PTE GT3561 - Installed and Dyno'd

[squeak10686]

He's the tuner.. I'm the 19 year old retard who forget to check for boost leaks before I went to the dyno because the butt dyno was feeling good...

and btw it wasnt 39psi it was 36.4

Spearco intercooler... 33 by 12.5 by 3.5

If the turbo was out of its efficency range than 68 degree intake temps are looking pretty good to me

 

[Slippi84]

Whose hatin look at andrews other post i defended the kid when everyone was saying he shoudl make more power. My point is not that andrew should have made more power it's that he should have been runing that much boost to get that hp. I hate to point the finger but you should have leveled with the kid and told him that something was wrong. YOUR expertise should have told you something up the lines of a boost leak was present. A place with a dyno surely isn't above a boost leak tester. OK let me ask some of the right questions like why dind't you check out the car and look over things after that huge mishap on the second run. The place that is the dsm guru's of dyno tuning aorund me would not have even let me attempt to run 36.37282643846383763 psi after the car did that on the second run. I am no expert tuner and would bet the house you know more about tuning then I do. My problem is that you didn't check out and overlook the car and find out why it wasn't flowing what it shoudl have been at 36.38303860836023 psi. I know the kid had a logger so why not just see how many lbs/min the turbo was flowing. With your tuning experience it shoudl have been obvious with the lack of air flow at such a high psi level that something wasn't right. Andrew you shoudl go get a 100 dollar 7 bolt and head and go back to the dyno minus that boost leak and work your way up from like 20 psi tuning for a good a/f ratio and watching timing and I will bet that you hit 455whp before 36psi that is all my point is.

 

[dieselgeek]

It's quite possible there was more power in it at LOWER boost, although at his low IATs I wouldn't expect that to be true - more a case of, picking up power from lower exhaust restriction while building less boost. The knowledgable contributors here seem to agree he's well beyond a reasonable max CFM on the intake manifold.


Slippi, I think the point YOU are missing is that we took the car to the dyno at the END OF THE MOTOR'S LIFESPAN. It ran all summer long, lots of street pulls and track passes, and he wanted to see what it was making in that state of tune. This wasn't a "bring me your car to have perfectly dyno tuned," it was "let's see what it's making, and if it'll take a 100-shot and possibly break some records" kind of deal.

 

[Slippi84]

Ok see that's all you had to say. Andrew made said you were the tuner. From what yo tellin me it just sounds like your the smart guy that was there to just make sure the dyno pulls were done right. Well it would have been ineresting if you would have used to spray.

 

[coltboostin]

If the turbo was out of its efficency range than 68 degree intake temps are looking pretty good to me

So let me get this right...

Your Air to Air intercooler was cooling the intake temps witch I will GARUNTEE with your set up were near or over 300deg F down to @ or less than Ambient air temp?



Lets be more than ####ing serious here. Send me the link where I can get this intercooler forged by Jesus Christ himself.

 

[coltboostin]

Sean -

If you're so knowledgable and this is common fact, why aren't you asking better questions?


I don't see anyone on here asking where our MAP signal is taken from. I don't se anyone asking about our timing strategy...

Is it fact that 37psi (not 39, not 104, not 123987) before a restrictive manifold MIGHT not mean 37psi inside the combustion chamber???

I know and have seen the map for his turbo. I know we were a few clicks above ideal efficiency on the turbo. I also know what our intake air temps were (something else I don't hear you asking about, in your expertise), and I know the practical limits of all these involved.

Personally, I didn't set the boost level - I made the car run where he wanted it to run, period.

Long story short, anyone with a negative comment here is a hater. No one's been able to show me THEIR dyno charts with similar combos doing any better. SHow us some of yours and I'll be a little more supportive of your responses...

Its not a 2g, but.....

http://thelotspot.com/videos/dyno433.wmv

This is a BONE stock motor, with an even less efficient 60-1@28psi. It made 445whp befor it left.

 

[dieselgeek]

So let me get this right...

Your Air to Air intercooler was cooling the intake temps with I will GARUNTEE with your set up were near or over 300deg F down to at or Befor Ambient air temp?



Lets be more than ####ing serious here. Send me the link where I can get this intercooler forged by Jesus Christ himself.

Was that a serious post?

if so, you got the post-intercooler temps right. I'm pretty sure your comment about 300 degree IATs - that you GUARANTEE??? - are more than a little exaggerated

 

[coltboostin]

Was that a serious post?

if so, you got the post-intercooler temps right. I'm pretty sure your comment about 300 degree IATs - that you GUARANTEE??? - are more than a little exaggerated

I have seen pre-intercooler temps near 300 deg on several occasions (logged by AEM), all of them with trubos pushed WAY pasted their efficiancy, such as the case we have here.

