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Optiskate76

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Feb 12, 2016
Pasco, Washington
Awhile back I bought a 2ga from a kid. I needed a car that I planned on commuting in. It had to be something I enjoyed because I spend more time driving to get to work and back than I do at home with my family. I was under a bit of a time crunch, I found a 2ga in my incredibly low wife mandated budget. I had never owned one before as I've always been a Jeep guy, but if I was going to get a car, then I had always been incredibly intrigued by 2g Eclipses. The only time I had to car shop was at night, which I know you should never do. The car wasn't perfect, from what I could tell it had a few minor dings, the CEL was on because of what the kid said was an O2 (he swore up and down that an O2 sensor doesn't affect how the car runs... I knew better.), the interior was far from perfect, and there was a crack in the winshield, the side skirts and door caps and hardware were in the back of the car rather than on it, but it seem like it would be an okay car if I gave it some attention. Mind you, this is a 420A car, not my first choice, but there were zero GST's or GSX's that I could find for a reasonable price in the area, let alone one that fit in my stupidly low wife mandated budget. The plan was to put a bit of money into it, fix it up, make it nice again, and then down the road sell it and pick up a GSX.

That said, I didn't realize what I was in for. I double checked the CEL with the whole key on sequence deal and it didn't throw any codes related to an O2 sensor. I ended up replacing an intake air temp sensor and it smoothed out the rough idle a little. It gave me codes for a few things, none of which I can remember any more. Then I got it on an OBDII reader, which showed me that the O2 had in fact flat lined rather than oscillating like it should have been. I ended up replacing it as well and it ran much better, it stopped running mega rich although it still had a slightly rough idle. The funny thing was, the codes that the key on sequence gave me and the OBDII reader gave me were completely different from one another. The key on sequence gave me a whole slew of codes, where as the OBDII reader only pointed to the upstream O2 sensor. Once I replaced the O2 sensor, the light went away for good.

Little did I realize that my victory would be short lived. I pulled into my drive way one day and heard a loud under hood thump. Upon inspection the belt to my AC and power steering was gone... LOL Then to my surprise, the belt to the alternator was only half a belt. When digging, I realized that I also had a cracked exhaust manifold. Which could explain the bad O2 sensor. So I ended up replacing belts and replacing the exhaust manifold with a Megan header, down pipe, and test pipe. The cat was destroyed from running so rich for so long due the kid being dumb and not replacing the O2 sensor, so I'm glad that I had bought the test pipe. I also saw that one of my struts is blown. This is also when it dawned on me that this car had been heavily modified at one point in time, then most likely stripped of the parts, returned to stock, and then sold to me. Everything is freaking loose, things are missing, stuff just doesn't add up or wasn't put back together right. The car also appears to have hit every curb in Kennwick, WA.... There isn't that many curbs here compared to a place like Seattle, but let me tell you... theres enough curbs to f*ck sh*t up. The oil pan is smashed. The cross members look like they've met concrete as well. I know this look was as I've been rock crawling Jeeps for years. Any way, the joint between the megan exhaust manifold and down pipe would not seal what so ever. I e-mailed the guys at Redline360 and they got me in touch with the people from Megan.

Did I mention victory was short lived? Well, right after that a kid smashed into the back end of my car. It was parked on the street and the kid came flying around the corner and smashed right into the back end of it. I though I was going to have to pull him out of his car and administer first aid until an ambulance got there. That is how freaking hard he hit the Eclipse. Fortunately he hopped right and started assessing the situation. Thank god he was fine. Any way, he had just got his license. I talked to his older brother and I let the kid go easy. The kid was clearly freaked out and I told him to just handle it and we wouldn't need any police reports or insurance claims. Later on I would come to realize that this would be a mistake. It definitely should have gone to insurance. They kid did take it to get it fixed and the car was gone for a couple of weeks. When I got the car back much more was fixed than the damage the kid had caused. I was initially pretty happy. His brother had paid to have it fixed, but he also pulled the two dings out on the side of the car, repainted the wing, and so forth. It wasn't until much later that I realized that the rear quarter was still pushed in about a half inch. The lines of the car and the body work done make it really hard to see.

At this point I figured I'd fix it later and that most people would never notice it. On to fixing my exhaust leak. It was incredibly bad and the only thing stopping me from driving it to work. I had planned on fixing it over a weekend, but before that could happen more bad stuff happened. I came home from work to find that the front drivers corner was smashed. My wife had hit my car. As it sits, its still not fixed. It gets better though, it messed the steering up as well. My wife swears up and down that it just needs an alignment even though I tell her that only accounts for possibly the drifting. The steering wheel shimmies back and forth like there's a dead ball joint, tie rod end, or the bushings are done. Of course, you cant feel it while driving around town, but on the freeway its almost undriveable. Let me rephrase that, its something you shouldn't drive.

Any way, I fixed the exhaust leak by finding a piece of very thing malleable metal and making my own temp gasket. They don't use a normal gasketted flange on the connection between the header and down pipe. Its more like a compression fitting. I put the metal in the bell and tightened the sh*t out of it. It formed the metal and stopped the leak. I want to pull it out eventually and find something better. However, exhaust putty did not work. It just blew it out due to the horrendous fitment between the header and down pipe. I liked Megan's stuff all, except that joint.

