PTE GT3561 - Installed and Dyno'd

[6damian6]

A full tdo6h 20g can put down 400+whp. 360 with race gas is nothing overly impressive for a 20g.

Just because it is a PTE doesnt mean it is a Mitsu Hybrid. PTE makes turbo's for vehicals other than DSM's. This turbo is a full garret unit, witgh a garret turbine housing. They are cheaper than Hybrids, you can get full garrets with a rediculous amout of wheel, trim, and AR choices for as little as 550$ shipped.

COLTBOOSTIN,

just wondering were u get full garrets for 550$ shipped?

thanks
-Damian

 

[1SloColt]

Any why others can not see this is still beyond me.

I still dont know why people can not come to terms, that all these Hybrids and whatnot, have GT35 Comp sections, not GT40.

You can not purchase ANY GT40 turbo from Garrett with a 61mm inducer, plain and simple, but since some bonehead vendors place "GT40 compressor section" the description of their turbo's, everyone blindly believes it.

To all who question, I offer one challenge. Call Garrett Honeywell industries, and try order a true GT40 turbo with a 61mm compressor wheel. Let us know what they say.

In the end, it does not matter. Although it is a GT35 compressor, which there is NO room to argue, all the hybrids with 61m GT35 Compressor have been proven to be very solid choices.

Basically this guys turbo is a full garrett SC61 with an S cover. Nice choice BTW. That turbo has a 56 trim compressor wheel that you are not able to get in a GT40 turbo, you are totally correct about that. But the name of the compressor wheel is called "GT40" in the SC61. You can name the wheel what ever the fock you want to name it, it doesn't have to relate to the name of the turbo. The gt35r takes a gt35 turbine wheel, with a ball bearing center section and slapped a compressor wheel which they NAMED the gt40 compressor wheel onto it. Just because they NAMED it the gt40 compressor wheel doesn't mean you can only call it a GT40 turbo.

 

[squeak10686]

my stock 7 bolt was pushing well over 500 crank HP with arp's and comp 101200 cams.. its all in the tuning

 

[1SloColt]

my stock 7 bolt was pushing well over 500 crank HP with arp's and comp 101200 cams.. its all in the tuning

This statement should be read by everyone on this board. I get so tired of people saying or believing that a stock bottomened 4g63 isn't good for +500whp. Its not good for most people cause their car is tuned like ass and it blows up but like this guy says here, if you truly know how to tune then you can squeeze out a lot of power from the stock bottom end.

 

[ISUJakey]

my stock 7 bolt was pushing well over 500 crank HP with arp's and comp 101200 cams.. its all in the tuning

Where's the dyno chart?

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

Is there any reason why you changed to a T3 Turbine housing over the Mitsu, This may sound like a dumb question but i have always wondered if the T3 Style Turbine housings flow more than the Mitsu Style housings? I Am currently running a Stage 3 ported and polished head with the new SBR Manifold with the 38mm wastegate hole which just dwarfs the old EVO III manifold in runner size and porting. I have a 60-1 RS60T that I'm trying to get rid of and get a Scm6152eBB which is the ball bearing version of your turbo... Do you think the mitsu housing would perform just as well?

 

[Terrorize]

also what is the scm6152e?

i think its just an scm61 ball bearing with a t350 wheel, correct me if im wrong guys

 

[definitiveno]

Is there any reason why you changed to a T3 Turbine housing over the Mitsu, This may sound like a dumb question but i have always wondered if the T3 Style Turbine housings flow more than the Mitsu Style housings? I Am currently running a Stage 3 ported and polished head with the new SBR Manifold with the 38mm wastegate hole which just dwarfs the old EVO III manifold in runner size and porting. I have a 60-1 RS60T that I'm trying to get rid of and get a Scm6152eBB which is the ball bearing version of your turbo... Do you think the mitsu housing would perform just as well?

I do not believe so. The exhaust opening on a garett's turbo is spec'ed exactly to the needs of the turbine wheel. What a mitsu housing does is completely ignore the needs of the turbines and refits the housing to bolt on to your stock o2 housing. It'd design makes it a "bolt on" and garett's design is to the enhance flow to the best of their software's ability.

Mitsu is less than optimum, but still good.

