBR). The hot-side of a 50-Trim dosent require porting and will last longer since you dont have to port to make it thinner. So far the 50-Trim isnt as proven as the 20G since its relativley new to DSM.

 

[PSiDAWD]

the question is how much money do u have to spend?

20g is proven but youll need an ex gate for sure

50 trim is relativley new but you could run an internal gate and usally dosent creep. plus its cheaper if your going with the PTE stuff

 

[Mo-Bo0st]

You do not "need" an external gate to run a 20g.

 

[PSiDAWD]

You do not "need" an external gate to run a 20g.

true

but would you run an internal gate with a td06 20g? for soem odd reason i talk to alot of people having creep issues with their internally gated 20g.

i have both setups. unfortunatley i cnat compare them because when i had my td06 20g/ex gate setup my motor was in its last leg. and now i have a fresh motor with my 50 trim and shitload of boost leaks.

but imho. id go with a internaly gated PTE 50 trim for street use. ( easier install. less bling under the hood (shiny exgate) and cheaper)

 

[mitch83]

I would go with the 50trim all day. The 20g is a very popular turbo do to the fact that its been around for so long and has held it's own for so long but like everyone has said the T3/T4 hybrids are holding thier own in almost every application they spool like a mofo and the T4 compressors are flowing monsters. They have done so well in every other application around why not a dsm. I know of one guy on this board that stay within 2 car lengths of a rousch stage 3 mustang at 15lbs on the highway with a PTE 50trim.
mitch

 

[midnght]

true

but would you run an internal gate with a td06 20g? for soem odd reason i talk to alot of people having creep issues with their internally gated 20g.

but imho. id go with a internaly gated PTE 50 trim for street use. ( easier install. less bling under the hood (shiny exgate) and cheaper)

I am the complete contradiction to everything you put in your post. My TDO6H 20G is ported and is internally gated. It is from SBR and does not come all bling from them either. The only way you can tell I have a Upgrade is the size. I am even using the stock accordian on it. I have absolutely NO creep problems with turbo aswell.

Stock motor (never been open for any reason) with the stock accordian yeilded 311whp and 307 tq with only 22psi on 89 oct. It flows and pulls hard. Haha, I guess when a reputable shop tells you that you can't make 300whp with anything less than 24psi on a stock motor and a 20G then you have to prove something.

Leon has ran both turbos (20G and 50trim variant) and has better times with the 20G. That is proving ground for me. It was the sole reason behind my purchase. Leon has MANY passes on the track and knows what he is doing.

 

[Mo-Bo0st]

true

but would you run an internal gate with a td06 20g?

Yes.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

the 20g is just old technology, the 50 trim is what is in and what’s putting people in high 1/4 times with less hassle as the 20g. the new gt style turbos is the newest technology. the 20g has gone 10's I have seen the 50 trim go tens on race gas and 11's on pump. shoot the 14b went low 12's so any turbo could do what you want its just how much time u spend working with it.

if you go full garret setup go with agp 50 trim or put together your own such as a dnp manifold custom o2 ect. or the new gt3255 you will be happy with either one of these setups

if you want bolt on i would go with fp green, its a 50 trim family style turbo. pte also makes some bolt on 50 trims for a great price.

give us a little more info on what you want to run, what mods you have. if you want hp or 1/4 times out of the turbo. give us more info we could send you in a better direction because my choice of turbos compared to what you want and need is way different I bet.

JIM

 

[LandoAWD]

the 20g is just old technology, the 50 trim is what is in and what’s putting people in high 1/4 times with less hassle as the 20g. the new gt style turbos is the newest technology. the 20g has gone 10's I have seen the 50 trim go tens on race gas and 11's on pump.

JIM

Any proof?

www.dsmtimes.org

I don't see any 10sec 50 trims.

FWIW, I have been in a 50trim equipped GST, and it fawking hauls.

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

ya i think i could get proof, i would have to ask the guy who has done it for a time slip.

ya ive had a 50 trim and for a gst or gsx they do haul ass. but with fwd i think the 60 trim is a better choice sense fwd is all about top end.

 

[PSiDAWD]

I am the complete contradiction to everything you put in your post. My TDO6H 20G is ported and is internally gated. It is from SBR and does not come all bling from them either. The only way you can tell I have a Upgrade is the size. I am even using the stock accordian on it. I have absolutely NO creep problems with turbo aswell.