As if things couldn't get any worse, on a short drive in town something startled me. The oil light came on going around a corner and then turned off. I had checked the oil just prior to it getting hit the first time. I know I had a slow drip, but I hadn't driven the car hardly at all. You can see where its leaked a little around the cam sensor and it wouldn't surprise me if its also leaking around the oil pan as its met a few curbs. I had planned on replacing the oil pan when I changed the oil. The kid I bought it from had changed it a few hundred miles before I bought it and it was no where near ready for another oil change. So now I need to get to the bottom of the leaking oil. I topped the car off for now. It doesn't smoke at all and I don't think that I'm burning it. However, my vacuum is also troubling to me. Its always been low. I started finding and fixing vacuum leaks which brought the vacuum back up to about 13inHG awhile back. However it was down to about 9inHG when I looked at it recently. I found yet another leak though. When the AC is on it drops to about 8inHG and when its off it sits at about 15inHG. I'm still poking around for more leaks. Most of the ones I've fixed were hoses that were intact, but so loose that they could have just fallen off. I'm really hoping that internally there is nothing wrong. I also suspect the EGR has failed. I have block off plates for that though.

At this point I cant sell the damn thing. My wife wont let me buy another one, especially if I take a loss on this one. She has hated the car from the beginning. If I could sell it for what I got it for, which wont happen as it sits, then I'd probably stand a good chance of maybe being able to snag a GST or GSX. I'm in no hurry though. If I can get this pile of junk up and looking good and running great again, then I'll drive it while I patiently look for the right GSX. Unfortunately they seem to be incredibly hard to find around here, especially ones that haven't been completely bastardized. Most of the ones I've seen are complete crap. There have been a few that have been professionally built with receipts, which is cool, but probably more money than I want to spend. So I am in no hurry, I just want to get this GS up and rolling. Heres the kicker though.... I'm going into my 5th and last year of my apprenticeship. In our 5th year we have to do a project with is completely determined by us. I am doing my Jeeps suspension, which despite being significantly cheaper than buying a kit, a link suspension is always expensive. We're talking $60+ a joint times 16 and thats just for the heim joints, not the 3/16" and 1/4" plate to build skids, brackets, trusses for the axles, misalignment spacers, tubing adapters, coil overs, tubing, ect. So I am now working on an incredibly limited budget to get this car up and running good.

So thus far, that is how things sit. Im probably going to need a little 2g advice here and there as I've never owned one of these cars before, but thus far everything seems reasonable straight forward. I'm hoping that this process isn't horribly painful, but I have a feeling it will be. Either way, I suppose I'll document it here for any and all who are even half way interested.
 
The vacuum when the A/C is on should be less then when it's not .... since the A/C makes the car idle a little higher, so no need to worry about that. The EGR plates may not be a great idea if you have emissions where you live in Washington, even if you dont it may throw a code and keep your CEL on, making resale harder. Personally I would go to a pick and pull / junk yard find a decent looking EGR valve for 15 dollars clean it up with carb spray and see if that helps. Then post it on Craigslist whatever and see what interest arises, its close to summer and young kids are looking for something " Fast and Furous" ..play up the exhaust and recent maintence. Then get out of that car, it seems you and that car have a hate hate relationship ..LOL
 
The vacuum when the A/C is on should be less then when it's not .... since the A/C makes the car idle a little higher, so no need to worry about that. The EGR plates may not be a great idea if you have emissions where you live in Washington, even if you dont it may throw a code and keep your CEL on, making resale harder. Personally I would go to a pick and pull / junk yard find a decent looking EGR valve for 15 dollars clean it up with carb spray and see if that helps. Then post it on Craigslist whatever and see what interest arises, its close to summer and young kids are looking for something " Fast and Furous" ..play up the exhaust and recent maintence. Then get out of that car, it seems you and that car have a hate hate relationship ..LOL

LOL I don't want to hate the car. I had a friend who works at the local junk yard say that they did in fact have a few DSM's there. Possibly whole and almost drivable... As in possibly a GSX. It was tempting to go look, but in the end I don't need a project. I just need a driver. Like I said, I've got a huge project coming up. I may hit him up for parts though. Especially body parts such as trim pieces. I have 2 passengers side door caps that are no good that the kid gave me. I wanted to go all 2gb on this car at first. Not sure now. I did hose the crap out of my EGR. I gave it the shake test, which I am skeptical about. I heard a faint rattle a couple of times, but if it is moving its moving intermittently. I don't have to put the car through emissions and I have a fix of the CEL. It already has a CEL from not having a cat. I just got around to ordering the fitting to fix that yesterday. Although the downstream O2 is flat lined, so I'm not sure if its still good. It was moving before. Perhaps its just coated in crap? It did, just for a week, turn back on and work again. My CEL went off for a week and then came back on. Verified it was in fact working with my OBDII reader.

