Security Systems to Stop Your RIde from Being Jacked

[JosephSMendez]

What are the best security systems that you guys use so people do not steal your hard work?

 

[jinscho]

A garage.

 

[shinzon]

The starters on these cars are hard to get to, so you'd probably do fine with a well hidden killswitch that interrupts the signal going from the key to the starter. Also remember that 2gs have factory alarms and immobilizer, as basic as they are (just detects presence of a key in the lock cylinder using the key-minder circuit, if i remember correctly).

 

[spyderdrifter]

I was also going to say a killswitch. If you're worried about it more than normal, use multiple killswitches in multiple locations that only you know where they are. Use one for the starter, fuel pump, ignition, ect....

Might be over kill, but also lets you have a little peace of mind.

 

[DogWhistle]

The starters on these cars are hard to get to, so you'd probably do fine with a well hidden killswitch that interrupts the signal going from the key to the starter. Also remember that 2gs have factory alarms and immobilizer, as basic as they are (just detects presence of a key in the lock cylinder using the key-minder circuit, if i remember correctly).

Close...3Gs were the first to get the immobilizer. The 2Gs have the alarm though, which is why it is possible to start the car and drive it with the alarm siren going. This can happen if the door lock switch fails.

Agreed that a hidden switch would probably be best for anti-theft. It is a more straightforward way of handling a no-start scenario. Plus, it’s easily reversible later, with virtually no harness hack, if you want to remove it.

 

[shinzon]

Close...3Gs were the first to get the immobilizer. The 2Gs have the alarm though, which is why it is possible to start the car and drive it with the alarm siren going. This can happen if the door lock switch fails.

Nah, the door switches have nothing to do with the immobilizer on a 2G. There's a theft alarm relay on the ground side of the starter relay on the clutch switch wire on a manual car, and on the neutral safety switch on an automatic. If a key isn't in the ignition then the theft-alarm relay wont ground the starter relay, just as if the clutch wasnt pushed in.

Edit: actually, looking closely at that diagram, the ETAC-ECU also needs to provide a ground for the control side of the anti-theft relay, and if remember correctly, ETAC handles retained power and the audible alarm, so presumably with the alarm sounding because of an open door, it won't start either.

Source 1997 Eagle Talon Vol2 Shop Manual:

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[DogWhistle]

Nah, the door switches have nothing to do with the immobilizer on a 2G. There's a theft alarm relay on the ground side of the starter relay on the clutch switch wire on a manual car, and on the neutral safety switch on an automatic. If a key isn't in the ignition then the theft-alarm relay wont ground the starter relay, just as if the clutch wasnt pushed in.

Edit: actually, looking closely at that diagram, the ETAC-ECU also needs to provide a ground for the control side of the anti-theft relay, and if remember correctly, ETAC handles retained power and the audible alarm, so presumably with the alarm sounding because of an open door, it won't start either.

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Hopefully that’s the case. We haven’t tried not inserting a key and hot wiring the starter.

We know that from personal experience that the 3Gs use a chip key that disables the fuel pump if missing.

If the 2G needs a key present, at least that would slow down the hot wiring, but also anxious to know if a slide hammer auger counts as a “key” to the 2G ecu?

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Add a hidden isolator switch for the earth to the starter or ignition (not positive side)

Now im doing 2 fuel pumps im adding a second switch to activate the pump after the first so that any fuel left in my swirl pot can get a few miles if that but unless they know what buttons to press they wont activate the refill pump .

 

[miguelmcv]

I wouldn’t do a starter kill switch, that’s being for ages and everyone knows how to start a car without finding the switch button, and that’s without saying if it’s a stick shift, it will start with a push.

I would go with a kill switch to the ECU switch current, and using 2 or even 3 switches if you are really worried about.

If they find one switch, it won’t start because the second and third won’t be on, if they ever find the second switch, it won’t start ether because the third will be off, IF they find all 3 switches, they should go and by a lottery ticket, because with that luck, they sure can hit the big bucks

 

[pauleyman]

Add a hidden isolator switch for the earth to the starter or ignition (not positive side)

Now im doing 2 fuel pumps im adding a second switch to activate the pump after the first so that any fuel left in my swirl pot can get a few miles if that but unless they know what buttons to press they wont activate the refill pump .[/QUOTE
Sounds like a similar idea I saw once.
A floor switch on a timer. If you're carjacked you press the button with your foot and let the thief drive away. They wouldn't get far. 10 sec or so. Juat far enough for you to get to safety and for sure recover your car. Additionally this same device would let somebody steal the car on a break-in but it won't go far. The idea is if they get caught you can prosecute for grand theft instead of just vandalism. Looks like your idea might accomplish something similar. Wonder how far the car would go.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

My swirl pot is only about 1.5 liters and its a huge pump so i dont think far i will test it once its all setup. Im not great with maths but i think it gets about 1min 30 ish of fuel time before the pot runs out. Maths bad and just woke so even worse maths

 

[JosephSMendez]

Honestly guys I dont like people messing with vehicles that I spent my whole life paying and modding I feel like people have no respect for your stuff anymore. They just wanna steal someone elses life work.