Running Out of Fuel on 550's?

[kpt4321]

You make me sick.

ALL of the information that you use to back up your claims comes directly from the DSMMotorsports homepage. You don't know you're right hand from your ass in terms of having an actual understanding of how a car works.

First, you come on here, and you argue with EVERYONE and try to tell us that you're maxing out your 550's. People tell you that you're not, but you just get up in their face, and say that you are.

Then, a page later, all of a sudden, they were right. Yet, there is no mention of the fact that the entire reason you started this thread was wrong.

Now, you're making all kinds of claims as to what kind of numbers your car can put down. Well, STFU until you have proof. I can brag all day about how nasty my car is but it doesn't mean shit.

And, I have doubts that you're spinning all 4 in second gear. Andre, for example, makes over 400 whp on pump gas (50 trim) and has just begun to have traction problems. Other people I know, who make well over 300 whp on pump, have no wheelspin in second at all.

Why is it that all of a sudden, your car goes from being balls slow, to "spinning all 4 in second gear?" Do you have magic powers?

STFU. Go learn something and then come back here. I really wish the mods would ban trolls like you.

 

[umiami80]

you make me sick
ALL of the information that you use to back up your claims comes directly from the DSMMotorsports homepage. You don't know you're right hand from your ass in terms of having an actual understanding of how a car works.

You do not know what you are talking about, never did, never will. All you know is that you see something you don't like and like a little boy you must resort to name calling and flames because you see that you need to destroy an idea without any truths or proof. Truth, I run an ETE-12 turbo, no longer in existence, pushes slightly more then an ETA-12, at about 39 pound a MIN. I know more about cars then you ever will little boy. I do all my own work, and in fact just rebuilt my tyranny, the only thing left in that tyranny that is original, is Gear 2,3,4,5 and that is it.

You don't know what you are talking about, just aggravated because you hate a specific turbo and you don't want anyone else too, trey pathetic, Hitler started like you. Moving on.

First, you come on here, and you argue with EVERYONE and try to tell us that you're maxing out your 550's. People tell you that you're not, but you just get up in their face, and say that you are.

IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING about tuning little man you would realize that 550's are not much larger then 450's and are suited to a SMALL 16G. Have a friend with a stock 2G head at MAX with his 550's on a Big 16G, if you knew how to tune a car, you would too, just the facts it takes FUEL and FIRE to make POWER, very simple, I bet your at -15-20 on 550's, running lean but somehow getting good timing, look at you plugs, see how fuct up they are. Right now I am at about -5 percent at 7000 rpms, right there at fuel cut, with my turbo which FLOW MORE then a Big 16G, run cams and a head and your done.


Again PLEASE do not talk unless you know what you are talking about, which you don't, so listen up buddy it gets a little complicated here.

Then, a page later, all of a sudden, they were right. Yet, there is no mention of the fact that the entire reason you started this thread was wrong.

First off, I am GALD you took so much interest in me, seems like I have a fan who is obsessed, I am not ### but if that did it for me I'd be pretty lucky. Anyways my EGT probe, which is SHIT from Westach, actually was melted. Gave off far cooler readings then there was supposed too, also could not get a decent top end as detonation was there no matter what, so were backed off the boost, and it was FINE.

Now have an TRE, EGT probe, which actually works, got the car dialed in with a pocket logger, ran 20PSI and at the top of 7000 it starts to break up, out of fuel, why Because I know how to tune, and if you know how to tune, anyone will tell you that 550's will be lean at the max with a Big 16G on pump, race gas is another story, but here I am out of fuel, I am going bigger.

My EGT's by the way PEG at 1610 at WOT and DO NOT go up, I tried, car is tuned.

Moving on

Now, you're making all kinds of claims as to what kind of numbers your car can put down. Well, STFU until you have proof. I can brag all day about how nasty my car is but it doesn't mean shit

Still aggravated huh? Well It is KINDA HARD to find an AWD Dyno, they got one back in jerzy and I will be there inside of a month. I DO NOT NEED TO PROVE SHIT TO YOU, your a whiney hater with no purpose but to bi*** on the internet and get you rocks off to the responses. YOU SUCK and HAVE NO CLUE.


and what is this...............

And, I have doubts that you're spinning all 4 in second gear. Andre, for example, makes over 400 whp on pump gas (50 trim) and has just begun to have traction problems. Other people I know, who make well over 300 whp on pump, have no wheel spin in second at all.

Well of course you do, with the knowledge that you have presented before me about tuning it is obvious that you no nothing about tuning or making power, so you have a car with alright bottom and real shitty top end, good for you. You mash a six puck with 2500 pound pressure plate at 7300 rpms after a crazy launch, and bang it out it will spin all four, sorry, consequences of making power, you should learn. TO my defense I have no LSD and my tires are pretty crappy as of now but still all 4 on dry pavement, you should try it.