 

[squeak10686]

This statement should be read by everyone on this board. I get so tired of people saying or believing that a stock bottomened 4g63 isn't good for +500whp. Its not good for most people cause their car is tuned like ass and it blows up but like this guy says here, if you truly know how to tune then you can squeeze out a lot of power from the stock bottom end.

Its the truth... feel free to get on to 1320video.com download the 10/7 video, you can see my 11.949 @ 120, on top of that there are other vids of me racing gixxer 600's from a roll and also a 500whp from a roll and beating them both, feel free to get on there and look
thanks
Andrew

P.S im 19 bitches.

 

[ISUJakey]

Its the truth... feel free to get on to 1320video.com download the 10/7 video, you can see my 11.949 @ 120, on top of that there are other vids of me racing gixxer 600's from a roll and also a 500whp from a roll and beating them both, feel free to get on there and look
thanks
Andrew

P.S im 19 bitches.

So? Don't sit here and talk about you being at X whp without a dyno chart. It's good to hear that you're 19, I'm 22, what's your point, bi***?
P.S.- I personally know BrnOutKing so if that makes me special, fabulous.

 

[Hammer_Gaidin]

I tried to get on 1320video..but seems to be down. As for 500 hp on stock 7 bolt, it's possible. But how long will that motor last is the real question.

 

[squeak10686]

I tried to get on 1320video..but seems to be down. As for 500 hp on stock 7 bolt, it's possible. But how long will that motor last is the real question.

around 1400 miles right now (* weekend*) driven car and its snowing, but the motor still has perfect compression across the board and runs great.

 

[ISUJakey]

around 1400 miles right now (* weekend*) driven car and its snowing, but the motor still has perfect compression across the board and runs great.

Why do you keep avoiding my question? Where is the dyno chart showing what your engine is actually putting down to the ground?

 

[squeak10686]

yea check my thread you started stuff in of mine... 456WHP which is more than 500 crank WHP like I stated

 

[squeak10686]

and btw, you wonna compare torque 416ft lbs of torque

 

[dieselgeek]

Why do you keep avoiding my question? Where is the dyno chart showing what your engine is actually putting down to the ground?

455whp and 415ft lbs at the wheel on Andrew's car. Most have seen the vid and told us how stupid we are as tuners, whereas I believe ARP rod bolts would have tolerated the 100-shot we were about to put to it.

Some said Andrew was "just trying to blow up his motor" - well, this dyno run was at the END of the season. We didn't really care if it blew up or not, wanted to see what it was making since it ran so strong on the street.

What I've learned in the DSM community, once you post up numbers, vid and dyno chart, people break into two distinct classes: Those who are slower than you and tell you all about your mistakes, that you don't know sh!t about tuning, etc; and those who have made similar power to you, and congratulate you because they already figured out that all the haters have a "friend whose car made way more power on less mods"


Shake the hate. Andrew will be back with a built bottom end, help from Slowboy, and hopeully retain the title of "fastest megasquirt'd DSM"

 

[coltboostin]

455whp and 415ft lbs at the wheel on Andrew's car. Most have seen the vid and told us how stupid we are as tuners, whereas I believe ARP rod bolts would have tolerated the 100-shot we were about to put to it.

Some said Andrew was "just trying to blow up his motor" - well, this dyno run was at the END of the season. We didn't really care if it blew up or not, wanted to see what it was making since it ran so strong on the street.

What I've learned in the DSM community, once you post up numbers, vid and dyno chart, people break into two distinct classes: Those who are slower than you and tell you all about your mistakes, that you don't know sh!t about tuning, etc; and those who have made similar power to you, and congratulate you because they already figured out that all the haters have a "friend whose car made way more power on less mods"


Shake the hate. Andrew will be back with a built bottom end, help from Slowboy, and hopeully retain the title of "fastest megasquirt'd DSM"

I am not hating on the car, the dyno, or any of that-but somthing was done wrong in that room.

I made 498whp and 425ft lbs with a stock bottom end and a 60-1@30psi. My set up was almost DEAD ON to his, with the exception of my tubular manifold. I dont have the chart on my computer, but my 136mph trap speed is proof enough.

