2G Rebuild transmission?

[Chopperjeff]

For a while now I have had a hard time getting into 4th gear. When going from 3rd to 4th it would grind and not go in, but then trying again it would go OK. Would always be OK going from 5th to 4th. Then it got to the point when going from 5th to 4th became an issue, and now it basically fails to go into 4th 90% of the time whether I’m going from 3rd to 4th or 5th to 4th. So overall, it’s gotten worse.

I have a 1996 Eagle Talon AWD with about 122,000 miles. New clutch was installed about a year ago. And yes, back then the 4th gear issue was an issue.

Been reading about people putting in the synchromesh fluid and making it all better, but can’t imagine that is really going to fix my issue.

A rebuild of the tranny from a good local shop will run me about 4 grand.
Is it possible the issue is caused by something other than bad synchros?
I have a B&M quick throw shifter installed. Could that cause this issue? I doubt it though, huh, as it has gotten progressively worse.

 

[jdxnc]

A short throw shifter and/or a clutch that drags slightly will round off the teeth on the engagement rings over time. There's nothing you can pour into the trans that will fix it. Syncromesh will possibly make it shift better temporarily but being so thin it will cause more issues or possibly accelerate the issue, I'd advise against it.

I'd first test for clutch drag, if it's not the issue, you're either going to need to get it rebuilt or find a replacement.

 

[pauleyman]

For a while now I have had a hard time getting into 4th gear. When going from 3rd to 4th it would grind and not go in, but then trying again it would go OK. Would always be OK going from 5th to 4th. Then it got to the point when going from 5th to 4th became an issue, and now it basically fails to go into 4th 90% of the time whether I’m going from 3rd to 4th or 5th to 4th.
So overall, it’s gotten worse.
I have a 1996 Eagle Talon AWD with about 122,000 miles. New clutch was installed about a year ago. And yes, back then the 4th gear issue was an issue.
Been reading about people putting in the synchromesh fluid and making it all better, but can’t imagine that is really going to fix my issue.
A rebuild of the tranny from a good local shop will run me about 4 grand.
Is it possible the issue is caused by something other than bad synchros?
I have a B&M quick throw shifter installed. Could that cause this issue?

I doubt it though, huh, as it has gotten progressively worth.

4 grand? I'd like to see a list of parts. Unless they are a DSM shop no way would I pay them 4 grand. The attention to detail won't be there.

Back when the cars were new dealers didn't even do it right. Most of them wouldn't touch it, they would just install a new trans. I find it highly unlikely even a professional shop would get it right unless they are a manual trans shop specialist.

Try TMZ

AWD DSM

www.tmzperformance.com

 

[Chopperjeff]

4 grand? I'd like to see a list of parts. Unless they are a dsm shop no way would I pay them 4 grand. The attention to detail won't be there. Back when the cars were new dealers didn't even do it right. Most of them wouldn't touch it, they would just install a new trans. I find it highly unlikely even a professional shop would get it right unless they are a manual trans shop specialist.
Try TMZ

AWD DSM

www.tmzperformance.com

Yeah, I know the 4 grand seems crazy. The local shop is called Shuck's transmission. Here's their web site:

Transmission Shop | Livermore, CA | Schuck's Transmission

Schuck's Transmission is your trusted transmission shop in Livermore, CA. We offer repairs, rebuilds, and more. Call us at (925) 828-9699 for free estimates.

www.schuckstransmission.com

They do specialize in transmissions.

They replaced my clutch last year. The 4th gear was having issues then, which they noticed.

I'll check out the TMZ place you mentioned. Thanks!

A short throw shifter and/or a clutch that drags slightly will round off the teeth on the engagement rings over time. There's nothing you can pour into the trans that will fix it. Syncromesh will possibly make it shift better temporarily but being so thin it will cause more issues or possibly accelerate the issue, I'd advise against it.

I'd first test for clutch drag, if it's not the issue, you're either going to need to get it rebuilt or find a replacement.

OK, thanks! I'll check out that "clutch drag" you mentioned.

 

[luv2rallye]

You probably have a damaged/worn sync ring (aka blocker ring), sync sleeve (aka slider), sync hub, or 4th gear engagement teeth (teeth right of the main gear teeth in below pic which are part of the gear).

Could also be bearings worn and so bearings preload/end play now incorrect, or even loose gear stack shafts 36mm nuts. They all require rebuild (although the 36mm nuts can be examined if the rear cover is removed with the tranny still in the car).

I did mine but I wouldn't advise it unless you have the tools, time, the real Mitsubishi service manual, and know what you're doing. The pic below shows 4th gear with the sync sleeve (aka slider) engaged in 3rd gear.

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[pauleyman]

Yeah, I know the 4 grand seems crazy. The local shop is called Shuck's transmission. Here's their web site:

Transmission Shop | Livermore, CA | Schuck's Transmission

Schuck's Transmission is your trusted transmission shop in Livermore, CA. We offer repairs, rebuilds, and more. Call us at (925) 828-9699 for free estimates.

www.schuckstransmission.com

They do specialize in transmissions.

They replaced my clutch last year. The 4th gear was having issues then, which they noticed.

I'll check out the TMZ place you mentioned. Thanks!


OK, thanks! I'll check out that "clutch drag" you mentioned.

Just noticed you joined yesterday. If you aren't aware there aren't many DSM specialty shops. TMZ is one of them. Check out the vendors list on this site. If you haven't done so fill out a vehicle profile.

 

[Chopperjeff]

Just noticed you joined yesterday. If you aren't aware there aren't many DSM specialty shops. TMZ is one of them. Check out the vendors list on this site. If you haven't done so fill out a vehicle profile.

Yeah, I'm a newbie! Will do the vehicle profile. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[1990dsmkid]

I will say TMZ is backed up for next couple months. Talked to him (Tim) about rebuilding a transmission for me that's how I know. Jacks transmission, TRE aka teamrip and bastarddsm (Kurt) on here are others ones to talk to.

 

[Chopperjeff]

I will say TMZ is backed up for next couple months. Talked to him (Tim) about rebuilding a transmission for me that's how I know. Jacks transmission, TRE aka teamrip and bastarddsm (Kurt) on here are others ones to talk to.

I just checked out the Jacks Transmission web site. Looks like an interesting option. I would need to take my car into a shop though and have them remove and then install the transmission. Does that involve many hours of labor? There's a good shop very close by to my home that could probably do that.

Was thinking of using them to change my timing belt which is due. Maybe I could have them pull the tranny while they work on that.
You guys got me thinking now!
Much appreciative of the info!

With all the work that I now need, which involves rebuilding the tranny, having the timing belt done, oh and my A/C compressor is shot and needs replacing. I toyed with the idea of just replacing the car with a different used car, but I really hate to part with my Talon!

Financially it might make sense to “throw in the towel”, but emotionally I can’t help to think that staying with my Talon is best.

 

[luv2rallye]

Be careful of who you let do the timing belt. The DSM's use a special procedure which shops that haven't done DSM timing belts before usually don't know and they often do it incorrectly (thinking it's easy, and that all cars are the same, and they're the mechanic and so know better than you, blah, blah, blah).

The result can end up bending your valves (and you'll end up paying while it's in court for years costing you $1000's in lawyer fees) - there are so many posts on this. I NEVER let anyone but me touch my timing belt.

 

[Chopperjeff]

Would Jacks transmission be the best way to go if I decide to get a rebuilt tranny! Instead of spending 4 grand to have a local shop do the rebuild, I am now thinking of just getting a rebuilt tranny from an online place, and have a guy I found that does work on cars as a hobby do the tranny swap.