Why is it that all of a sudden, your car goes from being balls slow, to "spinning all 4 in second gear?" Do you have magic powers?

STFU. Go learn something and then come back here. I really wish the mods would ban trolls like you.

My car ran like shit for a while, the past two weeks I did a lot of tuning and tune-ups. True the car ran like shit, you know WHY, it was LEAN, very LEAN, had balls down low, nothing up top. EGT was a POS and tuning was far from easy. Need a NEW 02 sensor as mine had failed, try tuning without one, I dear you. I replaced ALL these parts (BTW my car was in open dump mode) and you know what, my top end still suffered? Why Took a while to find out why but my FPR had a false vacuum source, so as boost when up, fuel did not.


No that it is fixed, idle is infinitely better, and my toped is actually a top end. Started at 16PSI, made a good fuel table, added boost until we ran out of fuel, which is at 21PSI to the dot, cut back the boost, cut back the fuel slightly, now my injectors (FROM DSM PERFORMACE BTW) enjoy a healthy duty cycle of 93%, yup out of fuel, and with RC's I would have been out of fuel at 80%. No again you no nothing of tuning but maybe this will help you.

True I have no clue to what all this madness puts to the ground, but being able to WALK a Vette and LS1 equipped vehicles makes me wonder how much too, to do this at least 300WHP, and my turbo is rated at 400WHP.


Again I am sorry your so upset, I am sorry you have to bi*** about shit you know nothing about, I am sorry you have now life and must try to destroy innocent people who only come here to help. No listen, step back from your keyboard, go find a woman, and get you dick WET. If you were you wouldn't have time to develop a crush on little old' me.


But Methinks that you will just have to come back on here, ignore all my advice, and get right back to bitching, so bi***, and whine, and complain, but only shit pours from your mouth, that's what shit talkers do you know, and maybe if you would stop taking it up the ass so much, that shit wouldn't back up and fly out your mouth every time you opened it (see above in your post). Lay off the ####, get some ####y, all will be well, I promise.


Thanks
Umiami80

 

[kpt4321]

Originally posted by umiami80


You do not know what you are talking about, never did, never will. All you know is that you see something you don't like and like a little boy you must resort to name calling and flames because you see that you need to destroy an idea without any truths or proof.

When did I call you a name? Troll does not count, that is a descriptive term, not a childish name. Perhaps, if you are going to make claims about what I have and have not done, you should at least make sure the information is true.

What is this "idea" I am destroying without any ideas or proof?

Truth, I run an ETE-12 turbo, no longer in existence, pushes slightly more then an ETA-12, at about 39 pound a MIN.

This just proves your lack of intelligence. My 14b could probably flow 39 pounds per minute. In fact, I just looked at a compressor map, and the 14b can flow 39 lb/min. It would be hella inefficient, and would not really work in a real world situation, but it can do it.

Basing the ability of a turbo simply on some obscure "maximum flow" number is absurd. The real way to judge a turbo is by looking at a compressor map and finding the efficiency at the flow and pressure ratio that you will be using, or even better, but look at it's success in real-world situations.

But, I never even said ANYTHING about your turbo, and you reply getting all in my face defending it? I don't have a problem, at all, with the ETE-12. None. Why the hell are you acting like I do?

I know more about cars then you ever will little boy. I do all my own work, and in fact just rebuilt my tyranny, the only thing left in that tyranny that is original, is Gear 2,3,4,5 and that is it.

Ok. Actually, it sounds like you don't, but that's not very relevent.

I do all the work on my car myself too. And, I have the timeslips to prove that it is good work.

The fact that you rebuilt a tranny does not mean you must be right. You're not the first person (or the hundredth) in the world to do such a thing.

You don't know what you are talking about, just aggravated because you hate a specific turbo and you don't want anyone else too, trey pathetic, Hitler started like you. Moving on.

Here you go yet again. Find the specific part in my post where I said anything about your turbo. I dare you. I also guarantee that you won't be able to, because I didn't say anything. It's funny how you have convinced yourself that I hate your turbo, even though I never even mentioned it.

IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING about tuning little man you would realize that 550's are not much larger then 450's and are suited to a SMALL 16G. Have a friend with a stock 2G head at MAX with his 550's on a Big 16G, if you knew how to tune a car, you would too, just the facts it takes FUEL and FIRE to make POWER, very simple, I bet your at -15-20 on 550's, running lean but somehow getting good timing, look at you plugs, see how fuct up they are. Right now I am at about -5 percent at 7000 rpms, right there at fuel cut, with my turbo which FLOW MORE then a Big 16G, run cams and a head and your done.

No shit. I realize they're not much bigger. Where did I say they were? I personally believe that 550's are a waste, I think one should always step directly to 660's.

With all the cars i have tuned with 550's, I usually end up at about -3% to -6% on the SAFC, depending on the boost level and the rest of the mods on the car. Looks like you're wrong yet again.