As far as this car, The questions I have are-

What turbo was on the car? If it is the 60trim as reported to me, then there was NO NEED tp have the boost past 30psi, that turbo looses efficiency way befor that, let alone 35psi. Also, the power seemed low for the given boost level. If I was tunning that car, I would have turned to boost down, or if the owner wanted it that high, pulled the car off the dyno. Basically, you were asking for it. Both of these problems I would consider tunning issues.

 

[Precision]

Awsome nubers man, let us know how it all works out in the 1/4.

 

[coltboostin]

Awsome nubers man, let us know how it all works out in the 1/4.

The car is question here (squeaky's) has been blown up. Before that, I believe it went 11.8? I could be worng.


If you were talking to [email protected]

 

[ISUJakey]

blah blah blah

blah blah blah

You two can sit and ramble all you want, I really couldn't care any less. The point of the posts I along with others made were that there were horsepower claims being stated without any hard dynamometer numbers. What's so fcuking complicated about that? You now have numbers to back up your claims, a blown up car, and a philosophy about the DSM community, congratulations and Happy Valentine's Day.

 

[Slippi84]

I'm gonna have to side with the other guys on this one. I posted in your thread and still congradualte you for makin 455whp on a stock 7 bolt bottom end I have a stock 6 bolt with arp studs and MLS going for 500awhp and low 11's high 10's with the right tuning of course. The facts are the facts though. You don't or atleast shouldn't need 39 pounds of boost to make 455whp. I'm not saying this because I know that people with yoru same turbo have made more hp with less boost i'm saying this just by the simple fact that it's comon knowledge. It's like saying a 14b spools faster than a 50 trim it's just known. I mean look at the guy who started this thread he did it with 25psi. The turbo just stops makin power after a certain point. It's like someone trying to run 30psi on a 14b you just start to force hot air into your engine. That's not even the thing that was the most disturbing about the tuning session though. After the second run or atleast the second run in the clip where you saw the huge misfire or mishap in the dyno graph why not atleast stop and try to figure out what happend. 30 minutes of doing a quick check over the car or even backin off untill you knew why it happend could have saved the engine. Granted you guys were gonna build a bottom end and make the car bad ass anyway but I'm not buying that the fact that you just toasted a perfectly good block doesn't suck ass.

 

[squeak10686]

Good post by slippi and I'll agree with you 100%

On the dyno the car will run different than on the street, and on stock ignition the pulls were much longer and the tune needed to be changed a little bit...

that miss you saw was spark blow out on the stock ignition... the dwell was set a tad lower than what was needed to keep it going.

Was there something wrong with having to run that much boost... the answer I would say is YES and I have said before that I founda pretty decent sized boost leak after the session on the intake manifold gasket on the 3rd and 4th runner...

Was it misfortion sure, Am I dissapointed at all, hell no I'm not.... I now have a fully built bottom end... a 4067 *** full t4*** I'm going out this year and I am going to run TONS faster than what I ran last year.

Its a part of learning and thats what the board is for.

It is my fault for getting on here and posting numbers even though we knew it was over, but thats alright. Proof is proof... If i cared about it I would go pick up another 100 dollor seven bolt and head right back to the dyno... but I am satisfied until next year.
andrew

 

[dieselgeek]

The facts are the facts though. You don't or atleast shouldn't need 39 pounds of boost to make 455whp. I'm not saying this because I know that people with yoru same turbo have made more hp with less boost i'm saying this just by the simple fact that it's comon knowledge.

this is what I find most interesting, and exemplifies my point.

WHere did you find that it is FACT that X turbo will make Y power at Z boost?!? Is this on the internet somewhere? Let me guess: you READ on the internet that it should make this power at whatever boost, so that makes it fact.


This is where I'll refer you to people ACTUALLY going faster than you. I read a post by JohnTSI on here the other day that summed it up best: he said, "you cannot trust what you read as 'common knowledge' on the internet and expect to be that fast."


No offense, I appreciate your post that tries to be fair and balanced, but this is my point exactly: UNTIL YOU MAKE A NUMBER, don't comment negatively on anyone else making a certain number unless it is LESS than what you did.

