1G Power steering pump removal and delete.

[scott90gsx420]

Ok guys so ive gotten tired of my power steering pump in the car.. Ive read around a lot and just want some clear thoughts on whether or not to remove it.

The pump leaks a bit due to the bolt on the bottom being stripped. The lines leak in the back somewhere and im just plain tires of going through a qt. of fluid a month(tops sometimes its faster.) Ive use stop leak all that and its just getting worse..

I want thoughts on removing it? Should i remove it or just deal with it ?? my old crx had no PS so i know it will make the steering tighter and stuff but i want to know if il run into any issues or what i should/shouldn't do when removing it..

Thanks guys.

 

[99gst_racer]

Manual rack swap?

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[motozachl]

IMO just replace the faulty PS components. I agree that having no PS wasn't the funnest thing in the world. You could simply loop the lines at the stearing column and test to see how it feels and leave the rest connected incase you want to put it back on.

 

[Xtreme Legion]

I looped mine at the rack and removed all components. Feels fine

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[97gst_spyder]

Yea, I ran without P/S for 3 days... worst 3 days of my life...

On a side note my car without ps was a ton harder to turn compared to other 2g's, noone knows why.

 

[95talongirl]

Agreed. If you really want it gone; look for a manual rack to replace the one in there. Since the power rack is designed for use with hydraulics, it is a total SOB to drive. The manual rack was designed for use without PS, so it's much more user friendly.

I used to have an '86 Fiero with a manual rack and it wasn't bad to drive... but I drove a turbo shadow that had a power rack/ps delete and it was terrible. Made the fact the car runs 12's not as enjoyable!

 

[scott90gsx420]

Ya id get a manual and will eventually but ive got no cash for that right now im saving up to buy a new wideband as mine shit out.. I talked to evil eagle(Jake montgomery. If you don't know who he is u don't deserve a dsm haha look it up on youtube and ul see) but i gave him a hit up on our local forum hear and he said to remove it he did it with his talon right after he boguht it and drove it like that untill he retired it in 2008. Im just going to pull it loop the line and if i dont like it pick up all the new hoses and a new PS pump and throw it back in.
Thanks guys

Alright well im back with news on how it is without power steering on a PS rack.. Its not bad at all.. I didn't drain all of the power steering fluid either..
Ya you definitely can tell the difference buts its not like were girls right??Well maby some of us but ya .
Steering at high speeds isn't hard at all there is some resistance but not enough to worry about and at slow speeds you have to turn with both hands if its a steep turn..

Im going to drain the rest of the fluid from the rack and i think that will make it even better. But all in all my PS pump and all the accessories are gone and i don't see them going back in anytime soon.
Thanks everyone for the help.

 

[pazsion]

don't drain the fluids... keep those in check and change at standard intervals. it'll help keep things in good condition. If it's hard, try doing 30 push-ups... if you can't make it to 30, keep the power steering or start working out.

the other reason it could be abnormally hard, is that the fluid is meeting a point of resistence...bent tubes or no place for fluid to travel. or the seals,rack, and mounting points are warn out. Or over tightened.

I've had no issues without PS at all. except recently... state inspectors expect there to be a ps pump. So now i'm looking for a swap, or modded rack and a shop that will install it or simply pass it. If installed by a shop with documentation, it should pass... By what's stated in the law, removeing the pump, is allowed. And it should have passed. As it has nothing to do with safety.

Virginia State Police - Safety Division

8. – INSPECT STEERING & SUSPENSION FOR: (Jack up front end as shown in Manual)

•Wear in bushings, kingpins, ball joints, wheel bearings, tie rod ends.
•Looseness of gear box on frame, condition of drag link and steering arm.
•Play in steering wheel.
•Wheel alignment and axle alignment.
•Broken spring leaves, and worn shackles.
•Shock absorbers.
•Broken frame.
•Broken or missing engine mounts.
•Lift blocks.