I can't really decipher the rest of this paragraph, it seems to be written in some strange dialect of English. <shrug>

Again PLEASE do not talk unless you know what you are talking about, which you don't, so listen up buddy it gets a little complicated here.

Complicated? COMPLICATED!?!?! You think this is COMPLICATED? What a *####ing* joke. We're talking about fuel flow rates with regard to airflow rates. The only tuning concept LESS complicated than this is "start car, push gas pedal."

I didn't even say anything technical that would show that I "don't know what I'm talking about." You, on the other hand, have proved it numerous times.

First off, I am GALD you took so much interest in me, seems like I have a fan who is obsessed, I am not ### but if that did it for me I'd be pretty lucky.

Have you thought about the fact that maybe I'm just trying to get you to shut up and stop spreading misinformation around, and effecting the more impressionable, newer guys on the site? Or, that I'm just trying to help you?

Anyways my EGT probe, which is SHIT from Westach, actually was melted. Gave off far cooler readings then there was supposed too, also could not get a decent top end as detonation was there no matter what, so were backed off the boost, and it was FINE.

This proves, several times over, that you don't understand tuning concepts. First, relying on an EGT gauge rather than a logger is stupid, you just proved it.

Second of all, you made all kinds of erroneous claims that you were maxing out your injectors, only because your EGT's were wrong? I don't get it.

Now have an TRE, EGT probe, which actually works, got the car dialed in with a pocket logger, ran 20PSI and at the top of 7000 it starts to break up, out of fuel, why Because I know how to tune, and if you know how to tune, anyone will tell you that 550's will be lean at the max with a Big 16G on pump, race gas is another story, but here I am out of fuel, I am going bigger.

I don't see how "knowing how to tune" has anything to do with you running out of fuel. A turbo flows the same amount of air, and requires the same amount of fuel, whether or not the owner knows how to tune or not.

I agree that 550's will be maxed out with a 16g on pump. Hell, even a 14b can max out 550's on pump gas. Tha fact that you can max out 550's has no relevance whatsoever to your tuning ability. Anyone can do that simply by turning the boost up.

My EGT's by the way PEG at 1610 at WOT and DO NOT go up, I tried, car is tuned.

<claps hands> Nice job!

Still aggravated huh? Well It is KINDA HARD to find an AWD Dyno, they got one back in jerzy and I will be there inside of a month. I DO NOT NEED TO PROVE SHIT TO YOU, your a whiney hater with no purpose but to bi*** on the internet and get you rocks off to the responses. YOU SUCK and HAVE NO CLUE.

You could just go to a track, there are plenty of those around.

Or, since you're the master mechanic, you can just switch the car to FWD and dyno it. If you rebuilt your transmission, switching to FWD shouldn't be hard.

You've been arguing with people for 4 pages, I have made 2 posts. It seems like you're the one who is "bitching on the internet and getting your rocks off at the responses."

I have no clue about what?

Need a NEW 02 sensor as mine had failed, try tuning without one, I dear you.

The O2 sensor is not involved at WOT, when the ECU is in open-loop mode. There is no reason you need it to tune.

Took a while to find out why but my FPR had a false vacuum source, so as boost when up, fuel did not.

Nice job master mechanic.

Again I am sorry your so upset, I am sorry you have to bi*** about shit you know nothing about, I am sorry you have now life and must try to destroy innocent people who only come here to help. No listen, step back from your keyboard, go find a woman, and get you dick WET. If you were you wouldn't have time to develop a crush on little old' me.

That's classic. For some reason, because i have come on here and made one post (2 now) you seem to think I live in a little closet and don't know what girls are? Wrong. That's totally irrelevant.

If I really cared, I could tell you specificially what my girlfriend and I have done this week. But that's stupid and childish, and I don't need to prove my sexuality to you or anyone here.

All it seems like, is that you're too immature to debate this within the context of the original arguement, so you have to expand it to personal, childish insults. Pathetic.

But Methinks that you will just have to come back on here, ignore all my advice, and get right back to bitching, so bi***, and whine, and complain, but only shit pours from your mouth, that's what shit talkers do you know, and maybe if you would stop taking it up the ass so much, that shit wouldn't back up and fly out your mouth every time you opened it (see above in your post). Lay off the ####, get some ####y, all will be well, I promise.

Oh, so I'm ### now too. First of all, I am not ###, but even if I was, what the #### does it have to do with tuning a DSM? I guy that takes it in the ass can tweak a SAFC just as wlel as one that doesn't.

I'm not the shit talker. I haven't said I could do anything amazing. You're the one making the claims. It's flying out of your mouth.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Uni, your a ###, a loser without a slip, you lose.

11.9@119

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

people.

I never so many crap start from a simple question.

I want no more arguing abuot these mutt turbos if you think it's crap great keep it to yourself.

He is happy with his and it's making the power he wants. leave it be. He had his issue figured out almost have a page ago yet you guys continue this.