Roll cage bars through dash?

[Slippi84]

There are 2 versions of that kit. I can't remember if Casey used the S&W or another but I know it was a kit as I was told. Form fitting the cage in the car is 100% custom. Every bar bent by hand (machine) 1 by one.

As far as I have seen I have yet to see another form fit cage in a 1g. They simply cost too much to put in. When the cage cost more than the car is ever going to be worth, most people find no reason to go that route when a regular kit gets the job done. Add on top of that making it a TIG'd chromoly cage and things get crazy. Putting everything in mind as far as which cage fits the best, which cage best offers space, and is the most OEM/hidden. Another bonus I found is the fact that it is TIG'd according to NHRA rules opposed to MIG'd due tot he above I feel pretty confident in my assertion.

I'm kind of confused however, you aren't saying that the cage in your shell is "form fitted" are you? Just wondering. I didn't think you were but I was just making sure so I can better comprehend it.

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And I was positive there were others, I just knew it isn't common. Too much time and that equates to too much money. I believe I have seen pics of your car.[/QUOTE]



My cage aka Casey's old cage is a custom cage it is not some cookie cutter cage. I don't know why or who told you it was but that is false. Go on S&W's site and tell me which cage they sell comes with a chute mount setup and the parts to mount a chute??? I am aware and have seen both kits that S&W makes first hand on was in my first shell the other I saw when I went to the actual S&W location as they are not far from me and neither is of this quality. Take a look at the difference in space between the main loop and the side of the car. That can not be adjusted by cutting or fabbing a already pre-cut length of pipe. I don't care how custom fab a cage if it's not welded in right and mounted in the right location it won't do it's job to the best of it's ability.

 

[Slippi84]

I think you are missing the point, I don't mind repairing the cage, I'm looking for IDEAS to make it look nice and clean going through the dash. It has nothing to do with saving money, I don't care what it costs to fix it, I just want to see what the best way to do it is! The reason I bought this car back is because I built it and know every nut and bolt on it so it's worth more to me than someone else. Nothing to do with a cage!

You can't argue with that. One mans treasure. Well hope the pictures even thoug for a 1g help a little for ideas. Good person to hit up is Andrew(super95awd or something like that)

 

[TSimage]

And I was positive there were others, I just knew it isn't common. Too much time and that equates to too much money. I believe I have seen pics of your car.[/QUOTE]
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As I said in my post to him, my memory escapes me and I could still possibly be thinking of a completely different car. The one I am thinking of wasn't form fitted yet it fits slows description but then slow says his isn't done yet so its probably not him.

My cage aka Casey's old cage is a custom cage it is not some cookie cutter cage. I don't know why or who told you it was but that is false. Go on S&W's site and tell me which cage they sell comes with a chute mount setup and the parts to mount a chute??? I am aware and have seen both kits that S&W makes first hand on was in my first shell the other I saw when I went to the actual S&W location as they are not far from me and neither is of this quality. Take a look at the difference in space between the main loop and the side of the car. That can not be adjusted by cutting or fabbing a already pre-cut length of pipe. I don't care how custom fab a cage if it's not welded in right and mounted in the right location it won't do it's job to the best of it's ability.

I simply mentioned it was a kit because that is what I was told and honestly that is what it looks like. The fitment of that cage looks like a lot of the kits I have seen so when someone told me it was a kit it sounded about right. I believe there are a handfull of guys over on Talk currently running it. Either way it goes it reminded me of the one that Ted used. Any cage can be bought with upgrades such as a chute or what not. That chute setup in that car isn't a typical NHRA styled setup. Its a simple straight bar out the back. Many aftermarket designated chute kits are independently mounted to the frame of the car. As far as the roll bar fitting to the side of the car, I don't see why that would be "hard" a simple common measurement and it is as easy as a few bends. The other basic parts are there, while the front bars that come off the halo can be mounted various ways. Some come straight down or the V it out to avoid obstructing too much of the view (I believe this is the method Ted used) I remember asking about his roll bar supports with the "raised" floor bar and finding out it wouldn't pass for me here. The roll bar design with the lateral bars is also frowned upon at a couple evens and tacks around town. I was told that the rear bars need to meet the floor as well but I have seen people get away with mounting it to the bar "strut bar" across the trunk. That wouldn't be my preference however I rather the cage be tied completely into the car for its final rear 2 points to offer more rigidity. (those 2 bars in any cage are the biggest addition to the structural support when mounted correctly and the final no-no of all is the MIG job on a possibly chromoly cage.