16. – INSPECT HOOD AND AREA UNDER THE HOOD FOR:

•Operating condition of hood latch.
•Presence of emissions system -Evidence that any essential parts have been removed, rendered inoperative or disconnected.
•Fluid levels that are below the proper level
1. Brake fluid.
2. Power steering fluid.
•Power steering belt - proper tension, wear, or absence.

the actual law, LIS > Administrative Code > 19VAC30-70-110

3. Any modification has been made to the front end suspension which reduces turning radius, bypasses safety components of original steering mechanism or if there is any lateral movement between the axle and frame.

 

[scott90gsx420]

don't drain the fluids... keep those in check and change at standard intervals. it'll help keep things in good condition. If it's hard, try doing 30 push-ups... if you can't make it to 30, keep the power steering or start working out.

the other reason it could be abnormally hard, is that the fluid is meeting a point of resistence...bent tubes or no place for fluid to travel. or the seals,rack, and mounting points are warn out. Or over tightened.

I've had no issues without PS at all. except recently... state inspectors expect there to be a ps pump. So now i'm looking for a swap, or modded rack and a shop that will install it or simply pass it. If installed by a shop with documentation, it should pass... By what's stated in the law, removeing the pump, is allowed. And it should have passed. As it has nothing to do with safety.

Virginia State Police - Safety Division

8. – INSPECT STEERING & SUSPENSION FOR: (Jack up front end as shown in Manual)

•Wear in bushings, kingpins, ball joints, wheel bearings, tie rod ends.
•Looseness of gear box on frame, condition of drag link and steering arm.
•Play in steering wheel.
•Wheel alignment and axle alignment.
•Broken spring leaves, and worn shackles.
•Shock absorbers.
•Broken frame.
•Broken or missing engine mounts.
•Lift blocks.

16. – INSPECT HOOD AND AREA UNDER THE HOOD FOR:

•Operating condition of hood latch.
•Presence of emissions system -Evidence that any essential parts have been removed, rendered inoperative or disconnected.
•Fluid levels that are below the proper level
1. Brake fluid.
2. Power steering fluid.
•Power steering belt - proper tension, wear, or absence.

the actual law, LIS > Administrative Code > 19VAC30-70-110

3. Any modification has been made to the front end suspension which reduces turning radius, bypasses safety components of original steering mechanism or if there is any lateral movement between the axle and frame.

Lol well seeming ive been driving the car for a while without it and havent had any issues then i doubt i need pushups.. And i dont think we have any inspector issues out hear but idk ...

 

[starktech1]

manual rack swap on my buddys eclipse, not too bad of a difference

 

[kennygw]

I have a manuel rack in mine, its not bad at all. It's not a wise idea to just loop the lines because your rack is hydraulically assisted. The internals of it aren't as beefy as a manuel because it has help from the pump. A manuel rack is alot stronger cause it has to be due to no pump. Plus you will typically get alot of steering wheel play if you or make it feel like your suspension is completely shot when going around corners at 70. I got an extra manuel rack i would let you have for 140. It was new when i got it and i put 500 miles on it.

 

[mattmullin]

I have had my line looped at the rack for a few years now without a problem, I will admit its a bit much when im doing drift days, So I'm hookin up a mr2 electric pump on a high/low/off switch just to make drifting a lil easier..

 

[1990AWD]

I just looped my lines on the rack and kept the power steering rack. I wanted the faster turning rate that the PS rack has over the manual rack.

PS rack with no pump isn't all that bad, only in parking lots do you have to make an effort to steer.

 

[fallenauthority]

Look in the tech articles, there is a article by auto rst on depowering a powersteering rack. I've done it, it is great

 

[scott90gsx420]

Lol too all you noobs who keep posting this has been done to the car for quite some time.. Yes its harder to steer at slow speeds and parking spaces but it isnt that bad.. I like having more control too and while some hate hitting bumps and having to correct for it as the wheels tend to twist a bit more when hitting then then when having PS, i still like it more..