I did have the car on CL for about a week. Many people passed it by and expected a damn near perfect car. I'm going to have to fix the front suspension/steering at the very least before I sell it any way. I don't want to sell something dangerous. I plan on replacing the ball joints, tie rod ends, tie rods if they're bent, all the bushings with poly bushing, camber kit, either OE replacement struts or something reasonably cheap, and probably some new 1"-2" drop springs. I wont be into the car long an it only sees nice roads and freeway so a 2" drop doesn't bother me. Especially since I hopefully wont be in the car horribly long. Some highschool kid might like it though. I found a front fender that I might try and pick up for like $30. I may plasti dip the car too once I get all the body issues worked out. That'll really get those highschool kids. LOL I'm not going to do anything crazy with this car though. Its not worth spending the money to actually build it. I need to do what needs to be done to make it attractive to a younger crowd... god I cant believe I'm saying that. I feel so old... is 31 old? LOL
 
LOL ..I am not saying you " hate" the car ... just your relationship with car is something to be desired. Yeah, for some reason people on CL seem to think that a car being sold on there is some perfect piece of vehicle .... its like " look your on CL and its a 20 year old car, WTH do expect" ....good luck with your "big project" and this "little project'
 
LOL ..I am not saying you " hate" the car ... just your relationship with car is something to be desired. Yeah, for some reason people on CL seem to think that a car being sold on there is some perfect piece of vehicle .... its like " look your on CL and its a 20 year old car, WTH do expect" ....good luck with your "big project" and this "little project'

Thanks man. The big project is what is important. Not because it's my jeep, but because I need to finish it so that I card out. Journeyman sheetmetal workers make a decent chunk of change in these parts. This little project will be nice once it's a solid drivable car. I probably won't want to sell it when I'm done. Lol
 
Man I just skimmed through this LOL You remind me of a friend of mine that owned a GS automatic 97 Eclipse. For a long time I kept telling him to get rid of it and cut your losses, move on, get rid of it. He never listened to me until after his second motor swap. Previous to that he poured so much money into, it almost made me cry. Running or not, the car will never be worth more $1,000. I'd say $1k running, much less not running. Not to offend but even the cleanest overpriced 99 OZ 420a Eclipses go for less than $2k.

Like you said, get the car running safe, meaning essentials only and sell it. Good luck, high school kids nowadays have the internet at their fingertips so a simple Google search will tell them everything they need to know about the 420a Eclipse.
 
I know I can speak for many of us who regret just how much money and time we dumped into a 420a before upgrading to a 4g. I had three over the years, all of which (un)fortunately had horrible demises.
On the plus side, I can do most non-motor/tranny related DSM repairs in mere minutes now. :hellyeah:
 
Lol Yeah, I hear you guys. I don't really feel the need to spend a ton of cash on this car. It would be better spent on a GST or preferably a GSX. I need to get this one going so I can sell it first though. Then I have to find a decent 4g63 equipped car. It's pretty hard around here. People tend to do a lot of stupid crap to their cars, more so than just horribly neglecting them.
 
I was reading your story and MOST of it sounds like my relationship with my 2g. Bought it for a steal because it wasnt running right and it was the upstream O2. I have a couple more issues than you like the transmission is only a 4 speed and my PS Pump leaks too much to use. Mind if I ask how much you paid? I got mine for $500(I only paid $300 though)
 
I was reading your story and MOST of it sounds like my relationship with my 2g. Bought it for a steal because it wasnt running right and it was the upstream O2. I have a couple more issues than you like the transmission is only a 4 speed and my PS Pump leaks too much to use. Mind if I ask how much you paid? I got mine for $500(I only paid $300 though)

I paid $1.8k. In my area its really hard to find them at all, let alone for dirt cheap. Even 420A's go for more than most people would like to spend on them here. The average price is about $2k on CL here. Often times they start much higher. Most of the cars have issues too... Finding a semi clean car with the amount of wear and tear for a car of its age that you would expect is next to impossible. :\ Most of them around here have been run into the ground by kids.
 
I paid $1.8k. In my area its really hard to find them at all, let alone for dirt cheap. Even 420A's go for more than most people would like to spend on them here. The average price is about $2k on CL here. Often times they start much higher. Most of the cars have issues too... Finding a semi clean car with the amount of wear and tear for a car of its age that you would expect is next to impossible. :\ Most of them around here have been run into the ground by kids.
My talon was burned out and even once I spent 6 months replacing wiring harnesses and sensors, vaccum lines, intake parts, quite a bit.. It was super messed up even once I got it running. Once I did get it running I got to see how bad the brakes really were, rusted slides bolts pads falling apart. Then the head decided to warp. Then the clutch fail. Insane amount of time into fixing minor issues with my car and undoing damage done by prior owners and their neglect. -Welcome to buying a GSX. I bought a burned out one over some of the running ones I looked at if that tells you how bad most of these cars get modded and destroyed by crack heads. If I had to do it over again I wouldn't. I would buy an evoX and be done with it.

What am I left with? A car I don't feel is super reliable that I have years of my life into. I have a love hate relationship with my "marked title" talon. Yeah its been through some shit. When you consider its basically been through hell to remain stock and on the road it doesn't make sense man hahahaha.
 
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