But either way it goes, it is definitely efficient for what you need it for and that is to keep you safe. You said your tracks aren't as strict so I'm sure the cage will work just fine. As I said earlier, people have things set to their preferences. I happened to prefer a ABC style expandable design that was more hidden and gave me more room. Different strokes for different folks, but as far as my cage is concerned I think your represents more of how his cage is now and mine is the way he is looking to change it from what I gain from his comments.

Its all good in da hood.

This is the link to Teds thread:

DSM Forums: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, and Eagle Talon Forum: DSMtalk.com - View Single Post - WyldKardz DSM Build Past/Present

Same initial design and I can assure you from seeing the car in person it looks almost identical to that very cage in your shell apart from a fe modified parts. The simple chute "bar" is an easy add on that some kits even come with more than enough spare steel to create.

This one was bought from SW for roughly $430 SHIPPED I believe he said it was. Basically a $300 DIY kit. As I mentioned, it definitely gets the job done at a fraction of the cost. Considering it is MIG'd it might even be the same mild steel cage. No one is going to spend the extra money on Chromoly and have it MIG's. If you have ever tried to MIG Chromoly, its worse than stainless.. But again, it very well could still be moly. Knowing Casey it probably is but it being MIGd is unfortunate..

 

[Slippi84]

Dsmtalk is a joke to me but that's a different story. Straight from Casey my cage(his old cage) is hand bent hand laid and hand tigged so whoever you talked to was talking out their ass. Same with whoever told you that a cage cost 6k to make. I don't think that you understand certain fuctions of a cage and how certain things work but if your cage passes tech good for you man. Your cage was built for street use aka space vision ect mine was built for function.

 

[91stocker]

Dsmtalk is a joke

agree 100% there

 

[TSimage]

Dsmtalk is a joke to me but that's a different story. Straight from Casey my cage(his old cage) is hand bent hand laid and hand tigged so whoever you talked to was talking out their ass. Same with whoever told you that a cage cost 6k to make. I don't think that you understand certain fuctions of a cage and how certain things work but if your cage passes tech good for you man. Your cage was built for street use aka space vision ect mine was built for function.

Interesting TIG welds... any info on what shop built that thing? Id say its not a matter of street vs function, that's the nice way of saying budget cage vs NHRA tech shop. It wouod next make me wonder, why spend money to have a cage custom made to look like a kit. So much more money coulda been saved simply buyiing a SW and welding it up.

As a person who has other caged vehicles, hell my daily is roll bard I know more about cages than most. I have and do own cars that ran and required the cgaes they have. This isn't my first trip around the block, even with DSMs. Bottom/line is I printed the pics out and took them with me to the shop when Gray Macky came to look over some certs and he said he wouldn't have passed me with that setup. Not sayin you couldn't get it passed in NY or UT but CA is full of Nazi safety people.

As you mentioned, as long as they bboth pass tech and wolrk its all good. However I don't think you could begin to compare the craftman ship of either cage to each other. I really don't see how it'd be opion . Regarless of that I hope the OP found some ideas from this derailed thread .

 

[Slippi84]

Interesting TIG welds... any info on what shop built that thing? Id say its not a matter of street vs function, that's the nice way of saying budget cage vs NHRA tech shop. It wouod next make me wonder, why spend money to have a cage custom made to look like a kit. So much more money coulda been saved simply buyiing a SW and welding it up.

As a person who has other caged vehicles, hell my daily is roll bard I know more about cages than most. I have and do own cars that ran and required the cgaes they have. This isn't my first trip around the block, even with DSMs. Bottom/line is I printed the pics out and took them with me to the shop when Gray Macky came to look over some certs and he said he wouldn't have passed me with that setup. Not sayin you couldn't get it passed in NY or UT but CA is full of Nazi safety people.

As you mentioned, as long as they bboth pass tech and wolrk its all good. However I don't think you could begin to compare the craftman ship of either cage to each other. I really don't see how it'd be opion . Regarless of that I hope the OP found some ideas from this derailed thread .

I couldn't have said it any different to you myself

 

[TSimage]

Lol, I don't mind havin the pretty boy car haha. And if case doubts how much the cage cost he might want to recheck the prices from a few years ago. If his cage was custom made, you'd figure it'd be roughly $3k and then imagine how much longer it took to construct the setup on Eriks old shell and then add up the labor cost alone. Not only that but The Race Shop charges a premium alone just to cary that tag. I'm not positive on the exacts but I remember the bill being rougly in the $5800 range... ya get whatcha paid for it seems.

Also excuse the typos, my phone has been lagging on me lately.

I couldn't have said it any different to you myself