 

[fallenauthority]

Lol too all you noobs who keep posting this has been done to the car for quite some time.. Yes its harder to steer at slow speeds and parking spaces but it isnt that bad.. I like having more control too and while some hate hitting bumps and having to correct for it as the wheels tend to twist a bit more when hitting then then when having PS, i still like it more..

Did you actually de-power it? Or did you just snip and loop lines?

 

[scott90gsx420]

Did you actually de-power it? Or did you just snip and loop lines?

Looped the lines.... Although i didnt cut them everything is in tact incase i get annoyed with it or decide to ever let my chick drive it again.. Lol i was considering depowering the rack while the car was apart but ive decided thats extra time and i want the car back on the road...Lol ive become an alcoholic since my car broke hahaaha and i cant do it anymore.. Maby it will be another project later as im always working on the car doing something anyways but ya we will see..

 

[DSM1G90]

Why you need to keep the fluid inside to keep things lubed. Take it all out and the rack will eventually seize up on you.

Be the same if you ran straight water in your system: you remove the lube properties for the water pump and thing will seize.

Better do the manual changeout..pronto.

-DSM

 

[pazsion]

Glad you don't need the push up's and your inspectors dont have lame people makeing them be lame to their customers...no push ups? wimp! hehe xD Hard to believe that 2g's don't have a manual rack?

 

[DSM1G90]

..###, the 2G's became a more civilized car where tonnage of improvements were added -to make it more attractive to own. Besides, Chrysler was mainly out of the picture with Mitsu when the 2g's came out - even the base 2G's had PS ...

 

[91stocker]

..###, the 2G's became a more civilized car where tonnage of improvements were added -to make it more attractive to own. Besides, Chrysler was mainly out of the picture with Mitsu when the 2g's came out - even the base 2G's had PS ...

Its probably because they weigh 600lbs more haha. Damn those fat smiley 2gs

 

[DSM1G90]

...and prob why the 4G37 was eliminated - motor suddenly became too underpowered for all of that added "fat"!

"Dang"! a 3100lb 'sports compact'.. no wonder why they beefed up the 4G63 for more HP...

 

[scott90gsx420]

...and prob why the 4G37 was eliminated - motor suddenly became too underpowered for all of that added "fat"!

"Dang"! a 3100lb 'sports compact'.. no wonder why they beefed up the 4G63 for more HP...

Lol indeed.. I was going for a 2g after a bought my old gs-t but when i read how much more they weighed and that there rods are so skimpy i said screw that and picked up a 90 gsx that IMO looks just as good... the 1g's have potential to look great when in the right hands but most 1g dsm's that run around are crappy looking.. hell most 2g's are too mainly because they seem to attract the ricer's that want a big spoiler, big wheels and cool flashy lights..

 

[DSM1G90]

mainly because they seem to attract the ricer's that want a big spoiler, big wheels and cool flashy lights..

.... and, that's asking for trouble...

What I'm going to eventually do is get the Laser repainted since it has 22yr old paint on it and faded in areas real bad...but still think 1Ga's are the best looking .. due to the popups.

Hey, good luck as always! - DSM

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Anyone have pix of where you loop? Is it two looped lines on either side of the rack? Do i remove everything? I'd like to. My ps keeps cutttibg out and ive been searching all last night and all i see is talk about 1g 1.8 racks or depowering. I just wanna loop where ever people do it and delete everything else. Not looking to remove the rack Does anyone have pix or a good how to? I'm not too familier with any of the steering components. I'm not even sure what all lines are power steering related, except the pump it self and it's pulley. i guess i can trace back from the pump. My goal is to clean up the bay as much as possible. I also have ABS and dont wanna accidently rip out or cut a line relating to that until i can get the delete valve
For that also.
All help appreciated, theres too many off topic threads related to the line loop and delete of components. Ive see. People loop the resivour to the pump line but is rather just delete everything I'd thats the best way.
Sorry for bringing this back.