Because frankly, there's a bunch of "common knowledge" on the internet that's being perceived as "fact" and it's total BS, period. Once YOU step up to the plate, put down some big numbers, YOU aren't going to know this. So, I apologize for being harsh - the problem is, I forget that you aren't someone who yet understands that it takes more than reading "the internet" to understand how to go fast. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers - let me konw how YOU feel once you stepped up and made similar power with the same, or less, mods to the car.


Can't wait for Andrew's combo nexdt year. I feel like we did the best we could on the parts he had, and I feel ready for the next level in DSM power tuning. We'll keep everyone here posted, and next time we won't get all riled up by all these guys who "know we're doing something wrong because they read it on the internet"


See you at the track!! (and Drag Week, and Bonneville Speed Week, and the Pump Gas Drags, and the Maxton Mile, and etc. etc.)

-scott

 

[Slippi84]

this is what I find most interesting, and exemplifies my point.

WHere did you find that it is FACT that X turbo will make Y power at Z boost?!? Is this on the internet somewhere? Let me guess: you READ on the internet that it should make this power at whatever boost, so that makes it fact.


This is where I'll refer you to people ACTUALLY going faster than you. I read a post by JohnTSI on here the other day that summed it up best: he said, "you cannot trust what you read as 'common knowledge' on the internet and expect to be that fast."


No offense, I appreciate your post that tries to be fair and balanced, but this is my point exactly: UNTIL YOU MAKE A NUMBER, don't comment negatively on anyone else making a certain number unless it is LESS than what you did.

Because frankly, there's a bunch of "common knowledge" on the internet that's being perceived as "fact" and it's total BS, period. Once YOU step up to the plate, put down some big numbers, YOU aren't going to know this. So, I apologize for being harsh - the problem is, I forget that you aren't someone who yet understands that it takes more than reading "the internet" to understand how to go fast. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers - let me konw how YOU feel once you stepped up and made similar power with the same, or less, mods to the car.


Can't wait for Andrew's combo nexdt year. I feel like we did the best we could on the parts he had, and I feel ready for the next level in DSM power tuning. We'll keep everyone here posted, and next time we won't get all riled up by all these guys who "know we're doing something wrong because they read it on the internet"


See you at the track!! (and Drag Week, and Bonneville Speed Week, and the Pump Gas Drags, and the Maxton Mile, and etc. etc.)

-scott

Scott I see where your coming from and your opinion is def fair. Problem is I don't agree and I don't think that everyone else does either. 39psi is too much for the output this setup made. Andrew even came on here HIMSELF and said that it was cause of a boost leak at the manifold. So while I hear you and understand you your just wrong. A 50 trim is a turbo that shines between 20psi to maybe like 35 psi I know this because I USED TO RUN ONE!!! The turbo gets out of it's effeciency range when you start running more just the same way a 14b does around like 25+psi I know this also because I have RUN ONE OF THESE TOO!! Now there are ways such as meth and propane injection and huge fmic's that you can get away with still makin power at higher psi levels but the turbo is not needed to wind up to those psi levels to make reliable good power. I'm sorry if I RUFFLED YOUR FEATHERS but my knowledge is not internet knowledge it's real world knowledge both from my car and close friends cars. WHat yoru saying is like sayin because none of us have seen a man on the moon with our own two eye just on tv and in books that we can say a man's been on the moon???? Some stuff is comon knowledge due to facts and this is one of them.


Sean

 

[dieselgeek]

Sean -

If you're so knowledgable and this is common fact, why aren't you asking better questions?


I don't see anyone on here asking where our MAP signal is taken from. I don't se anyone asking about our timing strategy...

Is it fact that 37psi (not 39, not 104, not 123987) before a restrictive manifold MIGHT not mean 37psi inside the combustion chamber???

I know and have seen the map for his turbo. I know we were a few clicks above ideal efficiency on the turbo. I also know what our intake air temps were (something else I don't hear you asking about, in your expertise), and I know the practical limits of all these involved.

Personally, I didn't set the boost level - I made the car run where he wanted it to run, period.

Long story short, anyone with a negative comment here is a hater. No one's been able to show me THEIR dyno charts with similar combos doing any better. SHow us some of yours and I'll be a little more supportive of your responses...