Should I get coil on plug setup

[954g63gst]

Het guys i was seeing if I would benifit from a coil on plug set up or not? My mod list is on my profile

 

[95talongirl]

Where you are at right now, I don't think you'll need it. COP setups benefit cars shooting for high horsepower and thus more at the limit. The 16g setup does just find on the stock ignition. I've never had any issues with spark related problems on mine.

 

[airmail96]

With your setup I wouldn't really worry about it, unless you are trying to squeeze out every last bit from the 16g, your setup is pretty stout though. The stock ignition setup has been shown to be able to handle making 500hp and with the 16g you should still have a little room.

 

[CrackedDSM]

I'd say go for it if you get a deal on one. I'm a huge fan of COP setups, and from now on all my DSMs will have a cop setup. Throttle response increases, low end torque increases, idle is a LOT smoother, and it cleans up the engine bay a ton. Not having to worry about spark plug wires or finding a place for the stock coil pack, all a huge bonus. Yes the stock coil pack is stronger let me just say that before someone else does, but I know more than a few people in the 10's on a cop setup without a CDI box.

 

[Miasma]

I personally love COP setup's, if I could've put on my old 420a I would have. However if you are going to install one, I would also look into a ignition boosted down the road, so you don't loose any spark. But with your setup you'd be fine with or with out it.

 

[954g63gst]

Thanks guys I will do with out for now. But it is deffenatly on my wish list after I upgrade to an FP red later on. Great answers.

 

[AK Maniak]

I'm currently running an FP Green XL on the stock ignition system with out any problems.

 

[954g63gst]

Ok back to my question I was not worried about any problems. I just wanted to know if I would BENIFIT more from a coil on plug setup with my mods or if it would show little to no difference. The first two members gave great answers thanks guys for useful info.

 

[phunny]

No you will not have any benefits from a COP setup, even with an FPred.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Ok back to my question I was not worried about any problems. I just wanted to know if I would BENIFIT more from a coil on plug setup with my mods or if it would show little to no difference. The first three members gave great answers thanks guys for useful info.

Fixed it for you and you're welcome.

 

[954g63gst]

You did state very important info for that type of question.

 

[WES_393]

No you will not have any benefits from a COP setup, even with an FPred.

I agree. I personally have never experienced any benefit from using a COP setup. They are purely for aesthetics IMO.

 

[CrackedDSM]

I agree. I personally have never experienced any benefit from using a COP setup. They are purely for aesthetics IMO.

So that must mean no one ever sees any kind of gain or benefits from them?

 

[steve]

So that must mean no one ever sees any kind of gain or benefits from them?

On a DSM using a factory ECU and power transistor they work less well than the factory stock coils.

I've seen very few people set up to take advantage of the potential of them. Just read all the threads wanting to know how to wire them to the stock transistor.

 

[WES_393]

So that must mean no one ever sees any kind of gain or benefits from them?

By this logic, your claiming everyone will experience increased throttle response, low end torque, and idle control. Right? I just stated my experience, the same as you did. No need to become offensive because you don't agree.

Truth is, there is no evidence showing that COP setups are any better than stock when simply used in place of stock coils. In some ways they could even hurt performance.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/453613-coil-plug-pros-vs-cons.html

 

[Tyeler18]

Weston thompsons GVR4 put down 620whp on the stock ignition system with BR7ES plugs and Taylor 10.3mm wires. We turned the boost up on the street flowing over 74lbs/min and still no break-up. This was on the STOCK coils.

That being said, I'm going to a COP setup to clean up the engine bay. Also, I've found that the most common problem with people using a COP is that everyone on here uses a 2 wire coil. The factory harness cannot saturate 4 coils enough on a 2 wire setup. Look on Evom at the guys using RSX 3 wire coils. Rather than being charged and fired by the same wire, they use a dedicated 12v to EACH coil, dedicated ground to EACH coil, and then a trigger wire to fire them. Much better setup and best of all NO booster required.

By this logic, your claiming everyone will experience increased throttle response, low end torque, and idle control. Right? I just stated my experience, the same as you did. No need to become offensive because you don't agree.

Truth is, there is no evidence showing that COP setups are any better than stock when simply used in place of stock coils. In some ways they could even hurt performance.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/453613-coil-plug-pros-vs-cons.html

Refer to my above post for more info. I do disagree though. With a PROPER setup (what most dsmers don't follow) COP is a much stronger system. Upwards of 100,000volts will increase throttle response, torque, and I suppose can help dial in an idle. It won't hurt performance at all (again, with a proper setup). Tie in a unit like the AEM with individual coil control and you can greatly turn around a build.

 

[CrackedDSM]

By this logic, your claiming everyone will experience increased throttle response, low end torque, and idle control. Right? I just stated my experience, the same as you did. No need to become offensive because you don't agree.

Don't get butt-hurt Wes, I was poking fun at you because you're a DSMTalk member, not that I was offended.



But yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If you install it correctly, using proper coils and not 150,000 junkyard used coils, wire it decently, you'll see all of that.




Also, Tyeler18. Interesting, got any more info on those coils?

 

[954g63gst]

Good info Tyeler18 I hope alot of people read this thread and pick the right choice of wiring and coils.

 

[Tyeler18]

How to make cheap coil on plug setup - evolutionm.net

This should be a good read for more info.

Also note- This is a much more efficient setup with an H8 ecu. Being able to control dwell makes tuning without a booster much easier. All 5 of my dsms are running evo 8 Ecu's and it's a much better setup than factory.

 

[phunny]

So that must mean no one ever sees any kind of gain or benefits from them?

Says the dsm guru with the eBay 16g.

 

[supersilverspeed]

cop systems are beautiful and can be expensive. stock ignition isnt that pretty but there are some nice spark plug covers out there. also if it doesnt have an issue dont make a headache for yourself. there is no real gain unless the stock system just cant fire enough.!

 

[gsxtasy]

I'm with Wes, no real benefit in a wasted spark configuration. Need a CDI box to make them worth a shit at high boost without having to close gaps down ridiculously small.

 

[sr20detkilr7]

There is a cheaper solution , 1990 model coils were extremely overpowered as were alot of things, Im running that coil on a car on 35 psi with very minimal plug gap change and it runs perfect. If you are going for show car stuff the Plug on wire does help.