So No, I am not exaggeration. I think 68 deg with what he was doing is little more than a pipe dream.

 

[dieselgeek]

I have seen pre-intercooler temps near 300 deg on several occasions (logged by AEM), all of them with trubos pushed WAY pasted their efficiancy, such as the case we have here.

So No, I am not exaggeration. I think 68 deg with what he was doing is little more than a pipe dream.

I hate to burst your tuner's bubble: our intake air temps were 68 degrees farenheit. But what's more interesting is your claim that you have seen 300 degree intake air temps on ANY motor. Is that in Kelvin? ??? because if you mean fahrenheit, you are very mistaken.

Typical pump gas starts boiling somewhere past 180 degrees F. If you fed 300 degree intake air to a motor, first of all you'd make no power... second, it'd be half-ignited by the time it got to the combustion chamber, and even then if it did - it would preignite long before the piston reached the point where the spark plug was going to set it off.


So I'll ask again - you claim you have seen 300 degree intake air temps logged on your AEM before the intercooler? I'd suggest it's time to send the AEM back to AEM and figure out what your problem was, because unless you are mistaken twice, no gasoline motor is going to make power with intake air temps like that. What kind of fuel were you "running" when you logged this????????????

 

[dieselgeek]

I did some searching, I found that in extreme cases (mostly racing supercharger applications) that some blowers can indeed approach 300 degrees if their intakes are sucking hot air from under the hood. Vortech was the only vendor I saw discussing this online, and it was an advertisement for their "Mondo Cooler" which I've seen run on many race mustangs. We're talking 1700-2100hp race motors, and ALL of them run the mondo cooler, which they claim can take as much as 150-200 degrees from your intake air temps.

again, this is on 118-octane race fuel designed for burning in hotter air.


That impresses me, our dyno guy recommends stopping well below 180 degrees, especially on pump or mild race fuel.


Anyhow, I can show you andrew's logs, he was peaking out at 68 degrees F on most runs, I think the back-to-back pulls he saw 71 degrees F at one point. Remember this was done in late fall in Nebraska, outside air temp was in the high 40s that night and the shop door was open. Ambient temps in the shop were around 60 degrees.



in case that helps anyone here.

 

[Slippi84]

I did some searching, I found that in extreme cases (mostly racing supercharger applications) that some blowers can indeed approach 300 degrees if their intakes are sucking hot air from under the hood. Vortech was the only vendor I saw discussing this online, and it was an advertisement for their "Mondo Cooler" which I've seen run on many race mustangs. We're talking 1700-2100hp race motors, and ALL of them run the mondo cooler, which they claim can take as much as 150-200 degrees from your intake air temps.

again, this is on 118-octane race fuel designed for burning in hotter air.


That impresses me, our dyno guy recommends stopping well below 180 degrees, especially on pump or mild race fuel.


Anyhow, I can show you andrew's logs, he was peaking out at 68 degrees F on most runs, I think the back-to-back pulls he saw 71 degrees F at one point. Remember this was done in late fall in Nebraska, outside air temp was in the high 40s that night and the shop door was open. Ambient temps in the shop were around 60 degrees.



in case that helps anyone here.

My olny problem with this is that it was 40 some degrees and you had the doors open. Crazy ass white guys .

 

[coltboostin]

I hate to burst your tuner's bubble: our intake air temps were 68 degrees farenheit. But what's more interesting is your claim that you have seen 300 degree intake air temps on ANY motor. Is that in Kelvin? ??? because if you mean fahrenheit, you are very mistaken.

Typical pump gas starts boiling somewhere past 180 degrees F. If you fed 300 degree intake air to a motor, first of all you'd make no power... second, it'd be half-ignited by the time it got to the combustion chamber, and even then if it did - it would preignite long before the piston reached the point where the spark plug was going to set it off.


So I'll ask again - you claim you have seen 300 degree intake air temps logged on your AEM before the intercooler? I'd suggest it's time to send the AEM back to AEM and figure out what your problem was, because unless you are mistaken twice, no gasoline motor is going to make power with intake air temps like that. What kind of fuel were you "running" when you logged this????????????

If your took time to read, I said pre-intercooler. You are his boy, of course you will back it up. Hope you were not the one tuning it, because those guys were obviously a real crack team.

I will try and dig up the EMS logs.