Stock motor (never been open for any reason) with the stock accordian yeilded 311whp and 307 tq with only 22psi on 89 oct. It flows and pulls hard. Haha, I guess when a reputable shop tells you that you can't make 300whp with anything less than 24psi on a stock motor and a 20G then you have to prove something.

Leon has ran both turbos (20G and 50trim variant) and has better times with the 20G. That is proving ground for me. It was the sole reason behind my purchase. Leon has MANY passes on the track and knows what he is doing.

thats pretty damn awesome. i guess i havent been out too much and havent seen more internally gated 20gs that dont have any creep issues. what kind of wastegate acutator are you using?

oh and 311whp on 89 octane.. pretty damn sweet. i wouldnt have the balls to use that low octane value with that much boost! =)

 

[PSiDAWD]

Yes.

i apologize, i didnt mean to make it an offensive question. again like i said i havent seen a td06 20g that has a 34mm internal gate work properly. ( well now i know theres some out there that do damn work=) )

 

[midnght]

but with fwd i think the 60 trim is a better choice sense fwd is all about top end.

Yes, but lag then becomes a problem. I have never said it before about lag, but this is the territory of extreme in the case of a 60trim.

I don't understand the response about the old/new technogy. Proven is proven, old or new. I think they are VERY VERY similar in style.

As for the FP Green, what wheel did they use again?

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

well ive used a 60 trim and the lag is not big at all.

as for hold vs. new, i mean look at the people running 11's on pump. with these new style more developed turbos its getting easier to run higher numbers. by this i dont mean its easy to run 11's, it still is very hard but with these new turbos it just gives you that advantage

 

[midnght]

as for hold vs. new, i mean look at the people running 11's on pump. with these new style more developed turbos its getting easier to run higher numbers.

The reason people are seeing these numbers now is because it is the latest hip thing. The 50trim has been around but in the last year it has been brought to the front of the line. Most people are walking away from the proven stuff and going places with the 50trim.

I have driven in a 50 trim GST and my TDO6H 20G. They are so similar it is not even funny. Spool and power were damn near identical.


I am not bashing ANY turbo, they are all good. Most of all of us will run more than 1 turbo setup. Most of the time it is to go bigger. The 20G and 50 trim is becoming more of the middle step now, as opposed to the 16G.

 

[Squackdiddy]

the question is how much money do u have to spend?

20g is proven but youll need an ex gate for sure

50 trim is relativley new but you could run an internal gate and usally dosent creep. plus its cheaper if your going with the PTE stuff

im want to spend the least i can.

 

[PSiDAWD]

im want to spend the least i can.

i think the PTE 50 trim is teh turbo for you, for less than 1k your have an internally gated 50 trim

 

[Squackdiddy]

why does the 20g cost so much and the 50trim so little? it seems to me that the 50trim is better. flows more lasts longer, i dont know.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

Within the last year AGP use to have T3/T4 for $999 but then they lowered it $900, then $825, and now $800. I was in the same boat as you between a 20G and 50-Trim (i just wanted more than a 16G) this is what i came up with:
• i can get a 50-Trim for 800 , internally wastegated w/ 38mm flapper for 100, and 90* bended weld 50 for a total for $950. Which is STILL cheaper than a non-internal wastegated TD06 20G (SBR $999)

 

[racegate]

Maybe 4yrs ago a 20g. But in this day and age, I think the 50t is the perfect medium sized street turbo. Definatly get a 50trim.

 

[GetEvryGear]

Any proof?

www.dsmtimes.org

I don't see any 10sec 50 trims.

FWIW, I have been in a 50trim equipped GST, and it fawking hauls.

I have been trying to follow this turbo, because it is what I want to put on my GS-T this summer. However, I wonder about durability issues. Such as, has your friend with the 50 trim, lando, had any problems thus far? Broken axles, tranny, etc..?

 

[atc250r]

shoot the 14b went low 12's so any turbo could do what you want its just how much time u spend working with it.

Correction, the 14B went high 11's on its own and DSMotorsport's car went 11.4 with a 14B and Nitrous at the East Coast DSM shootout this past weekend.

John

 

[LandoAWD]

I have been trying to follow this turbo, because it is what I want to put on my GS-T this summer. However, I wonder about durability issues. Such as, has your friend with the 50 trim, lando, had any problems thus far? Broken axles, tranny, etc..?

PM sarge on this board. I don't think any drivability issues have come up as of yet.